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Dollores
post Mar 7 2016, 10:04 PM

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Hello!

I just know about this group.
Good to have a Christian Fellowship group here as I was just baptized 2 years ago, so I'm pretty new in all this, and I think I can know more info about Christianity besides from my church..

I got some basic bible study before, but I still don't understand many things..

I have this question,
does a Christian supposed to be rich or blessed financially?

Why i asked this is because my family are new Christians, we just baptized about 3 years ago, while I'm the latest one. We have been going to church ever since we have the freedom to choose our religion since our father passed away.

And my family all like this particular church where their teaching is that "the more you give, the more you'll receive"
So they give a lot to this church and then they did get the impact right away, example few days later they get bonus salary la, or big order la...

But I join this church that teaches the word of God, and how to be inspired by it. I understand many things about our Lord and I feel closer to Him, therefore, when there are people who doubted my religion, I cn convince them a bit from the bible verses that I studied n understood.

So the problem is, even though I learn bible and be inspired by it, I am not as "blessed" as my family.
Instead, I got so many trouble, financial crisis, my grades are the same..

And that makes me wondering, are Christian supposed to be financially blessed? if so, did I do something bad? was my donation to the church insufficient?

I'm so confused here, and I'm looking forward to fellow members here's insight..
thank you!
Dollores
post Mar 8 2016, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 8 2016, 08:20 AM)
Hi, You are blessed to be accepted by God and we are thankful that you have been baptized.

Are you familiar with this verse?

Matthew 6:31–33:
Therefore do not worry, saying, “What shall we eat?” or “What shall we drink?” or “What shall we wear?” For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.

What it means is that, Surrender all your needs, even your troubles to God. He will provide a way out and you will walk in it.

The Life of the New Covenant is a life of Faith, not by the Law. What this means is that you live believing in God Each day* not by what you have done and hence your reliance on it.
Don't live legalistic meaning because you have done so and so, therefore you will get this result or that result.

*Live believing that God loves you and will provide and meet all your needs.

As Christians we will have our challenges in life because God the Father wants to shape us and the devil wants to destroy us. I hope I didn't just pop this surprise. The moment we become children of God, We just sign up for the devil to become our great enemy and challenge in life. With that said, also don't get intimidated because you have God in your life, the Devil is more afraid that you'll discover wonderful and powerful truth (Via word of God..Bible) that can dethrone his hold and schemes against your life.

Just because you have troubles does not mean you have done something wrong or God is punishing you. Have a right perspective of Life. Many times it's the devil that's always bringing in problems but here is where you have the opportunity to exercise the spiritual gifts and authority given to you in Jesus to make things right.

It will be something new and unfamiliar but Jesus will strengthen you as long as you keep your eyes on Him.

God Bless.
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Hai, thanks for the reply.


Well actually I am not worried of what I will have and all, I'm just saying that my family is much much "blessed" than me (if you want to hear the full story, you'd agree with me), and I am just thinking, is that how Christian supposed to be (rich)? If it is, did I do something wrong?

But the challenges are, well, let's just say..my family had much lesser.
We know because we would talk about it when we have one. So usually I'm the one who always come up with all these new tough challenges in life.
It's like, I've done all the preparation, but one the day itself, everything messed up, always happened like that.

So I've been wondering, if it IS a challenge to shape myself, why am I the only one who gets it?
Not that I want my family to be exposed to bad things, but I kinda want my life to be the same as them, smooth and immaculate..haha

Dollores
post Mar 8 2016, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Mar 8 2016, 05:32 PM)
Firstly, congratulation on accepting and believing in Christ.

I feel compel to try to answer to your queries and dispel some of the myth that some people had about being a christian in a more 'down-to-earth' manner.

does a Christian supposed to be rich or blessed financially?

The answer is NOT necessarily. Generally, lots of people sees Christians today (locally) seems to be very well off compare to others (in urban area). You see them going to churches and contributed to the growth of the church financially as well as in assets i.e. bigger church. Most, but not all Christian are well off. This can be attributed to people are being more educated and being closer to God, helps built up their confident in doing things/carrying out their daily work. This could be a contributing factor towards their financial well being. God does not promise you richness financially or more than what you actually 'need' rather than 'want'. Obviously, if you are blessed to be well of than the other, thanks God for that but if you don't, do not be despair though.

Most of the time, God answer your prayer in a way you least expected. You may want to read my posting #589 page 30
And my family all like this particular church where their teaching is that "the more you give, the more you'll receive".

Please, DO NOT take that 'literary'. Give what you can afford. Sorry to say this but churches is NOT a place that guarantee 'a return of your investment' in that sense. You may receive more spiritual blessing, you may feel more joy in giving and you may be rewarded financially in time to come but its wrong to expect a multitude return financially. It don't work that way. Beside giving to churches, giving donation to charities organisation works the same way as if you are giving to churches too.

'Giving' does not meant only giving financially, it could be giving your 'time' to help someone who needed it. Do a good deed for the day, is also a form of giving.
So the problem is, even though I learn bible and be inspired by it, I am not as "blessed" as my family.
Instead, I got so many trouble, financial crisis, my grades are the same..


Remember the saying 'God help those who help themselves...'. We do need to do our part in whatever we try to achieve in life. Yes, we have to pray for guidance from Him but not to the extend of 'after praying and leaving thing as it is'. We need to participate to do our best in order to excel whether in our grades or financially.

