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lex11
post Mar 20 2016, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(Tham @ Mar 18 2016, 12:14 AM)
Apart from 'HAHA'', so what do you know about cancer that
makes you ''educated'' and qualified to post here ?

Tell me, without referring to Google or Wikipedia, what you
know about the following :
p53
p21
p27
RAS
miRNAs
mTOR
Akt
PI3K
Bax
Bcl-2
Caspase 3
Caspase 9
PPARGamma
NFKappaB
IL-1beta
IL-2
IL-6
IL-10
TNF-alpha
If you can't (and I am quite confident of that), that would
make you nothing more than a typical troll.

As Marina Mahathir emphasized :

'' Hiding behind self-proclaimed piety, they shout their
indignation with name-calling, insults and insinuations.

Tell us all, have you witnessed this miracle cure took effect, met the people who undergo this treatment and actually have first hand experience to vouch for this? You can quote God for all I care, you're still an uneducated snob who thinks you know better than the rest of us. I pity you for being so foolish.

You have to pity the Malaysian troll. What poor unfulfilled lives
do they lead that the only joy they can get has to come from
making someone else miserable?

How boring are their lives that someone else’s hard-earned
achievement is taken as an offence to their own suspect morals ?
''

http://musingwithmarinamahathir.blogspot.m...-out-there.html
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SUSTham
post Mar 20 2016, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(lex11 @ Mar 20 2016, 04:17 AM)
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Very young, aren't you ?

Never heard of orthomolecular medicine ?

By calling me silly names again, you've just shot yourself in the own foot
- amply demonstrating what Marina Mahathir described about your kind.

Can't even explain a SINGLE one of the genes that I put forward to you ?


Quite apparent that you haven't gone thru my posts or any other
part of the forum - the same ignorance as that doctor, @Py80.

Whoever said anything about a ''miracle cure'' ?

It's typically your ill-informed, ignorant young type who tends to
use the term ''cure'' when browsing around internet forums on
cancer threads.

You know only two terms in cancer - ''cure'' or death.

It's quite obvious, jumping into this forum from out of the blue,
that you know NOTHING about cancer, apart from making fun
of posts and calling derogatory names.


Why should I even need to bother ''proving'' IV C protocols to
a vagabond idiot hanging around internet cafes who's never
heard of them in his life, apart from the 100 mg C tablets which
he buys at sundry stores ?


If you don't accept it or believe in it, that's your own funeral.


Haven't even read a single one of the studies I put out, showing clearly
the results they achieved or rather, don't have the IQ to understand
any of them ?

If you want further confirmation on ''results'', contact Dr Steve Yap,
Dr Maung Ebrahim or any of the others who are listed above.


But as Marina Mahathir said about your kind, you won't ever do anything
apart from comfortably sitting at your desk, plonking nonsense on the
keyboard, gleefully and childishly poking fun at others in forums everywhere,
the internet being your playground and haven for releasing your childhood
insecurities behind the veil of anonymity, something you can't ever hope
to achieve in real life.


I put forward this information to share with anyone in this forum who
has the BRAINS to consider it.

Don't you think you are being extremely foolish and a complete idiot
by making derisive and skeptical remarks at it ?

What do you hope to achieve ?

Who's the real loser here ?


So what are you going to do when, years later, lying in bed, struck by
terminal cancer, spending your final days, body ravaged by chemotherapy,
out of options, desperately clutching at straws ?


Still laugh at intravenous vitamin C then ?


Will you still, time running out then and out of breath, demand for
''evidence'' of people being ''cured'' by this established therapy before
deciding whether to try it out ?


Enough time wasted on a clown hanging around internet cafes.





This post has been edited by Tham: Mar 20 2016, 04:23 PM
bettachick
post Mar 20 2016, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(Tham @ Mar 18 2016, 12:14 AM)
Apart from 'HAHA'', so what do you know about cancer that
makes you ''educated'' and qualified to post here ?

Tell me, without referring to Google or Wikipedia, what you
know about the following :
p53
p21
p27
RAS
miRNAs
mTOR
Akt
PI3K
Bax
Bcl-2
Caspase 3
Caspase 9
PPARGamma
NFKappaB
IL-1beta
IL-2
IL-6
IL-10
TNF-alpha
If you can't (and I am quite confident of that), that would
make you nothing more than a typical troll.

As Marina Mahathir emphasized :

'' Hiding behind self-proclaimed piety, they shout their
indignation with name-calling, insults and insinuations.

You have to pity the Malaysian troll. What poor unfulfilled lives
do they lead that the only joy they can get has to come from
making someone else miserable?

