Many articles that high dose vitamin C injected in your blood (called intravenous) can cure cancer in weeks.
One youtube clips shows a 2 times Nobel prize winner also made success on his patients.
if you google or youtube you will find many articles.
Vitamin C if taken by drinking alot, may cause stomach upset..But through blood stream it has less or no side effects.
Worst case was mild diahrea..
The amazing thing is it does not clash with chemotherapy. So if patient if afraid to stop chemo, there is no problem

see these links
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFyqa0Q5cJ0

Hospitals are forbidden from marketing this method as cancer treatment because they say it is illegal to patent vitamins.
But some say it is because Chemo & radio therapy companies hate Vitamin C becoz it is much cheaper.

The question is: anyone knows any hospital or clinic in Malaysia to give vitamin C in the veins ?
if yes, any idea on their address & cost ?

This post has been edited by Greazlog: Feb 24 2016, 03:44 PM

Get yourself vitamin C injectable from the net and bring to private clinic to ask for injection.

:disclaimer : if you die its non of my problem and this is not a proffessional medical advice.

Nonsense like this still exists , unbelievable . Natural selection at it's finest i guess .

High dose IV vitamin C therapy doesn't exactly ''cure'' cancer.

It will however, likely shrink the tumors, extend his lifespan, along with
improving his quality of life and reducing the toxic effects of chemotherapy.

In some cases though, the patient recovers fully.

http://www.canceractive.com/commonFiles/do...SE-VITAMINC.pdf


Hugh Riordan in his treatment center in Wichita, Kansas,
was one of the pioneers of this protocol.


https://riordanclinic.org/what-we-do/high-dose-iv-vitamin-c/

http://www.cancertutor.com/vitaminc_ivc/

http://intravenousvitaminc.blogspot.my/200...esearchers.html


http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ca...r-69948082.html




The protocol has been studied by the Koreans and Japanese.


High-Dose Vitamin C Promotes Regression of Multiple
Pulmonary Metastases Originating from Hepatocellular Carcinoma.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4541681/


=
High-dose Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid) Therapy in the
Treatment of Patients with Advanced Cancer.

http://ar.iiarjournals.org/content/29/3/809.long



High-Dose Intravenous Vitamin C Combined with Cytotoxic
Chemotherapy in Patients with Advanced Cancer:
A Phase I-II Clinical Trial.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4388666/



Intravenously administered vitamin C as
cancer therapy: three cases.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1405876/



Phase I clinical trial to evaluate the safety, tolerability,
and pharmacokinetics of high-dose intravenous ascorbic
acid in patients with advanced cancer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3691494/


You could ask the Burmese doctor, Dr Maung Ebrahim, if he
has this treatment. He practices at the Amcorp Mall.

http://www.academycmt.com/











This post has been edited by Tham: Feb 27 2016, 04:31 AM

Do your homework before making such ill-informed remarks.

I have no idea about that. Btw, does consumption of high dosage of oral vitamin C helps to increase vitamin C level in the blood?

Common sense will tell you that drinking 15 grams is light years
away from putting 100 grams directly into your blood.

A Phase I Trial of High-Dose Ascorbate
in Glioblastoma Multiforme.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01752491




Ascorbic acid: Chemistry, biology and the treatment of cancer ☆

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3608474/



Antiproliferative effect of ascorbic acid is associated with
the inhibition of genes necessary to cell cycle progression.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2634969/



High concentrations of L-ascorbic acid specifically inhibit the growth
of human leukemic cells via downregulation of HIF-1a transcription.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3633866/



Intravenous Vitamin C as Cancer Therapy.

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v07n03.shtml



Ascorbic acid derivatives as a new class of antiproliferative molecules.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23791877



Hugh Riordan's IV C Protocol.

I think I still have his original protocol which he faxed to me
some 20 years ago kept somewhere.

http://www.doctoryourself.com/RiordanIVC.pdf


The Riordan IVC Protocol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04cOSwZ43II



Riordan Clinic: Dosing IVC for Cancer Patients.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTW9x91RWnY



Riordan Clinic: IVC Case Studies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmr1qsRt8BE



Intravenous Vitamin C - The Riordan Protocal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjHjdc_tBuU



Vitamin C - Alternative Cancer
Treatment at Oasis of Hope Hospital.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU_l7KDA3aU



''How Vitamin C Fights Cancer. ''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PI_rKuQWiE



'' What Really Causes Cancer
(and What You Can Do to Prevent It). ''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyxHUO5MF6o




This post has been edited by Tham: Feb 29 2016, 05:35 AM

Hi there.

