If you notice who's been commenting on this thread, you'll know this thread is under close scrutiny by a bunch of atheist trolls. You come in firing questions and holding a possibly controversial view like this, you looked even to me as if you were one of them. As it is your fight with UW has indeed drawn the scumbags in.

unknown warrior and I don't share the same view on many things, but he is the Thread Starter and does us all a service administrating this little sanctuary in LYN. 1 way or another he is vaguely some kind of leader and knowing what that means for Christians, for that he ought to receive some due benefit of the doubt, even if not respect exactly. Do try to be nice to him.

Meanwhile in the interests of peace I do ask that you consider shelving the fight with UW or at least taking it to PM. Something that I think, unknown warrior, you should have done long before this.
1) yes
2) hmm can count Holy Spirit too, okay
3) okay
4) okay
5) okay
6) sure
7) nonetheless, do not forsake the gathering of the saints
8) NO. subject to belief in a divine Jesus as the Saviour who died for our sins and rose again
9) doesn't make him saved. sorry.
10) refer caveats 8 and 9
11) refer caveat 8.

If you had started with this list from your first or second post, it would have saved you and everyone a lot of aggravation.

Wow UW, I didn't know you got so many admirers, even ThePope is here.

#POPE TOMATO SAUCE

Isn't this the Basic Tenet of Christianity?

1. Jesus Christ is the only way to eternal salvation with God the father
2. We are saved by grace through faith - not by works
3. Jesus Christ is the Son of God
4. The Incarnation of Jesus Christ
5. The Bodily Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the grave
6. The Ascension of Jesus Christ
7. The Doctrine of the Trinity
8. The Holy Bible is the inspired and infallible word of God
9. We are baptized with the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation
10. Regeneration by the Holy Spirit
11. The Doctrine of Hell
12. The second coming of Jesus Christ

Though I'm not sure of Point 10. What does it mean?

Win arguments? Is that this is what it's all about? Is that why you said I have no love of Christ because I explained to you with scripture?

If quoting scripture offends you...I find that rather fishy if not ......something is just not right. It's the first time I encounter someone who says he is a christian and gets offended when scripture is quoted.

As Christians you are not suppose to be offended by it but to engage in discussion because it's suppose to be part of your life.

Actually...the Bible does states that being a homosexual is a no go. Read 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Please don't take that as trying to win argument, just stating that it's there and what you said about being a homosexual not going to hell is not the truth. 

And I noticed your account is newly created and you use it just to post this.......
Are you by any chance Blindspot dupe? Nevermind I can check that information.

If you are..shame on you, and if you are the dupe of cybermaster98 then shame on you too... if you're not..then my apology.

If you notice who's been commenting on this thread, you'll know this thread is under close scrutiny by a bunch of atheist trolls. You come in firing questions and holding a possibly controversial view like this, you looked even to me as if you were one of them. As it is your fight with UW has indeed drawn the scumbags in.

unknown warrior and I don't share the same view on many things, but he is the Thread Starter and does us all a service administrating this little sanctuary in LYN. 1 way or another he is vaguely some kind of leader and knowing what that means for Christians, for that he ought to receive some due benefit of the doubt, even if not respect exactly. Do try to be nice to him.

Meanwhile in the interests of peace I do ask that you consider shelving the fight with UW or at least taking it to PM. Something that I think, unknown warrior, you should have done long before this.

YOU just listen to yourself.

When more than one /k disagree with your view but shared some of their opinions, it become a conspiracy theory, your mind go on overdrive and you out smart yourself, its a dupe, a bogeyman, monster under the bed, this ONE guy must have created several account to discredit me.

Like I said, YOU AND YOUR EGO.

YOU just listen to yourself.

When more than one /k disagree with your view but shared some of their opinions, it become a conspiracy theory, your mind go on overdrive and you out smart yourself, its a dupe, a bogeyman, monster under the bed, this ONE guy must have created several account to discredit me.

Like I said, YOU AND YOUR EGO.

Take a couple of step back and look at yourself for Pete sake. . .

Its a crime to be new to the forum?

Yes, IF WE ARE THE SAME PERSON, A BIG SHAME ON US BUT IF ITS NOT??????

Respect is earned not demanded neither given FOC.

And I didn't come in 'firing questions'. I just asked a simple question and a bunch of so called Christians decided they could play God and pass judgement on me. My intention of asking that first question was to start a MATURE DEBATE but what I did not expect was the JUDGEMENT and FALSE ACCUSATIONS that came after that.

Whether or not, there are atheist forumers who are waiting to jump in is again a form of JUDGEMENT which when passed in this manner results in more condemnation of Christianity. We are our worst enemies not atheists and you labelling them SCUMBAGS clearly gives us all a bad name. No different to UW.