How boring are their lives that someone else’s hard-earned
achievement is taken as an offence to their own suspect morals ?
''

http://musingwithmarinamahathir.blogspot.m...-out-there.html
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p53
p21
p27
RAS
mTOR
Akt
PI3K
Bax
Bcl-2
Caspase 3
Caspase 9
Those are kinase(ends with -ASE) that activate/deactivate downstream signalling for mitosis/growth of cells. The rest like inteleukins are related to the regulation of our immune system. I remembered I had a hard time memorising the signalling pathways, especially they are cross-related and complex. rclxub.gif

I have doubts over "Vitamin C can cure Cancer" statement.

I would suggest to seek professional to get a better understanding of your cancer and what is the root cause. Is the cancer caused by genetic?Which protein is dysfunction? Fix the root cause (via drug/genetic therapy).

Chemotherapy is a way to control the number of cancers cell but only for SHORT TERM.



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SUSTham
post Mar 20 2016, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(bettachick @ Mar 20 2016, 08:56 AM)


I have doubts over "Vitamin C can cure Cancer" statement.

I would suggest to seek professional to get a better understanding of your cancer and what is the root cause. Is the cancer caused by genetic?Which protein is dysfunction? Fix the root cause (via drug/genetic therapy).

Chemotherapy is a way to control the number of cancers cell but only for SHORT TERM.
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In typically aggressive cancers like small cell long cancer,
they will relapse rapidly, usually within two to three months,
after a good initial response to chemotherapy.


That was what happened to my friend Bill from Maine, USA here,
six years ago.

The people in this forum are mostly life extensionists - they are all
familiar with intravenous vitamin C in cancer.

http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/23038...ighting-cancer/

He tried unsuccessfully for many months for someone to give him
intravenous vitamin C. I'm not sure what exactly happened, but one
reason was he lived in a very isolated place, and he was already in
bad shape.

With an extensive protocol of oral supplements, which included a 500 mg
resveratrol lozenge every day (he couldn't really swallow), he managed
to make it to almost two years.

He died in May 2009. Note that his thread was over 3,000 posts long,
some of them mine.

He is an advocate of cryogenics. His body is currently cryopreserved.


The ''gold standard'' for SCLC has been cisplatin plus etoposide
in the West for the past forty years.

The Japanese use cisplatin plus irinotecan, because irinotecan
seems to work better in Asians.


This is a very lucky long term survivor.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18787355/



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post Mar 20 2016, 08:01 PM

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Many people do not realize Steve Jobs died because he followed
Dean Ornish's macrobiotic high carbohydrate, low fat diet.


'' Instead of following a low-carb diet, Mr. Jobs trusted his health to the
Dean Ornish, high-carb, low-fat, macrobiotic, pseudo-vegan diet. I’ve
already discussed why this diet was terrible for treating cancer, but some
of the readers were unconvinced. ''


https://www.bulletproofexec.com/low-carb-pa...-to-steve-jobs/



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post Mar 28 2016, 03:46 AM

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Fully agreed with THAM. But for those who lost alot of weight bcoz of chemo or Cancer itself, cutting carbs is slow death because they will get weaker to survive even if they take good alternative treatments...So how to make them stronger without carbs.?
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post Mar 28 2016, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(Greazlog @ Mar 28 2016, 03:46 AM)
Fully agreed with THAM. But for those who lost alot of weight bcoz of chemo or Cancer itself, cutting carbs is slow death because they will get weaker to survive even if they take good alternative treatments...So how to make them stronger without carbs.?
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Ketogenic diet + lots of good green powder like spirulina and cholrella (nourish back the body). Can use that to replace water. One day van easily take 20g of powder if one were to go down that path.

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post Mar 28 2016, 09:55 AM

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Is anyone saying that these guys' diet recommendations to prevent cancer are wrong?

Looks predominantly carb based to me. Though high in fiber and water content.

PCRM - Foods for Cancer Prevention

PCRM - Researchers Unveil Six Dietary Guidelines for Cancer Prevention

WCRF - Our Cancer Prevention Recommendations


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QUOTE(ripplezone @ Mar 28 2016, 09:55 AM)
Is anyone saying that these guys' diet recommendations to prevent cancer are wrong?

Looks predominantly carb based to me. Though high in fiber and water content.

PCRM - Foods for Cancer Prevention

PCRM - Researchers Unveil Six Dietary Guidelines for Cancer Prevention

WCRF - Our Cancer Prevention Recommendations
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For the first one PCRM, I agree fully. Most meat are tainted with growth hormone and God knows what else. Process food is also bad. That's why we should eat more unprocessed food. Fruits and veges in raw form, less meat ball, burger, fast food. Plain carbs (potatoes, rice, mee) are very different from complex carbs (oats, bran, psyllium husk)

Depends on what kind of food. Too much fried food is bad as it will increase the omega 6 content in the body. Omega 6 is pro-inflammatory and as oil accumulate, they accumulate toxin as well leading to cellular damage. That's just omega 6. We haven't touch about trans fat found in peanut butter, margarine (process food) However we should not be afraid of oil. There are good oil like extra Virgin olive oil (don't ever heat this oil), Virgin coconut oil, fish oil. Without oil, cancer fighting substance like beta-carotene, curcumin cannot be absorbed into the body.

