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pehkay
post Mar 8 2016, 07:41 AM

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QUOTE(shioks @ Mar 7 2016, 10:15 PM)
Is John the Baptist a prophet or only a human messenger?
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sweat.gif A prophet is not human?

When they came to ask John the Baptist, he told them clearly, "I am not the Christ" (v. 20). They then asked, "What then? Are you Elijah?" He said, "I am not." They asked again, "Are you the Prophet?" John answered, "No" (v. 21). Then they became confused and asked, "Who are you?" (v. 22). He said, "I am a voice of one crying in the wilderness, ‘Make straight the way of the Lord!’ as Isaiah the prophet said" (v. 23). John the Baptist acknowledged that he was only the voice that Isaiah had prophesied would come and cry out in the wilderness (Isa. 40:3). He said that he was only a voice crying in the wilderness, "Make straight the way of the Lord." Then they asked, "Why then are you baptizing if you are not the Christ nor Elijah nor the Prophet?" (John 1:25). John answered them, "I baptize in water; but among you stands One whom you do not know" (v. 26). John’s word was a recommendation of Christ, but they did not recognize Christ or even understand John’s word.

His ministry is to preach the baptism of repentance to prepare men's heart to receive Christ and usher then to Christ. He is like a Forerunner or Recommender.

The ministry of John the Baptist was outside both religion and culture. When John was born, in Jerusalem there were two main things—Hebrew religion and Greco-Roman culture. John, however, did not stay in Jerusalem where his parents undoubtedly lived. He left Jerusalem and went out to the wilderness where there was neither religion nor culture, but where everything was natural. John ministered there in the wilderness bringing others to God and introducing the King, the One who represents God, to them. This was a strong indication that, during John’s time, the age was changed from the old dispensation to the new dispensation, from the dispensation of shadows and figures to the dispensation of reality. Those priests who wore the priestly robes, ate the priestly food, and stayed in the priestly building burning the incense and carrying out the priestly functions never brought anyone to God. But this “wild,” unreligious, uncultured John brought hundreds to Him. And he also introduced the King to them. This King was the One who brought God to repentant people.



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QUOTE(pehkay @ Mar 8 2016, 07:41 AM)
sweat.gif A prophet is not human?

When they came to ask John the Baptist, he told them clearly, "I am not the Christ" (v. 20). They then asked, "What then? Are you Elijah?" He said, "I am not." They asked again, "Are you the Prophet?" John answered, "No" (v. 21). Then they became confused and asked, "Who are you?" (v. 22). He said, "I am a voice of one crying in the wilderness, ‘Make straight the way of the Lord!’ as Isaiah the prophet said" (v. 23). John the Baptist acknowledged that he was only the voice that Isaiah had prophesied would come and cry out in the wilderness (Isa. 40:3). He said that he was only a voice crying in the wilderness, "Make straight the way of the Lord." Then they asked, "Why then are you baptizing if you are not the Christ nor Elijah nor the Prophet?" (John 1:25). John answered them, "I baptize in water; but among you stands One whom you do not know" (v. 26). John’s word was a recommendation of Christ, but they did not recognize Christ or even understand John’s word.

His ministry is to preach the baptism of repentance to prepare men's heart to receive Christ and usher then to Christ. He is like a Forerunner or Recommender.

The ministry of John the Baptist was outside both religion and culture. When John was born, in Jerusalem there were two main things—Hebrew religion and Greco-Roman culture. John, however, did not stay in Jerusalem where his parents undoubtedly lived. He left Jerusalem and went out to the wilderness where there was neither religion nor culture, but where everything was natural. John ministered there in the wilderness bringing others to God and introducing the King, the One who represents God, to them. This was a strong indication that, during John’s time, the age was changed from the old dispensation to the new dispensation, from the dispensation of shadows and figures to the dispensation of reality. Those priests who wore the priestly robes, ate the priestly food, and stayed in the priestly building burning the incense and carrying out the priestly functions never brought anyone to God. But this “wild,” unreligious, uncultured John brought hundreds to Him. And he also introduced the King to them. This King was the One who brought God to repentant people.
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that's what my understanding is also. but i was wrong in one of the questions i answered:

True or False: John the Baptist was not a prophet from God, but a normal human religious leader.

i picked "True" but I guessed incorrect as he is not "a normal human religious leader". bangwall.gif
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post Mar 8 2016, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(Dollores @ Mar 7 2016, 10:04 PM)
Hello!

