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post May 2 2018, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(carbonfibre @ May 2 2018, 05:18 AM)
Sorry another question.

Hey guys I’m gonna pick up some compound and polishes for my DIY Project soon. I have a car with oxidized paint, swirl marks and what not. I bought a rotary as well. Since I haven’t bought the compound and polishes.

What are your recommendations ?

My purchase list was :

Menzerna Heavy Cut Compound 400
Menzerna Medium Cut Polish 2800
Menzerna Super Finish Plus 3800
Menzerna Sealing Wax Protection

Do advice !
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What car are you working on? Still in original paint?

You will need some pads since you are working on rotary. Wool & foam
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post May 2 2018, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(voscar @ May 2 2018, 03:02 PM)
strange, i just applied "sealant" to my car 3 weeks ago. with frequent rain i'm not able to wash car until yesterday. it was so so so dirty with black strips like "tear drops" especially around door handle portion. why is it so? is it the sealant not doing proper job (I expecting rain droplets won't stick to paint surface thus is should be dry and clean even no need car wash).
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Did you clean the door jambs, inner handle and crevices?
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post May 3 2018, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(chaics85 @ May 3 2018, 05:06 PM)
went to a detailing dealer few weeks back and i ask for a paint correction work on my 3yr old jazz. he told me they will only able to do a 20% correction and their reason is doing a 100% swirl free correction will burn the clear coat of the vehicle and was told it is not recommended to do so.

my question is, is it true that correcting the paint will burn our clear coat or paint? i was actually quite surprise only 20% correction can be done.
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It depends on how much clear cost you have left or rather how bad the swirls is on your car.

Did he use any tools to inspect on the paint thickness?

Where are you based at? Come Lim peh help you check if you are near subang/pj.
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post May 3 2018, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(nazhif1 @ May 3 2018, 05:49 PM)
Hey there. Where did you find the SRP? Mine is running out and I can't find a seller that has them in stock.
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Last I heard Singapore distributor no longer bringing in.

If I am not wrong, Malaysia side also at the mercy of Singapore side.
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post May 4 2018, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(chaics85 @ May 4 2018, 05:05 PM)
nope. didnt even look at the car. Just quoted me a price and inform they are not able to make it swirl free.  just wanna ask, is the Honda taffeta white clear coated? or its a single stage paint?

i'm from sarawak, cant come out lim teh.  biggrin.gif

was thinking of correcting it myself. gonna get the Osren DA first and slowly learn on the techniques
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Usually is la modern cars.

Tahun berapa your car?
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post May 6 2018, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(amdhunter @ May 6 2018, 02:51 PM)
anyone using mjjc snow foam lance? thinking to buy from aliexpress.
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Mine rosak a bit Liao. The pin holding the lance is missing. Sob

Personal opinion, foam lance is just for fun. Wannapore soak, quite pointless
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post May 7 2018, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(amdhunter @ May 6 2018, 04:31 PM)
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how's the foam? ok? or so so ?
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It's proper foam lance. Thick thick
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post May 7 2018, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(ismailroslie @ May 7 2018, 04:28 PM)
Im using Threebond Glass Coating for my car.. The tepi jalan snow wash can go ah? Or have to go to the fancy2 carwash?
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Spend so much effort and resources to coat the car Dee wash yourself

no one else will take care of your car better than yourself.

Calar nanti

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post May 8 2018, 09:19 PM

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Mother of all detailing tomorrow.

Want to clean proton Malaysia tomorrow. Want to use PH balanced shampoo to clean it.

After that want to use DAP to polish the surface so no swirls will corrupt the proton Malaysia.

Maybe the dirty JeeP will be washed in sungai buloh for all the corrupted debris while securing 2.6bil km by his river bank.

Happy detailing! Make sure you all help to detail proton Malaysia for cleanliness ya.

This post has been edited by douglas_tong: May 8 2018, 09:22 PM
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post May 15 2018, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(amdhunter @ May 15 2018, 10:10 AM)
anyone using microfiber cutting disc/foam wool pad for compounding?
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Microfiber quite common for compounding.

Foamed wool also picking up in trend. Some videos , detailers are using foamed wool to compound too
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post May 21 2018, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(eehs @ May 21 2018, 10:47 AM)
HI all,

I have 4 rust spots like this on my car paint.
What should I do to cover it? Possible with touch up paint ex: http://www.ezytouchup.com/store/ ?

Thanks
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The rust looks so bad i suggest getting it sanded off at that particular area until no rust is spotted, proceed to respray it.

The fact that it can rust on panel means primer is gone. Factory primers are supposingly anti rust to begin with.

Rust will continue to grow inwardly, this is based on my experience with repainting workshops. Seen them using hammer and screwdriver (it's no screwdrive but like a big ass screwdriver) to completely knock off rusted parts and patch it with some metal wires and putty to re-seal it. No joke. usually the sign is that the surrounding area will budge and expand. that's when you know the inside has rusted.
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post May 21 2018, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(g88 @ May 21 2018, 01:32 PM)
don't scare him la...that dot of rust won't spread..you think 15 years ago paintwork and antirust paintwork meh..it just that someone the paint got chip off ..simple is wrap a very fine sandpaper e.g 1000-2000 gift (if you worry) to a cotton bud etc...slowly remove the rust and fill it back with some paint (just go to any car paintship ask bit for it, no one going to charge u...if can do few more layers after one another dried up....
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I disagree.

