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truth_warrior
post Sep 2 2016, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(blueflame @ Sep 2 2016, 01:12 PM)
Hello everyone! smile.gif

Just want to ask, which English translation of the Bible do you guys read/recommend?

My pastor and lifegroup use ESV so I followed suit for a while. But I find it difficult to read and understand even though I'm English educated.. So I'm thinking of switching to NIV. But then I've heard that NIV was paraphrased. I also have an NRSV Bible. KJV is a big no no for me. Also, I've been told to avoid The Message Bible.

But then I also wonder, does it matter which translation I read?

Also, what do you think of study Bibles? Are they recommended?

God bless. smile.gif
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Prefer ESV. Literal translation and authors intended to make it readable and also precise to the meaning of the original texts. And you're right NIV is paraphrased (ie: translated to what the authors think what the text means instead of what the texts actually says.), so needs to be careful when using it. Also since 2011, NIV was translated to reflect more "gender neutral" language in the texts, which can result confusion in understanding the proper biblical gender roles intended by the original scriptures, so I personally do not recommend NIV.

May refer to these three sources for more details:

http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-translations.html

http://www.gotquestions.org/English-Standa...ersion-ESV.html

http://www.gotquestions.org/New-Internatio...ersion-NIV.html

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truth_warrior
post Nov 2 2016, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 2 2016, 09:43 AM)
Exactly my point! Jesus never said the way to the Father is thru the Church. He said it's thru Him. Jesus life and ministry is a WAY OF LIFE. The Church is just a medium to enhance that way of life. It is not a SOLE VEHICLE to eternal life.

Many Christian denominations have misused this verse to force / threaten / blackmail non believers into joining their Churches.

CHRISTINITY IS NOT MERELY ABOUT CHURCH MEMBERSHIP AND PAYING TITHES.

Whats more important is THE WAY OF LIFE! That has to be a reflection of our whole existence as Christians.
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Hi pardon me if I can interrupt into this "heated" conversation.

I have been reading this thread, and the way I see it is, NO ONE, including UW has ever said you can get saved by going to church and paying tithes.

Bro, I think you have misunderstood big time.

And I believe it's always agreeable among Christians that good works are vital among Christians, because if you are truly saved you will do good work.

But, to be saved, it's only through Jesus, not good work - see the difference there?
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post Nov 2 2016, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 2 2016, 10:05 AM)
Sorry but I think its you who have misunderstood what ive been saying all throughout. Im not just talking about good works. When did I ever say that? Why don't u go back to page 131 and start from the beginning. Im certain you will be able to see where im coming from.
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You said "way of life".

I don't know maybe you define for me what that means.

And what kind of "way of life" you think can get you saved?
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post Nov 2 2016, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 2 2016, 10:37 AM)
First of all you need to understand my beliefs which are based on my journey so far and what I have experienced and found out which im confident are and should be the basis of our Faith:

1) The Bible is an all Supreme document and guide for our life

2) The Bible is NOT the only source of guidance

3) God has also placed many Helpers in the world to help us in our journey to Him e.g the Church, parents, family, lay people, strangers, our 5 senses, our intelligence, etc

4) Christianity is NOT merely about a Church membership

5) Attending Church should be a personal decision one makes in defining his relationship with God. If he feels that going to Church doesn't give him that 'enhancement' then we should not judge him and start trying to force him back into the Church using fear tactics of eternal damnation. 

6) A person may be having a much greater relationship with God compared to a person who obediently attends Church every week.

7) We should never judge a person's personal relationship with God based on his Church attendance. 

8) Just because one does not profess to be a Christian does not mean he cannot be a Christian in the way he lives his life

9) A non Christian may be leading a more virtuous life than a Christian who reads & memorises the Bible but doesn't put it into practice

10) Just because one does not go to Church, doesn't mean a person is doomed

11) A person's damnation / salvation is decided based on how he lived his life. Not by a Church membership / non membership.

And pls don't come back saying I don't go to Church because of my sharing above.  biggrin.gif

FYI I go every week but I go not because society demands this of me but because I get a certain kind of peace at Church. I actually spend more time in Church on days when there is no service. When the crowds are gone and no one is there to see. That's my quiet time with God. But this is just me. Doing this alone WILL NOT GUARANTEE me Salvation. I do not and will not expect others to conform to that just because that's what I do.

In that same way I get very angry when I hear anybody passing judgement saying that someone is dammed just because he isn't Christian. That's NOT what our religion is about. Our religion is about a way of life in accordance with the teachings of Christ. We don't only need to read the Bible in order to know how to live. We can be living a more virtuous life than a person who reads the Bible. It's all about putting all the positives we know into practice not just in our own lives but also in the lives of those around us.
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Okay. I actually agree with a lot of things you said here. Perhaps the heated conversation arise from actual misunderstanding.

I agree that going to church alone does not guarantee salvation. And of course Christianity is more than going to church - i.e. it's the true relationship with God.

And I believe when people say being a "Christian", it does not mean being a church goer, but a belief that Jesus is the true God who will give salvation if we believe and depend on him - and I also think there is some misunderstanding on the term "Christian" from the way I see the conversation between you and UW.

I too hate it when people judge me just because I did not go to church once or twice due to personal reason. In deep I believe that's not what determines my salvation; However at the same time, I believe having fellowship at Church is important as the bible does say so - so when I skip church, I understand there is a need in me to pray to God for more desire and passion to be in the fellowship.

Having said all that, Bible IS a very important tool to guide the Christian life. And I believe, as you used the term "supreme" - I would take the bible as the "highest" authority to guide the Christian life - i.e. any other source which contradicts the bible, the bible should prevail, that should be the bottom line.



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post Nov 2 2016, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 2 2016, 11:07 AM)
First let me thank you for your mature response. And thank you for not judging me. This clearly shows there are people on this thread here who can engage like a normal, mature HUMAN being without passing judgement.

UW GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE AND LEARN FROM THIS GUY!
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Bro I appreciate your appreciation towards my response. But I do think you have to stop attacking UW - it's a misunderstanding/miscommunication that's all I see it.

I respect UW for his leadership in leading this Christianity thread; not everyone would devote so much time to do this as ministry for God. I also believe he is a true and faithful Christian and servant for God.

So just stop using "attacking/rude" words and communicate nicely will you?
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post Nov 2 2016, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 2 2016, 11:18 AM)
Thank you bro it's a much needed and I appreciate it.
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No problem. I cannot just watch a faithful servant of God be attacked injusticely and not do anything.
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post Nov 2 2016, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 2 2016, 11:28 AM)
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