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post Mar 8 2016, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Mar 8 2016, 09:46 PM)
Its a tough one for me because no matter how many times I prayed it still coming back.

Its still a long journey for me and its not like I can snap my fingers and all my temptations flies away.

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would it be becoz deep inside your heart there is a dark spot which you are still not willing to let go. Pray for God to search your heart.

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Mar 8 2016, 09:47 PM)
that's dangerous... do not interpret bible without experts help.
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post Mar 8 2016, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Mar 8 2016, 05:55 PM)
If he's not bitter, why does he complaint about it all the time?

There could be a couple of reasons why he kept 'harping' on the issue. Maybe he didn't get the answer/advise he is seeking for?  hmm.gif

Sure people can address an issue out of concern but that would not be a complaint?

I did not dispute 'addressing an issue our of concern is NOT a complaint' but about 'being bitter about it' in complaint. Instead of profiling the complainant, shouldn't we be fair too to look into the issue being brought up? I do find those issue are 'real' and most church goers do encounter them. Yeah, I know, it happens and nothing much we can do about it.
People complaint because they find the situation unacceptable to their desired condition. Is that not it?

Well, generally yes but some would just like to bring to the attention and hoping it can be change for the better but if it doesn't help, it doesn't really matter (in my case). Having said that, not all is looking at 'their (own) desired condition' only but for the good of others too.  smile.gif
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Maybe he wants attention eh? brows.gif

Most churches tend to sweep issues under the carpet, without doubt. So what do we suppose to do anyway?

Well, from the way he said it, sounds like he wants the church to do something about it, but nobody care. Everybody is "selfish."

QUOTE(pehkay @ Mar 8 2016, 08:30 PM)
.... now brothers tongue.gif

Always remember the twofoldness of the truth....

1) The eternal fact beyond space and time in God's view.

2) Experience is which on-going of the eternal fact which involves daily dealing with our unrighteousness in space and time under the shinning of His light...
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You are referring to Einstein theory of relativity right?

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post Mar 8 2016, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(Dollores @ Mar 8 2016, 09:35 PM)
I do agree the fact that Church is not a return investment place, but that is what they're teaching (Seriosuly, even in their preaching they just quote the bible once or twice and the rest are talking about investment, and more testimonials video about people who got back what they've spent in the church), and believe it or not, (NOT promoting the church in some way), but it works for my family!

My family gives this tithe (10% every month) and then some more donations to the red colored bag that's passed around (I dunno what's the name of that), so they do give a lot.
I am the one who gives very little because I'm still a student, and my pocket money is very small compared to the people around me, so I can't contribute much, but I still can do it every week..
I really want to tell you many evidence of them being very blessed, but I think it's irrelevant. But if you want to, you may PM me.

Anyways, yes, I do my part of course, but it just happens.
Like, I've planned everything for that day, and on that day, suddenly things just got messed up.
So sometimes I thought to God that I just don't want to be strengthen anymore, I wanna be weak, I just don't wanna experience all these failures.
I mean, my friends are all weak, got almost zero challenge, and they're doing alright...
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I do agree the fact that Church is not a return investment place, but that is what they're teaching (Seriosuly, even in their preaching they just quote the bible once or twice and the rest are talking about investment, and more testimonials video about people who got back what they've spent in the church), and believe it or not, (NOT promoting the church in some way), but it works for my family!

My personal opinion - I think that is not right. My reason for saying so is as below;

2 Corinthians 9:7English Standard Version (ESV)

7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.



Luke 21:4

[21:1] As he looked up, Jesus saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury. [2] He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins. [3] "I tell you the truth," he said, "this poor widow has put in more than all the others. [4] All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on."



So, please DO NOT feel obliged to give more than you can afford. There is NOTHING WRONG with you giving what you can afford.

Things happen for a reason and it will soon come to passed. Learn from the situation and you will become stronger when you have to go through those trail and tribulation. Have faith in HIM. console.gif
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post Mar 8 2016, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(Dollores @ Mar 7 2016, 10:04 PM)

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post Mar 8 2016, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(shioks @ Mar 8 2016, 09:47 PM)
would it be becoz deep inside your heart there is a dark spot which you are still not willing to let go.  Pray for God to search your heart.
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Well..everybody have their own sins. Its not that I'm unwilling to let go. It takes time.

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post Mar 8 2016, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Mar 8 2016, 09:58 PM)
Well..everybody have their own sins. Its not that I'm unwilling to let go. It takes time.

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tinarhian
post Mar 8 2016, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(shioks @ Mar 8 2016, 09:59 PM)
Don't leave a room for sin.  Tell yourself "This is it!" tongue.gif
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I've tried dude. What do you want me to do? Fast on a mountain or something?
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post Mar 8 2016, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Mar 8 2016, 10:00 PM)
I've tried dude. What do you want me to do? Fast on a mountain or something?
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doh.gif LOL!
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post Mar 8 2016, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 8 2016, 02:08 PM)

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post Mar 8 2016, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(shioks @ Mar 8 2016, 10:02 PM)
doh.gif LOL!
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I'm work-in-progress okay?! shakehead.gif

Its not like I've suddenly become angelic overnight. Duh.


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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Mar 8 2016, 09:52 PM)
Maybe he wants attention eh?  brows.gif

Most churches tend to sweep issues under the carpet, without doubt. So what do we suppose to do anyway?