And that makes me wondering, are Christian supposed to be financially blessed? if so, did I do something bad? was my donation to the church insufficient?

One more time, being a Christian does NOT guarantee financially well off. You may be rich spiritually, the joy of giving is immeasurable. So as long as you are giving in whatever form whole heartedly without expecting anything in return, yo are not doing anything 'bad'. Just remember, giving does not applies to giving to churches only, giving in whatever form to someone who needed it is sufficient. So don't blame yourself for not giving sufficient to the church. Give what you can afford in whatever form and you will be bless. console.gif
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I do agree the fact that Church is not a return investment place, but that is what they're teaching (Seriosuly, even in their preaching they just quote the bible once or twice and the rest are talking about investment, and more testimonials video about people who got back what they've spent in the church), and believe it or not, (NOT promoting the church in some way), but it works for my family!

My family gives this tithe (10% every month) and then some more donations to the red colored bag that's passed around (I dunno what's the name of that), so they do give a lot.
I am the one who gives very little because I'm still a student, and my pocket money is very small compared to the people around me, so I can't contribute much, but I still can do it every week..
I really want to tell you many evidence of them being very blessed, but I think it's irrelevant. But if you want to, you may PM me.

Anyways, yes, I do my part of course, but it just happens.
Like, I've planned everything for that day, and on that day, suddenly things just got messed up.
So sometimes I thought to God that I just don't want to be strengthen anymore, I wanna be weak, I just don't wanna experience all these failures.
I mean, my friends are all weak, got almost zero challenge, and they're doing alright...

Dollores
post Mar 8 2016, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Mar 8 2016, 09:54 PM)
I do agree the fact that Church is not a return investment place, but that is what they're teaching (Seriosuly, even in their preaching they just quote the bible once or twice and the rest are talking about investment, and more testimonials video about people who got back what they've spent in the church), and believe it or not, (NOT promoting the church in some way), but it works for my family!

My personal opinion - I think that is not right. My reason for saying so is as below;

2 Corinthians 9:7English Standard Version (ESV)

7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

Luke 21:4

[21:1] As he looked up, Jesus saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury. [2] He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins. [3] "I tell you the truth," he said, "this poor widow has put in more than all the others. [4] All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on."

So, please DO NOT feel obliged to give more than you can afford. There is NOTHING WRONG with you giving what you can afford.

Things happen for a reason and it will soon come to passed. Learn from the situation and you will become stronger when you have to go through those trail and tribulation. Have faith in HIM.  console.gif
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funny thing is, when I said that church quote one or two bible verses, that's one bible verse they always quote. haha laugh.gif
But of course, being a big church with many hundreds of branches all over my country, they do it smoothly so that it doesn't sound as if they're forcing.

I've been trying to tell my family that the church has no good intention in teaching the word of God, but they think I'm the wrong one probably because of my unluckiness..as I know my family well, they are very convinced in what they "see" (see others being lucky, they wanna learn how to be lucky, smth like that), so even though my attitude problem had gotten MUCH better thanks to God and the brethens who are so supportive and friendly to me who thaught me more about God, they still don't see it.
I'm 100% positive, if I become suddenly rich, they would absolutely be so interested in my church.
So based from my experience, the church you chose to go really affect you in approaching the Lord.

Thank you so much for the last sentence, it really came upon my realization, I do know that God did things for some reason and yet I just didn't think of that. hmm.gif
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post Mar 8 2016, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Mar 8 2016, 10:40 PM)
Ha. . .! Which one may i ask?
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which one which? the verse?
Dollores
post Mar 8 2016, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Mar 8 2016, 10:52 PM)
Yes. The verse?
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Ohh this one :
2 Corinthians 9:7English Standard Version (ESV)

7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

Dollores
post Mar 8 2016, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Mar 8 2016, 11:03 PM)
A reverse psychology?
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I'm not sure, I'm unfamiliar with those terms.. laugh.gif

But how they do it, is they would lure you to give more by speaking from the preacher, they actually gives a free business seminar instead of teaching the word of God in my opinion, and in the sermon they would do this "Last time when this church was built we have many financial problem, but I always believe that God has a way, turns out many church member here give a lot, thanks to all of you, God bless you abundantly bla bla"
every new sermon there'd be new topic like this, last time church has this problem la, every time new problem, but they don't do it so often, just sometimes la..because too often is too obvious..

And then the sermon is not far from business and investment (ie how to get up from failure, how to love one another, title is very good, but when you're inside, trust me, they will talk about B&I), and they make it very relatable, like they'd say, "ah, the young people also, God lies in the heart of joyful giver, if you give more, God bless you, I hope you can get the very beautiful and loving partner, amen!" and somthing like "I know this one guy, he had this this problem, and then I suggested him to give to church, just a little bit is okay, and then when he gives, he gets the blessing, he can now buy a house and a BMW and with God's will, he has now regularly gives tithes.."

Well I'm sure you've come across this kind of church, it's spread in so many places, with more or less the same model of marketing.

I don't doom the donation thing, I think it's great to donate. But I do think we have to donate wisely as we might not know, we might support the bad institution in spreading bad cause. Sure, we did our portion and the rest let God decide, but even if the institution is spreading bad thing and gets the sin, wouldn't us gets the sin for not knowing and chose to be blind about things? Would really appreciate your PoV regarding this matter




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