We must stop having this siege mentality. This siege mentality comes from arrogance that we assume our view is the ONLY right one. I love getting in mature debates and if you read thru my historical posts on other threads e.g investments, property, cars, etc you will notice that we have had some very good discussions.

Why did it turn out badly here? Yes I had a choice to remain silent or to let go the way I did over the past 2 days. I chose the latter because I wanted to see how UW reacts. And I got my answer. He can be the thread starter or even a Pastor in his Church but in God's eyes he is the SAME as all of us. We do not need to worship him just because he says things that fit in with your beliefs. Yes we can agree to disagree and im fine with that but when someone JUDGES me and calls me an UNBELIEVER just because I contradict his opinion, then you begin a war which I am bound to respond in kind.

Again I made a decision not to continue my fight with UW today which is why when I was asked for clarity by another former, my tone was completely different. But when I was again attacked when UW came back online earlier, I decided to go back into attack mode.

So stop asking me to remain patient and to stop fighting and tell UW that instead. That is if you really want peace on this thread. If not the battles will continue especially if I get any more crap responses from UW.

Sorry I've already explained there was no judgement and there's no false accusation.
You purposely blow this out of proportion. That is the truth.

To me it is wrong if one creates a dupe just to give an impression as if more than 1 person disagree when actually it's just the same person.

Yes  I said that.

To me it is wrong if one creates a dupe just to give an impression as if more than 1 person disagree when actually it's just the same person.

Why wrong? Because they're both the same person, why need to create a false impression? There is nothing wrong if that person use the original account to disagree.

Besides I did say I apologize if it isn't. To include Apologizing is also ego? You listen to yourself.
Sorry I've already explained there was no judgement and there's no false accusation.

Hmmm, there you go again. Well, I give you that, you are good at covering yourself. . . . Good earthly logic . . .

"I think you are a thief and if you are not I apologize"

"I think you are a #%^%$^%$# but if you are not I apologize. . ."

You just CANNOT accept the very fact that there are people just disagree with you, don't you?

And I was expecting a more humble apology . . . and who am I kidding anyway. . .

And you just cannot accept that I'm entitled to differ in opinion as well isn't it?

who am I kidding.

Anyway. I have no serious malice against you. Similarly, I do not have any serious malice against any atheist out there. If I have malice against everyone that goes against me, I will probably be insane by now. I am just passionate when it comes to the Word of God and if someone misrepresent it, I have to voice against it. In any debates, there are meant to be name calling. You have called me a troll and a non christian when it's clear all along that even though I am harsh, I am still defending my faith and I was not trolling. But as I have said many times, I really have no mood as of this time to start an argument. In the past, you did say many things that are contary to my beliefs but I will not purposely pull them out just for the sake of doing so. On the issue of animal sacrifices. It's not really a major doctrinal issue but then your logic is wrong because people from other religion and atheist do not sacrifice animals at least directly to God as well, and yet they do not end up dead.  The sacrifice is actually God's way of reminding His people of their sins. It's not as you described whereby God killed the animal instead of the sinner. The killing of the animals is an indication that only blood can be used to pay for the penalty of sin and also a imperfect symbol of the death of Christ that is the only way all sins in the past and present can be forgiven. The fact that you actually say that God choose to kill the animals instead of the sinner shows that you have an oversimplified view of interpreting scripture. I mean it really does not make sense that an animal sacrifice can prevent a prisoner who is in death row to receive the death penalty right? The way you handle scripture leaves a lot to be desired really. It's ok to make mistakes but just by making this comparison, what I can say is that you really treat God's word too lightly.

The point of Matthew 10:34 is that there will be a separation when it comes to fighting for the truth. Even though the rest of the passage talk about the family, it could also refer to the church as well. Espacially in the end times whereby there will be false prophets appearing in churches and the congregation has to be seperated. Part of the congregation will be deceive and the other part of the congregation will call out the false prophets.

Yeah, who are you kidding. . .

With due respect, just take my advise and get your church to create a website, and in it create, a CFG forum. This way, you will be fine.. . . ( I hope)

There is nothing wrong in having disagreements and arguments in Christendom. In fact disagreements and arguments are actually check and balances to ensure that people do not go off tangent. There will be something wrong if there are no disagreements.

The way you approach evangelism was wrong though. It's all right to tell someone that they would go to hell if they do not repent and believe. That's the Christian stance. But saying that you are stupid and stubborn is wrong in the first place. It's the holy spirit that convicts someone on whether to believe or not. If you are telling someone that they are going to hell without explaining why, you are also going off tangent.

As you wish, I'm double nickers to many other nicks.  In fact, I'm Tinarhian who likes "morbid enjoyment in seeing a group "Talibans" slinging mud at each other ... "

No it's true, you don't realize...indirectly you're saying, I'm not entitle to my opinion.

Guess what? We are on a Website and we are on a forum.

Uw his reminds me of a comic about Internet arguments...

https://xkcd.com/1081/