I just know about this group.
Good to have a Christian Fellowship group here as I was just baptized 2 years ago, so I'm pretty new in all this, and I think I can know more info about Christianity besides from my church..

I got some basic bible study before, but I still don't understand many things..

I have this question,
does a Christian supposed to be rich or blessed financially?

Why i asked this is because my family are new Christians, we just baptized about 3 years ago, while I'm the latest one. We have been going to church ever since we have the freedom to choose our religion since our father passed away.

And my family all like this particular church where their teaching is that "the more you give, the more you'll receive"
So they give a lot to this church and then they did get the impact right away, example few days later they get bonus salary la, or big order la...

But I join this church that teaches the word of God, and how to be inspired by it. I understand many things about our Lord and I feel closer to Him, therefore, when there are people who doubted my religion, I cn convince them a bit from the bible verses that I studied n understood.

So the problem is, even though I learn bible and be inspired by it, I am not as "blessed" as my family.
Instead, I got so many trouble, financial crisis, my grades are the same..

And that makes me wondering, are Christian supposed to be financially blessed? if so, did I do something bad? was my donation to the church insufficient?

I'm so confused here, and I'm looking forward to fellow members here's insight..
thank you!
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Hi, You are blessed to be accepted by God and we are thankful that you have been baptized.

Are you familiar with this verse?

Matthew 6:31–33:
Therefore do not worry, saying, “What shall we eat?” or “What shall we drink?” or “What shall we wear?” For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.

What it means is that, Surrender all your needs, even your troubles to God. He will provide a way out and you will walk in it.

The Life of the New Covenant is a life of Faith, not by the Law. What this means is that you live believing in God Each day* not by what you have done and hence your reliance on it.
Don't live legalistic meaning because you have done so and so, therefore you will get this result or that result.

*Live believing that God loves you and will provide and meet all your needs.

As Christians we will have our challenges in life because God the Father wants to shape us and the devil wants to destroy us. I hope I didn't just pop this surprise. The moment we become children of God, We just sign up for the devil to become our great enemy and challenge in life. With that said, also don't get intimidated because you have God in your life, the Devil is more afraid that you'll discover wonderful and powerful truth (Via word of God..Bible) that can dethrone his hold and schemes against your life.

Just because you have troubles does not mean you have done something wrong or God is punishing you. Have a right perspective of Life. Many times it's the devil that's always bringing in problems but here is where you have the opportunity to exercise the spiritual gifts and authority given to you in Jesus to make things right.

It will be something new and unfamiliar but Jesus will strengthen you as long as you keep your eyes on Him.

God Bless.

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post Mar 8 2016, 02:08 PM

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post Mar 8 2016, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(Dollores @ Mar 7 2016, 10:04 PM)
Hello!

I just know about this group.
Good to have a Christian Fellowship group here as I was just baptized 2 years ago, so I'm pretty new in all this, and I think I can know more info about Christianity besides from my church..

I got some basic bible study before, but I still don't understand many things..

I have this question,
does a Christian supposed to be rich or blessed financially?

Why i asked this is because my family are new Christians, we just baptized about 3 years ago, while I'm the latest one. We have been going to church ever since we have the freedom to choose our religion since our father passed away.

And my family all like this particular church where their teaching is that "the more you give, the more you'll receive"
So they give a lot to this church and then they did get the impact right away, example few days later they get bonus salary la, or big order la...

But I join this church that teaches the word of God, and how to be inspired by it. I understand many things about our Lord and I feel closer to Him, therefore, when there are people who doubted my religion, I cn convince them a bit from the bible verses that I studied n understood.

So the problem is, even though I learn bible and be inspired by it, I am not as "blessed" as my family.
Instead, I got so many trouble, financial crisis, my grades are the same..

And that makes me wondering, are Christian supposed to be financially blessed? if so, did I do something bad? was my donation to the church insufficient?

I'm so confused here, and I'm looking forward to fellow members here's insight..
thank you!
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Firstly, congratulation on accepting and believing in Christ.

I feel compel to try to answer to your queries and dispel some of the myth that some people had about being a christian in a more 'down-to-earth' manner.

does a Christian supposed to be rich or blessed financially?

The answer is NOT necessarily. Generally, lots of people sees Christians today (locally) seems to be very well off compare to others (in urban area). You see them going to churches and contributed to the growth of the church financially as well as in assets i.e. bigger church. Most, but not all Christian are well off. This can be attributed to people are being more educated and being closer to God, helps built up their confident in doing things/carrying out their daily work. This could be a contributing factor towards their financial well being. God does not promise you richness financially or more than what you actually 'need' rather than 'want'. Obviously, if you are blessed to be well of than the other, thanks God for that but if you don't, do not be despair though.

