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SUSKLboy92
post Aug 3 2016, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(Blindspot61 @ Aug 3 2016, 03:10 PM)
I know what you mean about God harden Pharaoh's heart but what come first in terms of manifesting His power visibly is turning the cane/rod into a snake, turning Moses's hand's skin leprous, the water taken from river of Nile to blood and that should be sufficient. It in turn, then God harden Pharaoh's heart which come's later in the sequences of event/plan. So ONLY Moses and his brother know of God's plan and what were to follow, not the rest of the people present during that day. If you or me were there at the moment, we won't know after all THIS, it's a no go for those slaves. So, I am sure those slaves who are believer could have prayed to be free from the bond of Pharaoh but it is not to be and it turn out to be a TRIAL for those people - as I see it. You get my point.
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Going back to the original Pharaoh question: we often forget that many parts of the Bible are written in traditional Israeli poetic/literary form. This is one of them. When it is said 'God hardened his heart', it simply means Pharaoh hardened his heart. The reasoning is that, it is obvious to all that God is omnipotent. Should he want to, he could change our hearts so that we will worship him forever. But he has always demonstrated that he will allow humans free will in all things even to the point of his chosen people killing his ultimate messenger, the Son.

That Pharaoh did not listen even after 9 plagues is merely free will in action. And God has planned for it all in advance, so that he has a whole Red Sea up his sleeve to drown the Egyptian army.

Hence it is said that God 'hardened Pharaoh's heart', by allowing him free will.

By my understanding anyway. And also, from a quick Google, these guys: http://apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx...11&article=1205
That page is quite good as it examines the topic from practically all angles.

QUOTE(shioks @ Aug 3 2016, 05:51 PM)
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- by Mary Stevenson
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how does this relate to Blindspot's Pharaoh question?
I think you tried to make the same point that I did above regarding free will, but the enigmatic "go do research" mode of delivery is somewhat confusing.
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post Sep 3 2016, 09:26 PM

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^ Not sure why this is going on here... hmm.gif

Mr unknown?
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post Sep 5 2016, 09:13 PM

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Popcorn enjoyment aside, this is an interesting form of attack.

I have never encountered someone who literally asks for your help to attack yourself... well, not this brazenly anyway.

Doubtless then that he will include it in his future "testimony" that Christians are unhelpful, suitably edited of course.

Whoof.
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post Oct 15 2016, 02:26 AM

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QUOTE(Hoka Nobasho @ Oct 15 2016, 01:48 AM)
May I kindly ask what have I done exactly that vexed you so?

If you have a church, would you ban all atheists from coming into the church simply because they have different thoughts and opinions? Back when I was a Christian, my church was open to all, including people with different faiths and atheists and agnostics, and like every other church, they are suppose to welcome these people without any hatred in their hearts as long things do not go out proportions. In my defence, I have yet to expressed any thoughts or opinions that are considered controversial, so I should be safe, even from being called as a troll, no?
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You have made your views clearly enough elsewhere on /k, stridently enough to piss off those from other faiths and cause your threads to be deleted by mods.

You then came here asking for support against the mods and accused us of all sorts of things when unknown warrior said no.

Now you come back professing to want to join us in social talk. But your subsequent 4 posts did not contribute anything at all to any discussion and served merely to point out in brilliant passive aggressive fashion that you have an ongoing dispute with the rules of this forum.

That is what makes you clearly a troll.

Well meaning visitors are welcome at almost any time in church. But there's no reason to welcone people who are here merely to point out that they have a grievance with the church... or as we call it, cari gaduh.
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post Oct 15 2016, 02:38 AM

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QUOTE(Hoka Nobasho @ Oct 15 2016, 02:31 AM)
Passive aggressive or not, as long I do not break any rules here, wouldn't that be sufficient? The reason why I am back here was stated clearly from my few conversations with unknown warrior if you check a few posts back. I have stated that I have emotional ties and good memories while being a Christian, therefore I was back have uttered a simple greeting. Unknown warrior welcomed me with hopes that I will one day accept God again.

Of course, one thing lead to another, and now, we had you calling me a troll.

However, to be fair, I am able to engage in a social and intellectual talk if you wish me to be. Would you, KLboy92, be the first one to give me that permission so that I can finally express my disagreement properly with the previous posts that made you call me a troll?
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I can't see any lead up to anything. Only 1 greeting and 4 more or less identical passive aggressive replies. But any permission is not mine to give. Go ask TS. You can say anything anyway. Its up to TS to moderate the thread.
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post Oct 15 2016, 02:53 AM

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QUOTE(Hoka Nobasho @ Oct 15 2016, 02:40 AM)
If the permission is not for you to give, why would you disagree with me for refraining my thoughts to myself as passive aggressive, and not as a good way to ensure that I do not break the rules here?
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Nothing wrong with me calling it as I see it.
But moderation of thread discussion is not my business, its TS's.
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post Oct 15 2016, 02:57 AM

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QUOTE(Hoka Nobasho @ Oct 15 2016, 02:56 AM)
But why would it be right for you to call it an act of trolling when it's literally the only type of post I can make?
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No point in me answering obvious questions.
Go ask TS.
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post Oct 15 2016, 03:03 AM

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QUOTE(Hoka Nobasho @ Oct 15 2016, 02:58 AM)
Why would asking TS answers the question about what you personally think?

Didn't you ask for an intellectual engagement earlier? What's with the evasion of questions now?
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Okay, guess I have to spell it out.