I think there needs to be some check and balance of information here.

There is no good evidence anywhere that Vit C will cure any cancer. Period.

The links provided are commercial or sponsored links and non-academic. Never use Youtube as scientific evidence.

Your NCBI links are to isolated case reports - equivalent to anecdotal reports, but scientifically documented - or in-vitro testing. Even the authors wouldn't draw hard conclusions. And there are only a handful of such case reports vs the thousands of patient studies and hard evidence of other medications that actually work.

It does however offer a basis to look into the role of IV Vit C in the treatment of cancer.

Also, The theory that doctors and hospitals are "hiding" this treatment due to pharma influence is completely nonsense... Any doctor or medical centre that can prove this kind of treatment will be a superstar overnight.

P/s: I'm not bringing this up to knock you or prevent people from looking into it. But there needs to be a proper perspective. There is very little hard evidence it does anything VS the very established treatment options that actually work.

This post has been edited by Py80: Feb 29 2016, 01:51 AM

You are very naive and extremely ill-informed.

How old are you ? 35 ?

Judging by how your write, it is evident you know little and
this is all very new to you.

IV C has been in use by integrated and alternative cancer centers
in the US, Tijuana, Switzerland and worldwide for over two decades.


Have you even corresponded with its pioneers like the late Hugh Riordan ?

Do you know how to use Medline and interpret studies ?

These are ''anecdoctal reports'', ''non-academic'', ''commercial links''
and ''very little hard evidence'' ?

Did you misplace your glasses or is your IQ below 10 ?

I'm quite sure you haven't bothered to read them (or rather,
don't have the IQ to understand them, so you ''conveniently''
brused them aside).


Phase I clinical trial to evaluate the safety, tolerability, and
pharmacokinetics of high-dose intravenous ascorbic acid in
patients with advanced cancer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3691494/



High-Dose Intravenous Vitamin C Combined with Cytotoxic
Chemotherapy in Patients with Advanced Cancer:
A Phase I-II Clinical Trial

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4388666/


Antiproliferative Effect of Ascorbic Acid Is Associated with
the Inhibition of Genes Necessary to Cell Cycle Progression.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2634969/


Ascorbic acid: Chemistry, biology and the treatment of cancer☆

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3608474/



Ascorbic acid derivatives as a new class of antiproliferative molecules.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23791877



A study of IV C in glioblastoma is ongoing and you call it ''nonsense'' ?


A Phase I Trial of High-Dose Ascorbate in Glioblastoma Multiforme.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01752491



Who is talking nonsense here - you ?


Have you even finished kindergarten ? If not, go back there
before making a fool of yourself in internet forums.


Without using Wikipedia or Google, do you even know
what cAMP and mTOR is ?

Do you know even know what glioblastomas are ?


Youtube is used not only by commercial enterprises, it is also a
media of communication by many scientific organizations in the
form of video presentations to the public.

Those were by Hugh Riordan's center in Wichita, Kansas.



Let me ask you this :

One fateful day, struck by terminal cancer, lying in bed spending
spending your final hours, body ravaged by chemotherapy, hair all
gone, retching in vomit and nausea, out of options, clutching at straws :

Might the thought of intravenous vitamin C run briefly through
your foggy mind then ?

With your mindset, and having the impression that you have been well
cared for by ''very established treatment options that acually work '',
one would expect not.


( P.S. Cyclophosphamide, around since the end of WW2 and
still in use as one of the first-line chemotherapy regimens for
breast cancer like 4AC, is derived from nitrogen mustard.

Nitrogen mustard = Mustard gas = World War 1 poison gas

So are BCNU (carmustine) and CCNU (lomustine), still in use
for glioblastomas, leukemias and lymphomas. )


So goes the saying :

'' If a bullock refuses to drink water,
it is impossible to force its head down. ''









This post has been edited by Tham: Feb 29 2016, 06:52 AM

Hi , Good morning to you too.

I'm not here to convince you not to use your Vit C. I'm here to add balance to your statement that it CURES cancer. People who suffer from cancer need to have a balanced opinion thats all.

I am not here to engage in an internet argument with you either. Just raising awareness.