Most of the time, God answer your prayer in a way you least expected. You may want to read my posting #589 page 30


And my family all like this particular church where their teaching is that "the more you give, the more you'll receive".

Please, DO NOT take that 'literary'. Give what you can afford. Sorry to say this but churches is NOT a place that guarantee 'a return of your investment' in that sense. You may receive more spiritual blessing, you may feel more joy in giving and you may be rewarded financially in time to come but its wrong to expect a multitude return financially. It don't work that way. Beside giving to churches, giving donation to charities organisation works the same way as if you are giving to churches too.

'Giving' does not meant only giving financially, it could be giving your 'time' to help someone who needed it. Do a good deed for the day, is also a form of giving.



So the problem is, even though I learn bible and be inspired by it, I am not as "blessed" as my family.
Instead, I got so many trouble, financial crisis, my grades are the same..


Remember the saying 'God help those who help themselves...'. We do need to do our part in whatever we try to achieve in life. Yes, we have to pray for guidance from Him but not to the extend of 'after praying and leaving thing as it is'. We need to participate to do our best in order to excel whether in our grades or financially.

And that makes me wondering, are Christian supposed to be financially blessed? if so, did I do something bad? was my donation to the church insufficient?

One more time, being a Christian does NOT guarantee financially well off. You may be rich spiritually, the joy of giving is immeasurable. So as long as you are giving in whatever form whole heartedly without expecting anything in return, yo are not doing anything 'bad'. Just remember, giving does not applies to giving to churches only, giving in whatever form to someone who needed it is sufficient. So don't blame yourself for not giving sufficient to the church. Give what you can afford in whatever form and you will be bless. console.gif
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post Mar 8 2016, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Mar 5 2016, 03:47 PM)
In kron_ka situation, sounds like the person is bitter. If he's not bitter, why does he complaint about it all the time? Do you actually think that happy people need to complaint?

Sure people can address an issue out of concern but that would not be a complaint?

But to drag about it and talk incessantly about the matter forever is not being bitter? Surely that person is having negative thoughts about said topics everyday eh?

People complaint because they find the situation unacceptable to their desired condition. Is that not it?

Have a blessed weekend.

Cooking chicken stew and making black devil chocolate cake today because my mum BF is coming over. Sheesh.

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If he's not bitter, why does he complaint about it all the time?

There could be a couple of reasons why he kept 'harping' on the issue. Maybe he didn't get the answer/advise he is seeking for? hmm.gif

Sure people can address an issue out of concern but that would not be a complaint?

I did not dispute 'addressing an issue our of concern is NOT a complaint' but about 'being bitter about it' in complaint. Instead of profiling the complainant, shouldn't we be fair too to look into the issue being brought up? I do find those issue are 'real' and most church goers do encounter them. Yeah, I know, it happens and nothing much we can do about it.


People complaint because they find the situation unacceptable to their desired condition. Is that not it?

Well, generally yes but some would just like to bring to the attention and hoping it can be change for the better but if it doesn't help, it doesn't really matter (in my case). Having said that, not all is looking at 'their (own) desired condition' only but for the good of others too. smile.gif

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 7 2016, 08:05 AM)
2 Corinthians 5:21 (NIV) - God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

The word of God in this verse did not say "maybe" or that you need to prove yourself. The meaning of "might become" means past tense of the word "may"..Meaning it's a DONE DEAL!

The moment you believe in Jesus, the moment you confess him as Lord, you [u]become righteous in Christ.

You don't go through a process of righteousness. You are immediately righteous in the eyes of a Holy God![/U] That is the New Testament Covenant Righteousness which is Righteousness of Faith different from the Old Testament.

Some of us try to garner up righteousness before we pray..thinking that will qualify us answers from Heaven. No friends, When you have a wrong understanding of righteousness and you try to pray with that wrong revelation..no wonder many of us struggle in prayer and feels like it's so hard to get God to answer.

No more. Today dearly beloved..With THIS revelation of righteousness..PRAY as a righteous person for your prayer avails much! (James 5:16)

Oh Let this truth bless your heart. God Bless.

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Sorry to disagree with those (underlined). If only its as simple as that! This may or could have given some people the wrong impression.