Well, from the way he said it, sounds like he wants the church to do something about it, but nobody care. Everybody is "selfish."

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See, thats the reason. I guess nothing other than lending him a sympathetic ear and some word of encouragement rather than running him down. . . bruce.gif
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post Mar 8 2016, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Mar 8 2016, 10:04 PM)
See, thats the reason. I guess nothing other than lending him a sympathetic ear and some word of encouragement rather than running him down. . . bruce.gif
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Well we tried to lend him an ear or two, but the stories keep on getting worst. blush.gif

We even encouraged him to change church. But no...he doesn't want to.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 7 2016, 08:05 AM)
2 Corinthians 5:21 (NIV) - God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

The word of God in this verse did not say "maybe" or that you need to prove yourself. The meaning of "might become" means past tense of the word "may"..Meaning it's a DONE DEAL!

The moment you believe in Jesus, the moment you confess him as Lord, you become righteous in Christ.

You don't go through a process of righteousness. You are immediately righteous in the eyes of a Holy God! That is the New Testament Covenant Righteousness which is Righteousness of Faith different from the Old Testament.

Some of us try to garner up righteousness before we pray..thinking that will qualify us answers from Heaven. No friends, When you have a wrong understanding of righteousness and you try to pray with that wrong revelation..no wonder many of us struggle in prayer and feels like it's so hard to get God to answer.

No more. Today dearly beloved..With THIS revelation of righteousness..PRAY as a righteous person for your prayer avails much! (James 5:16)

Oh Let this truth bless your heart. God Bless.

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post Mar 8 2016, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Mar 8 2016, 06:45 PM)
Sorry to disagree with those (underlined). If only its as simple as that! This may or could have given some people the wrong impression.

Its still remain a journey but one with a 'chosen' destination. The moment you confess Him as Lord is not a final thing to stop doing what is right. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Your actions may not match in your journey of life but this righteousness is a state of being, it has nothing to do with your works or efforts.

You cannot gain this righteousness by your merits.


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post Mar 8 2016, 10:19 PM

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Could it be one shown bitterness becoz he/she was not appointed to a role he/she desired? Jealousy? hmm.gif
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post Mar 8 2016, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Mar 8 2016, 09:54 PM)
I do agree the fact that Church is not a return investment place, but that is what they're teaching (Seriosuly, even in their preaching they just quote the bible once or twice and the rest are talking about investment, and more testimonials video about people who got back what they've spent in the church), and believe it or not, (NOT promoting the church in some way), but it works for my family!

My personal opinion - I think that is not right. My reason for saying so is as below;

2 Corinthians 9:7English Standard Version (ESV)

7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

Luke 21:4

[21:1] As he looked up, Jesus saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury. [2] He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins. [3] "I tell you the truth," he said, "this poor widow has put in more than all the others. [4] All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on."

So, please DO NOT feel obliged to give more than you can afford. There is NOTHING WRONG with you giving what you can afford.

Things happen for a reason and it will soon come to passed. Learn from the situation and you will become stronger when you have to go through those trail and tribulation. Have faith in HIM.  console.gif
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funny thing is, when I said that church quote one or two bible verses, that's one bible verse they always quote. haha laugh.gif
But of course, being a big church with many hundreds of branches all over my country, they do it smoothly so that it doesn't sound as if they're forcing.

I've been trying to tell my family that the church has no good intention in teaching the word of God, but they think I'm the wrong one probably because of my unluckiness..as I know my family well, they are very convinced in what they "see" (see others being lucky, they wanna learn how to be lucky, smth like that), so even though my attitude problem had gotten MUCH better thanks to God and the brethens who are so supportive and friendly to me who thaught me more about God, they still don't see it.
I'm 100% positive, if I become suddenly rich, they would absolutely be so interested in my church.
So based from my experience, the church you chose to go really affect you in approaching the Lord.

Thank you so much for the last sentence, it really came upon my realization, I do know that God did things for some reason and yet I just didn't think of that. hmm.gif
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post Mar 8 2016, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(Dollores @ Mar 8 2016, 10:29 PM)
funny thing is, when I said that church quote one or two bible verses, that's one bible verse they always quote. haha  laugh.gif
But of course, being a big church with many hundreds of branches all over my country,  they do it smoothly so that it doesn't sound as if they're forcing.

I've been trying to tell my family that the church has no good intention in teaching the word of God, but they think I'm the wrong one probably because of my unluckiness..as I know my family well, they are very convinced in what they "see" (see others being lucky, they wanna learn how to be lucky, smth like that), so even though my attitude problem had gotten MUCH better thanks to God and the brethens who are so supportive and friendly to me who thaught me more about God, they still don't see it.
I'm 100% positive, if I become suddenly rich, they would absolutely be so interested in my church.
So based from my experience, the church you chose to go really affect you in approaching the Lord.

Thank you so much for the last sentence, it really came upon my realization, I do know that God did things for some reason and yet I just didn't think of that.  hmm.gif
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Ha. . .! Which one may i ask?
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post Mar 8 2016, 10:44 PM

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Ha. . .! Which one may i ask?
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OH God! I hope its not another DUMC dude.
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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Mar 8 2016, 10:40 PM)
Ha. . .! Which one may i ask?
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which one which? the verse?

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