There are ways to prevent cancer like taking cancer fighting food every day. Turmeric, carrot, broccoli, green tea, garlic, spirulina, cholrella, tomatoes, capsicum Increase those food, cut down on process food.

Food such as Mediterranean diet is considered one of the world healthiest food.

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post Mar 28 2016, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 28 2016, 10:05 AM)
For the first one PCRM, I agree fully. Most meat are tainted with growth hormone and God knows what else. Process food is also bad. That's why we should eat more unprocessed food. Fruits and veges in raw form, less meat ball, burger, fast food. Plain carbs (potatoes, rice, mee) are very different from complex carbs (oats, bran, psyllium husk)

Depends on what kind of food. Too much fried food is bad as it will increase the omega 6 content in the body. Omega 6 is pro-inflammatory and as oil accumulate, they accumulate toxin as well leading to cellular damage. That's just omega 6. We haven't touch about trans fat found in peanut butter, margarine (process food) However we should not be afraid of oil. There are good oil like extra Virgin olive oil (don't ever heat this oil), Virgin coconut oil, fish oil. Without oil, cancer fighting substance like beta-carotene, curcumin cannot be absorbed into the body.

There are ways to prevent cancer like taking cancer fighting food every day. Turmeric, carrot, broccoli, green tea, garlic, spirulina, cholrella, tomatoes, capsicum Increase those food, cut down on process food.

Food such as Mediterranean diet is considered one of the world healthiest food.
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White potatoes are some of the best foods. One of the best foods for helping to lose weight, they're similar to sweet potatoes.

The key here, even for the Mediterranean diet, is to focus on a wide variety of whole, unprocessed foods, which may include potatoes.

Lots of greens, plants, fruits, legumes. Then comes a smaller amount of processed items like traditionally baked breads.

Some consumption, though minimal, meat and diary.

Also, Mediterranean diet doesn't exactly mean oils are very healthy and people should consume unlimited amounts. It is just that the combination of exercise, plenty of plants, large variety, moderate amount of healthful oils, minimal dairy and meat, and strong social relationships all come into play to create a healthy body.

In the PERIMED study, they used slightly less than 3 Tbsp of olive oil in a day.

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I think this patient may have been treated with IV C by Steve Yap
at his clinic here in Ampang.


Man claims ‘nutritional therapy’ key to his recovery from cancer.

http://www.theborneopost.com/2011/03/01/ma...ry-from-cancer/





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post Mar 8 2020, 06:38 AM

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QUOTE(Tham @ Jul 14 2018, 05:54 PM)
I think this patient may have been treated with IV C by Steve Yap
at his clinic here in Ampang.
Man claims ‘nutritional therapy’ key to his recovery from cancer.

http://www.theborneopost.com/2011/03/01/ma...ry-from-cancer/
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Hi Tham,

I'm interested with IV Vitamin C, wonder if there's any doctor where I can find ?
I did try to search Steve Yap, but can't really get good info online on him having this vitamin C therapy.

Thanks.


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post Apr 4 2020, 02:34 PM

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Dear Ts, like you I am also researching for something that cures cancer.

Before anyone tells me
1. don't be an idiot and trust western medicine
2. if there is an alternative cure for cancer I can tell you hospitals will rush to provide it and become a superstar overnight bla bla
3. I heard maggi mee cures cancer

Here's my reply
1. Tried most, didn't work, got worse instead
2. How much do you think hospitals can charge you for IV vitamin C if it is indeed a cure? RM50? Do you know how much hospitals charge you for chemo? Do you know how many people are employed by the cancer industry? Do you know how much money is made every year from cancer?
3. The alternative cures that keep coming up aren't common everyday food you find every where. If that is the case then there will not be cancer in 1/3 of males.

So now TS back to you. I found out about apricot seeds and B17. Google about it. I bought the book as well. Now I am not sure about it because of the said cyanide poisoning. In fact I just opened a thread to ask if anyone has tried it and cured their cancer.

I hope this is helpful. Vitamin C IV I heard as well but it didn't give me as strong impression as B17. Do share if you find anything interesting.
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QUOTE(aweq @ Apr 1 2020, 02:38 PM)
I don't think you can cure cancer with vitamins, but vitamins are really good for you
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Agree... No articles say but can cure cancer.
Consume more vit. for a healthy body, yes
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no, vit c cant cure any cancer
too much of it in your body, it will just be peed out in your urine
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