Its still remain a journey but one with a 'chosen' destination. The moment you confess Him as Lord is not a final thing to stop doing what is right. icon_rolleyes.gif
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.... now brothers tongue.gif

Always remember the twofoldness of the truth....

1) The eternal fact beyond space and time in God's view.

2) Experience is which on-going of the eternal fact which involves daily dealing with our unrighteousness in space and time under the shinning of His light...


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post Mar 8 2016, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Mar 8 2016, 06:45 PM)
Sorry to disagree with those (underlined). If only its as simple as that! This may or could have given some people the wrong impression.

Its still remain a journey but one with a 'chosen' destination. The moment you confess Him as Lord is not a final thing to stop doing what is right. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Repent for your sins and accept Christ as your personal savior, you shall be saved. You can stand before God righteously not through your own works or your personal efforts. If so, then the crucification of Christ is futile. Having said that, it does not mean one can continue to sin. It is a journey.

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Mar 8 2016, 08:30 PM)
.... now brothers tongue.gif

Always remember the twofoldness of the truth....

1) The eternal fact beyond space and time in God's view.

2) Experience is which on-going of the eternal fact which involves daily dealing with our unrighteousness in space and time under the shinning of His light...
innocent.gif

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Define space and time hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post Mar 8 2016, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(shioks @ Mar 8 2016, 08:32 PM)
Repent for your sins and accept Christ as your personal savior, you shall be saved.  You can stand before God righteously not through your own works or your personal efforts.  If so, then the crucification of Christ is futile.  Having said that, it does not mean one can continue to sin.  It is a journey.
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Thats what I mean. Its not as simple as what he make up to be. Thats my disagreement. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Mar 8 2016, 08:53 PM)
Thats what I mean. Its not as simple as what he make up to be. Thats my disagreement.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Just go to CF, we call it CF. CF is the largest christian forum worldwide.
http://www.christianforums.com/

and ask in theological group / sections. Or, ask in faith group section. Different faith answer differently about bible interpretation

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Mar 8 2016, 08:59 PM)
Just go to CF, we call it CF. CF is the largest christian forum worldwide.
http://www.christianforums.com/

and ask in theological group / sections. Or, ask in faith group section. Different faith answer differently about bible interpretation
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seems like you are actively promoting this website. Are you one of the owners of the website? tongue.gif
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seems like you are actively promoting this website.  Are you one of the owners of the website? tongue.gif
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no, but that website has helped me a lot.
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seems like you are actively promoting this website.  Are you one of the owners of the website? tongue.gif
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no, but that website has helped me a lot.
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no, but that website has helped me a lot.
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probably you want to go through the history of Christianity beginning from the apostles period to modern day.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 8 2016, 08:20 AM)
Hi, You are blessed to be accepted by God and we are thankful that you have been baptized.

Are you familiar with this verse?

Matthew 6:31–33:
Therefore do not worry, saying, “What shall we eat?” or “What shall we drink?” or “What shall we wear?” For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.

What it means is that, Surrender all your needs, even your troubles to God. He will provide a way out and you will walk in it.

The Life of the New Covenant is a life of Faith, not by the Law. What this means is that you live believing in God Each day* not by what you have done and hence your reliance on it.
Don't live legalistic meaning because you have done so and so, therefore you will get this result or that result.

*Live believing that God loves you and will provide and meet all your needs.

As Christians we will have our challenges in life because God the Father wants to shape us and the devil wants to destroy us. I hope I didn't just pop this surprise. The moment we become children of God, We just sign up for the devil to become our great enemy and challenge in life. With that said, also don't get intimidated because you have God in your life, the Devil is more afraid that you'll discover wonderful and powerful truth (Via word of God..Bible) that can dethrone his hold and schemes against your life.

Just because you have troubles does not mean you have done something wrong or God is punishing you. Have a right perspective of Life. Many times it's the devil that's always bringing in problems but here is where you have the opportunity to exercise the spiritual gifts and authority given to you in Jesus to make things right.

It will be something new and unfamiliar but Jesus will strengthen you as long as you keep your eyes on Him.

God Bless.
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Hai, thanks for the reply.


Well actually I am not worried of what I will have and all, I'm just saying that my family is much much "blessed" than me (if you want to hear the full story, you'd agree with me), and I am just thinking, is that how Christian supposed to be (rich)? If it is, did I do something wrong?