Liked you said, paint doesn't rust. Pigments don't rust. clear coat doesn't rust, primer doesn't rust. These are not metal particles.

The fact that it is rusted means it has penetrated into bare metal. Basic science.

You have been very misleading in many of your posts. Rebuking without facts and backing. Please contribute responsibly and not based on your opinion.
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post May 21 2018, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(g88 @ May 21 2018, 05:18 PM)
everyone have their own opinion, you can choose to ignore if it doesn't suit your flavor, what i shared also based on experience and tried out. Ya you may refer alot to youtube or forum info but bear in mine different region, climate, detailer product and mentality is different. e.g hard water vs soft water...

So appreciate you don't act like a dictator where everyone must believe your info and with all the link posted me its the only solution.  when you long enough in one hobby you would know what is best and more practical and economical way to maintain the hobby costing, undeniable 'newbie' that job would want to get their hands to the 'latest' or some premium product or solution.
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Half of your sentence doesn't even make logical sense.

I do youtube a lot, but I probably have more experience and insights when it comes to fundamentals of basic science, especially detailing.
Also this is not about cost-effectiveness or hobby. It's about you misinforming and misleading people to believe nonsensical claims, this has happened many times. And then there is your demeanor when it comes to disapproving people's reasoning without providing facts or solid intelligence. So don't deviate from the core issue I'm highlighting.

the difference between you and others is that you instead of sharing useful information on this forum, you are disowning everyone else just for the sake of disagreeing.

Where should I start? from your days in autoworld forum? too long a list.

Nobody asked anyone to believe what i said. Feel free to think that paint pigments will rust and coating will not have watermarks issue in our tropical weather. That's just you. It's not about flavor, it's about mentality.

I will no longer give a shit about your statement from here.
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post May 22 2018, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(#Victor @ May 21 2018, 06:19 PM)
Do u think it has significant impact on the detailing for car shampoo? Those import branded car shampoo really out of budget. Time wise would be once a week for washing and detailing.
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The most important part of an automotive shampoo is still based on its formulation. Unfortunately, no one would want to reveal their formulation.
There are other more economical shampoo brands you may look at:

Perma Glass
Osren
Turtle wax

I've personally used all 3 and find it that it does not strip wax. That's some indication of non existing solvent-based detergent formulation.
Haven't tried using litmus paper to check for pH level. In any case, pH balanced shampoo and one that does not strip wax over a couple of washes is considered good enough for me.
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post May 22 2018, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(amdhunter @ May 22 2018, 07:53 PM)
thanks for the suggestion sifu  notworthy.gif
wanted to clean my cushion,  hmm.gif

karcher SC2?
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Imo not worth investing la...hire someone to do it outright around 120-150 for sedan car.

Back then there is one guy who rented it also. Not sure still around or not.

The rest of the money, belanja us minum
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post May 23 2018, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(KnightSports @ May 23 2018, 07:22 PM)
Want to ask a question regarding the DA polisher orbit sizes. Is there any benefit to getting a bigger orbit size like 15mm compared to 8mm? It is just the coverage of working space only right?

Actually considering the DA polisher sold by osren

http://osren.com/product/tools-and-accesso...polisher--dap15

http://osren.com/product/tools-and-accesso...-polisher--dap8

Anyone tried it before?
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as the machine name suggest, the dual action has two "movements" of orbit + rotation.

Cutting comes from movement (mostly rotation) and thus the larger orbit has more cutting power compared to the 8mm orbit because the throw is larger. difference between those 2 brands machine i would say is around 10-15%

If you intend to stick to one machine only, i suggest getting the dap15+

if you already have a rotary, I would suggest going with the 8mm.
personal suggestion. Because the 8mm can finish down a soft sticky paint like honda black slightly easier than the 15mm orbit.
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post May 24 2018, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(KnightSports @ May 24 2018, 09:41 AM)
Thanks a lot for your feedback, i do have a Skil 9080 polisher already and was using the Meguairs DA attachment previously but it broke.

This is one of the reasons i am buying a new DA and the meguairs MT320 is just too expensive to buy compared to this. Double the pricing.
Understood, i just had the simple thought that it has to do with covering space faster than an 8mm. Didn't even thought it was a leverage factor.

Seems like the 8mm is the way to go for this.

I have been using Osren products for quite long, i previously had and still have their Perfect Fifty and Perfect Cut to deal with acid rain etchings from my previous car. Also have Meguairs ultimate compound and ultimate polish. A bit of overlapping in terms of products.

As i am getting a new car, i won't really be doing so much work on it and will most probably send it to Heng to get it detailed and glass coated this time around.

Just thought of buying the tools at the same time since it will be a one time investment that lasts a long time.