I am well versed with pubmed and medical research. I myself have published in good journals and have worked in a tertiary cancer centres abroad during my training years... so i know a little bit about what i am talking about.

My bottom line for whoever is reading this, please seek proper medical advice rather than getting internet advice.

There may be a role of Vit C in cancer treatment, but it has yet to be defined.

My colleagues and I have successfully treated more cancers than any vitamin C or pineapples and ginger ( yes, some say it cures liver cancer... which is my field.. and i can tell you now it doesn't)

Take care.

Did you read any part where I stated it ''CURES'' cancer ?

Can you point that out ?


I'm not as amateur as to use the term ''cures''.

''Cures'' is a term used by the uninformed on an extremely complex,
disease like cancer with countless genetic mutations as its main
etiology, particularly p53.

In any case, since when did mainstream medicine ''cure'' any deepseated,
chronic, complex disorder, particularly autoimmune ones, apart from
infections subsceptible to antibiotics and conditions amenable by surgery ?

99 percent of the time, when you pick up a medical textbook, chapter
after chapter, they talk about '' Management of ...... ''.

If you had bothered to read my first post in reply to the topic starter
(which presumably again, you hadn't) :


Oh, and no wonder.

When you mentioned ''established treatment options'', I had
half-expected you to be an oncologist or surgeon.

Before dismissing individual case reports on Medline as ''nonsense''
and looking up to double-blind studies as the ''gold standard'' or
''gospel truth'', consider this :

The patient or study participant throws away the drug, herb,
supplement or placebo, and informs the doctor or researcher
that he had taken it diligently as instructed.

I'm sure you know the consequences.


Even a five-year old would have noted that glaring, fundamental
baseline flaw right from the start.

Comes as no surprise why you find conflicting results on Medline
on the same drug, supplement or herb time and again.

Oh dear, my bad. I missed your statement on the cure bit.

You seem rather aggressive in your ideology. But anyway, you at least have a better approach to scientific data.

I don't think this is the platform to discuss medical journals. Theres literally tonnes of papers claiming all sorts. Again, I'm not saying your Vit C isn't true. But clearly there's lack of substantial evidence hence its lack of popularity in mainstream treatments.

I think we'll just put this to rest.


Thanks for the discussion though.


P/S: no I'm not an oncologist. I'm a consultant gastroenterologist and hepatologist at a University, which is why i mention liver cancers. We deal with them...and some endoscopically resectable GI cancers. But no one in any of the teaching centres I've been in uses Vit C as part of mainstream therapy hence my curiosity.

BTW, If you do a true double blind control study.. the patient won't know what he is taking anyway. Both arms are blinded to what they are taking, so assuming some of your patients are throwing drugs away, it could be either the drug or placebo, therefore should be statistically insignificant.

Have you conducted a clinical study ? I have. The amount of clinical control and statistical analysis is intense. We control for all these factors. which is why only treatments with genuinely positive results will make it through.

and then it is subject to study replication by other centers around the world before it becomes an accepted scientific fact.

This post has been edited by Py80: Feb 29 2016, 10:55 AM

@THAM: your replies are much appreciated and helpful. Thanks God bless you.

Yes, I am well aware of what a double-blind study entails. I knew about
its methodology decades ago.

It's just a fancy sophisticated-sounding name - most people don't realize
that trying to test whether a drug, herb or supplement is effective by giving
half the other participants an inert substance is an ill-thought, extremely crude,
oversimplified and downright idiotic method.

Even in the case of a real medication - part of its efficacy in a patient
will definitely be attrributed to the so-called placebo effect. The mind-body
connection is a powerful one and is the basis in fact why hypnosis works.

In other words - you can never take away the healing power of the mind
- whether medication or placebo.



Our body's own healing abilities, particularly its immune system, does
not work only on the purely physical plane.


The mind-body connection is highly SUBJECTIVE, powerful and
complex - our brain and body's other cells, on external triggers such
as autosuggestion, hypnosis or Reiki, not merely drugs, can also
secrete biochemicals and neurotransmitters, which in turn trigger off
or control the many other biochemical pathways in your body,
including that of our cellular immunity.

Tell me, which two human beings - a very complex organism physically,
mentally and spiritually - are identical, even identical twins ?

How is a ''scientific study'' going to analyze and account for that ?