But the challenges are, well, let's just say..my family had much lesser.
We know because we would talk about it when we have one. So usually I'm the one who always come up with all these new tough challenges in life.
It's like, I've done all the preparation, but one the day itself, everything messed up, always happened like that.

So I've been wondering, if it IS a challenge to shape myself, why am I the only one who gets it?
Not that I want my family to be exposed to bad things, but I kinda want my life to be the same as them, smooth and immaculate..haha

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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Mar 8 2016, 05:32 PM)
Firstly, congratulation on accepting and believing in Christ.

I feel compel to try to answer to your queries and dispel some of the myth that some people had about being a christian in a more 'down-to-earth' manner.

does a Christian supposed to be rich or blessed financially?

The answer is NOT necessarily. Generally, lots of people sees Christians today (locally) seems to be very well off compare to others (in urban area). You see them going to churches and contributed to the growth of the church financially as well as in assets i.e. bigger church. Most, but not all Christian are well off. This can be attributed to people are being more educated and being closer to God, helps built up their confident in doing things/carrying out their daily work. This could be a contributing factor towards their financial well being. God does not promise you richness financially or more than what you actually 'need' rather than 'want'. Obviously, if you are blessed to be well of than the other, thanks God for that but if you don't, do not be despair though.

Most of the time, God answer your prayer in a way you least expected. You may want to read my posting #589 page 30
And my family all like this particular church where their teaching is that "the more you give, the more you'll receive".

Please, DO NOT take that 'literary'. Give what you can afford. Sorry to say this but churches is NOT a place that guarantee 'a return of your investment' in that sense. You may receive more spiritual blessing, you may feel more joy in giving and you may be rewarded financially in time to come but its wrong to expect a multitude return financially. It don't work that way. Beside giving to churches, giving donation to charities organisation works the same way as if you are giving to churches too.

'Giving' does not meant only giving financially, it could be giving your 'time' to help someone who needed it. Do a good deed for the day, is also a form of giving.
So the problem is, even though I learn bible and be inspired by it, I am not as "blessed" as my family.
Instead, I got so many trouble, financial crisis, my grades are the same..


Remember the saying 'God help those who help themselves...'. We do need to do our part in whatever we try to achieve in life. Yes, we have to pray for guidance from Him but not to the extend of 'after praying and leaving thing as it is'. We need to participate to do our best in order to excel whether in our grades or financially.

And that makes me wondering, are Christian supposed to be financially blessed? if so, did I do something bad? was my donation to the church insufficient?

One more time, being a Christian does NOT guarantee financially well off. You may be rich spiritually, the joy of giving is immeasurable. So as long as you are giving in whatever form whole heartedly without expecting anything in return, yo are not doing anything 'bad'. Just remember, giving does not applies to giving to churches only, giving in whatever form to someone who needed it is sufficient. So don't blame yourself for not giving sufficient to the church. Give what you can afford in whatever form and you will be bless. console.gif
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I do agree the fact that Church is not a return investment place, but that is what they're teaching (Seriosuly, even in their preaching they just quote the bible once or twice and the rest are talking about investment, and more testimonials video about people who got back what they've spent in the church), and believe it or not, (NOT promoting the church in some way), but it works for my family!

My family gives this tithe (10% every month) and then some more donations to the red colored bag that's passed around (I dunno what's the name of that), so they do give a lot.
I am the one who gives very little because I'm still a student, and my pocket money is very small compared to the people around me, so I can't contribute much, but I still can do it every week..
I really want to tell you many evidence of them being very blessed, but I think it's irrelevant. But if you want to, you may PM me.

Anyways, yes, I do my part of course, but it just happens.
Like, I've planned everything for that day, and on that day, suddenly things just got messed up.
So sometimes I thought to God that I just don't want to be strengthen anymore, I wanna be weak, I just don't wanna experience all these failures.
I mean, my friends are all weak, got almost zero challenge, and they're doing alright...

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 6 2016, 04:41 PM)
What I mean is that the first step is to tell God, you don't want ALL parts of lust not just a part of it via prayer, I believe God will answer and honor that.

Whether you're able to do so will be a journey of Faith, it is usually not immediate though it can.

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Its a tough one for me because no matter how many times I prayed it still coming back.

Its still a long journey for me and its not like I can snap my fingers and all my temptations flies away.

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QUOTE(shioks @ Mar 8 2016, 09:19 PM)
probably you want to go through the history of Christianity beginning from the apostles period to modern day.
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that's dangerous... do not interpret bible without experts help.

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