If you both don't mind, any thoughts on this brand Europa Hilt for a pressure washer?

https://www.lelong.com.my/europa-hilt-press...9-01-Sale-P.htm

The price seems a bit too cheap to be true.

I had two Karcher before this but it broke and costs too much to repair. I had a K.2450 before this and another cheaper one but both didn't last long. Was thinking to purchase one to snow foam the car from now on.
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I own an europahilt classic 150 (big ass wheels) and this is my 6th month owning it. I do like it. Europahilt is a direct rebrand of lavor and lavor is a reputable brand in italy. I would say my model is good, some design flaw on the hose reel but the quality of it is good.

I was considering between k4 and the europahilt (induction motor versions) and ultimately decided on europahilt despite it being bigger because karcher parts are expensive like hell and ownership price wise it is more affordable. If you want it to last, induction motor is the way to go. Plus, please prime your motor before switching it on. Just let the water flow at the tip of your pressure washer nozzle for 45 secs to a min to get rid of air bubbles in the motor or passage.

The thing about having an eye of detailing is much reliant on lightings. With proper lightings swirls are easy to spot.

This post has been edited by douglas_tong: May 24 2018, 12:02 PM
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post May 24 2018, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(amdhunter @ May 24 2018, 09:11 AM)
noted.
so can use osren multipurpose cleaner for interior/cushion?
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Osren fabric cleaner is more suitable. multi cleaner is actual quite a powerful cleaner. whereas the fabric cleaner wont discolor your seats and can be used on plastics and vinyls too.

I use it on my shirt collars too.
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post May 24 2018, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(KnightSports @ May 24 2018, 01:59 PM)
Thanks for the feedback. Yes, i read it was made in italy which got me interested but it sounds too cheap for the price of the unit which is why i had doubts and had to ask around as i could not find much information or review about it and one of the pages even led to a Malaysian registered page.

I don't think the Karcher induction motor units are as cheap as your classic 150. I remember it is close to 1k and above when i went to the karcher center in Tmn Megah operated by CT Hardware.

I do flow water with inlet water pressure via the lancet before i power up the pressure washer. But, i am just not sure why my unit always kaput and the most recent failure where my k2.450 started leaking oil during usage. I brought it to CT Hardware for diagnosis before the motor could self destruct again and where i suspect it was just a leaking seal but, it came back with a repair bill that i could not stand and therefore did not proceed with the repair. So, i ended up just ignoring it and planning to buy another one. CT says the parts are expensive, not their labor or markup.

Unfortunately, i can't have proper lighting at my house. I only have a long fluorescent tube at the car porch and that is all. Most of the time my car even have to back out a bit in order to have space to work and the light only ends up illuminating the hood at best.

So, i bought some of this to do closeup checks but even that i don't really see anything wrong to my eyes. Maybe i just don't have the high standards you guys have.

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in detailing, if it looks good to you, that's more than enough. No point taking interest in other people's interest.

My k2 use one year also no issue..hmm..do you use it at prolonged time? those are not meant to be operated more than 15 mins at once.
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post May 24 2018, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(mcchin @ May 24 2018, 04:45 PM)
Okay guys

Been 5 months owning a new car

Not exactly understand the detailing ways

Shampoo used is turtle wax zip wash
Wax used is turtle wax ice paste
3m clay bar many counterfeit products, pls exercise precaution
Some rainx type mirror hydrophobic liquid

Now my issue is that I live in an apartment
With a common car wash area, but a covered car park space

Today after seeing the Wax thread,
I almost jump the gun and buy some soft 99 carnauba, 12months fusso, and glaco along with tyres shine
Costing up to rm200

Then before pressing checkout I fortunately  Google the fusso, and seeing it is a sealant, they say it is best to polish the car before applying it

But my situation unable to really delve into the polishing
Only a biweekly wash +  maybe some elbow grease waxing it is indeed better to polish it before wax to remove below surface contaminants, and using clay would also means it will likely to mar the paint. Instead i would recommend opting for a spray wax given your circumstances

The carpark is covered but still exposed to the elements
My white civic most of the time will have grey water spot on the front and the rear

I am guessing these water spot could be lifted with the claybar but do I really need to polish before sealant? not necessarily. Etched waterspots you mihgt have to polish it, newly formed waterspots, AIO is good enough most of the time
Do I really need sealant or ice shine wax is enuff? any wax will do. the main, one of the difference between wax and sealant is the durability

Is the ceramic coating really worth it?
Seeing the front part does get rain on every time the skies open up?

Seeing the foam gun, is it better?
Now all I do is pour 4 caps of the shampoo into a bucket of water
Wash away and rinse in a second water bucket (sadly no grit protector, but make sure not to dip too deep into the bottom)
if you use 2 bucket system, you can do without the foam gun. Recommend to have at least 1 grit guard in rinse bucket.

Arrrggghhh...
Use to live in kampung house with a proper driveway and a garage to take my time with these things
Now, always looking over the shoulder, looking out for other ppl looking to wash car as well
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