Alterations in the Th1/Th2 balance in breast cancer patients
using reflexology and scalp massage.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/23136601/


And throwing drugs/placebo away is ''statistically insignificant'' ?

Hi Tham,

It's actually quite good to have a discussion with you. Provided we stay civil and not call each other 11 year olds with kindergarten education.. haha

Anyway, with no offense, I think you misunderstand how a double blinded trial works.

Both patient and investigator don't know whether the patient is receiving the placebo or the actual drug. It is the only way to control to placebo effect. Without testing drugs this way, there is no way to know if your drug/treatment is effective.. then we will be back to age of snake oil and witch craft... basically you can claim anything works without needing to prove it.


However, we are talking about proper diseases here such as cancer. And claiming that clinical trials are useless and idiotic means you don't buy into one of the founding principles of modern medicine - Evidence based medicine.

To put into perspective, some traditional medicines have been around for thousands of years... yet life expectancy has nearly doubled in the last 100 years only with the advent of modern medicine.

you are right, placebo effect is significant , especially in functional disorders. Which is why you must exclude it, otherwise we'd be treating patients for no reason when all they need is a sugar pill. I use a mild placebo with reassurance sometimes for cases which i know are psychological, and presto , they feel better.






in a double blinded study it can be controlled for. Example, If both arms have a 15% non compliance rate and they are blinded to the placebo / drug, then statistically it doesn't matter. The odds of placebo dropouts and actual drug dropouts will be the same, assuming your sample is big enough and evenly matched. Doing a good trial is not easy. Many trials are rejected from Q1 journals because they have too much bias. If you want to publish in low ranking journals then they tend to be less fastidious.


Ultimately, despite all these complementary medicines, when proverbial shit hits the fan, and they come down with a severe illness they still end up coming to major hospitals seeking treatment.


Anyway, Tham, i respect your passion for Vit C and its been great having this discussion. I will certain keep my eye out on this subject and in the event I get asked this by anyone else at least I will have some insight into it.

I only came to add an opinion, not to argue or convince anyone. I don't have time to respond anymore, but if you would like we can discuss in private someday.

I am even more impressed with this discussion. THAM you provided quite a substance. If I may add that according to a discussion with an inside, many of supplements are in a non absorbable form, they go into our body and go out simply. If one can find the right supplement, he/she would be lucky..simply because vast amount of what is in the market is useless or very poor use. It is a multiBillion industry where they hire celebrities and singers to promote.

Not true - many supplements are in an absorbable form, which is
why you need to use the right form - in magnesium, for example.

That's why you need to read up more on it and take part in forums
such as that of the Life Extension Foundation.

Most don't require ''promotion by celebrities'', but are known by
those well-informed ones to be useful, and many are backed by
studies too.

There are lots of cancer-fighting supplements, foods, herbs, techniques
and common drugs which you can get at your nearby pharmacy, not
only IV C.

Obviously not - one would not expect the medical faculty of MU
to teach you to give supplements for diseases (other than deficiency
conditions), let alone cancer, in your MBBS.


That this is very new to an MD is not at all surprising - that
is ALWAYS how they react, most with derision and disbelief,
typically in Twitter and Quora.

The same goes for other fields of healing like homeopathy.


That was why from the way you answered in your initial post,
I had the inkling that you were a doctor.

In any case, how many hours of lectures on nutrition/vitamins
did you have in the entire five years of your baseline MBBS ?


IV C is not exactly a ''passion'' for me - it is just one of the many
options for cancer and other diseases that I know of, not just
''cut, burn and poison''.


Vitamins are also not patentable and there's nothing there
for the pharmaceutical giants.

Would you expect Genentech to be researching vitamin C
instead of coming out with imatinib (Gleevec) ?

I'm sure you know how much those tyrosine kinase inhibitors
and monoclonal antibodies cost - some in the region of
several hundred dollars per TABLET, from what I know.

Even simple chemotherapy using an antique drug like bleomycin
in 1996 in Tung Shin Hospital cost this lung adenocarcinoma
woman from an associated Ipoh office of our company some
$ 7,000 per session.


Can you imagine the headline ?

'' Subang Jaya Medical Centre Oncologist Uses Intravenous
Vitamin C to Treat Stage 4 Cancer Patients. ''


Which is likely going to make SJMC laughing stock.





This post has been edited by Tham: Mar 2 2016, 10:06 AM