No problem. I cannot just watch a faithful servant of God be attacked injusticely and not do anything.

Hey we are warrior clans.

My question is simple: Do Christians believe that ONLY Christians go to Heaven?

Based on Scripture I believe that only people who believe that Jesus died for our sins can go to heaven.

Naturally this can include people who are officially Christians and people who are officially not Christians, it can also exclude people who are officially Christians.

Well I personally do not believe in Prosperity Gospel as well, but I respected others view on that and do not force that view on others is what I am fine with but forcing other to accept your view is a big no from me

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That's the problem with Christians. They always think with the siege mentality like the Malays in our country. Always so damn worried about giving simple answers.

I asked a simple question and I expected a simple answer. There is no question about my intention, my purpose, my hidden agenda or whatever.

Don't dramatize simple questions.

Well you have to define what is a Christian?

What is your understanding of it before we can answer yes or no.

Problem of generalization from non believers can lead to error in understanding.

Right we know UW don't agree with our views regarding Prosperity Gospel. But we don't yell at him and cuss words like

#STUPID
#FOOL
#RETARD
#LOSER
#COWARD

That is not judging you. That is presuming you to be a non believer because of the way you posted..... blaming Christians.

If you claim to be a christian, then when you say "That's the problem with Christians", don't you know you are blaming yourself as well?

Hence you cannot blame anyone if we deducted that you're non believer.

Next time post like this:

I'm a Christian too but I also blame other Christians....
That would not lead to wrong assumption about you.

It's the way you posted, that got people misunderstanding you.

Besides, if you are a Christian, you should really know Salvation is by Grace of God meaning it cannot be earned by performance given to you through your Faith in Jesus Christ.

So when you say things like People can attain Salvation by their virtuous life and by obeying the 10 commandments...you cannot blame people to assume that you're a non believer..because every Christians should know this basic doctrine.

What you subscribe to is an error. There is no such doctrine under the New Covenant.

Alright. Fair response. Thank you.

But im uncertain about one thing you said. How can someone who isn't a Christian believe Jesus died for our sins?

Morning Tina. 

Depends how you define Christian. Member of an official church? If so which church? Catholic? NECF? AOG? If AOG, did someone read out all 16 official principles for him/her to agree? is s/he denied a place in heaven because s/he disagrees/was unaware of 1 of the principles?  Is s/he a cultist maybe? Or is the person officially a member of religion-which-dominant-in-many-ASEAN-countries-which-I'm-not-going-to-mention, but still believes He died for us and is the Son of God?

At this point in my faith I believe this is all that is needed for basic salvation.

What do you believe? How do you define a Christian? And why is this important to you?

THAT IS YOU JUDGING! You could have easily asked me if I was a Christian or not but you chose to JUDGE and ASSUME that I wasn't based on your warped narrow mindset.

I say we because I also accept part blame and correction as being part of this Christian faith. I don't segregate myself and plant myself on a pedestal and JUDGE others.

Ok noted.

I've shared my views on what I believe in my earlier post today. The longest one. 11 points. If you have the time, feel free to read and share your thoughts. I would certainly like to hear them.

So far only 1 person has commented on that in a mature manner. The other person choose to ignore the message I was trying to convey.

Tolerating UW for 11 versions of this fellowship is indeed long suffering. If i may say, truly insufferable.

In here, it's either his way or the highway.

That's why my brother prophetjul and I, no longer visit this thread. All for the sake of maintaining the peace in this 'sanctuary'.

Shalom

Wow UW, I didn't know you got so many admirers, even ThePope is here.

#POPE TOMATO SAUCE

Ok noted.

I've shared my views on what I believe in my earlier post today. The longest one. 11 points. If you have the time, feel free to read and share your thoughts. I would certainly like to hear them.

So far only 1 person has commented on that in a mature manner. The other person choose to ignore the message I was trying to convey.

1) The Bible is an all Supreme document and guide for our life
2) The Bible is NOT the only source of guidance
3) God has also placed many Helpers in the world to help us in our journey to Him e.g the Church, parents, family, lay people, strangers, our 5 senses, our intelligence, etc
4) Christianity is NOT merely about a Church membership
5) Attending Church should be a personal decision one makes in defining his relationship with God. If he feels that going to Church doesn't give him that 'enhancement' then we should not judge him and start trying to force him back into the Church using fear tactics of eternal damnation.
6) A person may be having a much greater relationship with God compared to a person who obediently attends Church every week.
7) We should never judge a person's personal relationship with God based on his Church attendance.
8) Just because one does not profess to be a Christian does not mean he cannot be a Christian in the way he lives his life
9) A non Christian may be leading a more virtuous life than a Christian who reads & memorises the Bible but doesn't put it into practice
10) Just because one does not go to Church, doesn't mean a person is doomed
11) A person's damnation / salvation is decided based on how he lived his life. Not by a Church membership / non membership.

Isn't this the Basic Tenet of Christianity?

1. Jesus Christ is the only way to eternal salvation with God the father
2. We are saved by grace through faith - not by works
3. Jesus Christ is the Son of God
4. The Incarnation of Jesus Christ
5. The Bodily Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the grave
6. The Ascension of Jesus Christ
7. The Doctrine of the Trinity
8. The Holy Bible is the inspired and infallible word of God
9. We are baptized with the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation
10. Regeneration by the Holy Spirit
11. The Doctrine of Hell
12. The second coming of Jesus Christ

Though I'm not sure of Point 10. What does it mean?