I call your presence here a troll. In fact you are trolling me right now. Its up to TS to tell me if I'm wrong. Likewise if you don't like it go ask TS. He's moderating the thread.
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post Oct 15 2016, 03:08 AM

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QUOTE(Hoka Nobasho @ Oct 15 2016, 03:05 AM)
Didn't you ask for an intellectual engagement earlier? Why would that constitute as being trolling?

Wouldn't it be more viable to allow the intellectual discussion to progress further by addressing to my points directly?

Is this your idea of expecting an intellectual discussion from people, only to corner them to call them a troll?
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I didn't ask for intellectual engagement. I asked you to fly away.

No. This isn't an intellectual discussion. Its a troll.

No. I expected you to fly away, only to be proven with every post thay you are a troll.
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post Oct 15 2016, 03:21 AM

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QUOTE(Hoka Nobasho @ Oct 15 2016, 03:13 AM)
No, you asked me to fly away

Correct
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because you have claimed I was incapable of having a social or intellectual engagement, as shown evidently from your own post below:

Not incapable, "have no intention" is exactly what I said. As proven by every post you have written here for the past 1 hour. And beyond.

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Of course, it isn't an intellectual discussion.


Correct. This is you trolling.

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As far I'm concerned, you are disallowing me to have one

No. I am not disallowing anything. That's TS's job. I am just calling you a troll.

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and yet still have the audacity to call me a troll for not having one.
That's only because you have claimed to expect me to engage socially or intellectually, as shown evidently from your own post below:
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Yup. Troll.
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post Nov 2 2016, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 28 2016, 10:12 AM)
My question is simple: Do Christians believe that ONLY Christians go to Heaven?
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Based on Scripture I believe that only people who believe that Jesus died for our sins can go to heaven.

Naturally this can include people who are officially Christians and people who are officially not Christians, it can also exclude people who are officially Christians.
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post Nov 2 2016, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 2 2016, 11:34 AM)
Alright. Fair response. Thank you.

But im uncertain about one thing you said. How can someone who isn't a Christian believe Jesus died for our sins?
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Depends how you define Christian. Member of an official church? If so which church? Catholic? NECF? AOG? If AOG, did someone read out all 16 official principles for him/her to agree? is s/he denied a place in heaven because s/he disagrees/was unaware of 1 of the principles? Is s/he a cultist maybe? Or is the person officially a member of religion-which-dominant-in-many-ASEAN-countries-which-I'm-not-going-to-mention, but still believes He died for us and is the Son of God?

At this point in my faith I believe this is all that is needed for basic salvation.

What do you believe? How do you define a Christian? And why is this important to you?
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post Nov 2 2016, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 2 2016, 11:43 AM)
Ok noted.

I've shared my views on what I believe in my earlier post today. The longest one. 11 points. If you have the time, feel free to read and share your thoughts. I would certainly like to hear them.

So far only 1 person has commented on that in a mature manner. The other person choose to ignore the message I was trying to convey.
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If you notice who's been commenting on this thread, you'll know this thread is under close scrutiny by a bunch of atheist trolls. You come in firing questions and holding a possibly controversial view like this, you looked even to me as if you were one of them. As it is your fight with UW has indeed drawn the scumbags in.

unknown warrior and I don't share the same view on many things, but he is the Thread Starter and does us all a service administrating this little sanctuary in LYN. 1 way or another he is vaguely some kind of leader and knowing what that means for Christians, for that he ought to receive some due benefit of the doubt, even if not respect exactly. Do try to be nice to him.

Meanwhile in the interests of peace I do ask that you consider shelving the fight with UW or at least taking it to PM. Something that I think, unknown warrior, you should have done long before this.

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1) The Bible is an all Supreme document and guide for our life
2) The Bible is NOT the only source of guidance
3) God has also placed many Helpers in the world to help us in our journey to Him e.g the Church, parents, family, lay people, strangers, our 5 senses, our intelligence, etc
4) Christianity is NOT merely about a Church membership
5) Attending Church should be a personal decision one makes in defining his relationship with God. If he feels that going to Church doesn't give him that 'enhancement' then we should not judge him and start trying to force him back into the Church using fear tactics of eternal damnation.
6) A person may be having a much greater relationship with God compared to a person who obediently attends Church every week.
7) We should never judge a person's personal relationship with God based on his Church attendance.
8) Just because one does not profess to be a Christian does not mean he cannot be a Christian in the way he lives his life
9) A non Christian may be leading a more virtuous life than a Christian who reads & memorises the Bible but doesn't put it into practice
10) Just because one does not go to Church, doesn't mean a person is doomed
11) A person's damnation / salvation is decided based on how he lived his life. Not by a Church membership / non membership.
1) yes
2) hmm can count Holy Spirit too, okay
3) okay
4) okay
5) okay
6) sure
7) nonetheless, do not forsake the gathering of the saints
8) NO. subject to belief in a divine Jesus as the Saviour who died for our sins and rose again
9) doesn't make him saved. sorry.
10) refer caveats 8 and 9
11) refer caveat 8.

If you had started with this list from your first or second post, it would have saved you and everyone a lot of aggravation.
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post Nov 2 2016, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Nov 2 2016, 11:49 PM)
Perhaps others mentioned that your "difference of opinions" and Bible quoting, Salvation, etc is the factor of this bickering.  hmm.gif

Though I'm thinking how is that possible for a Christian to not look up to the Word of God for inspiration? Bar misinterpretation of course.

We are all of course still work in progress Christian, how the heck can we even achieve 100% understanding of the Bible?

Given the fact that most of us are working, studying, etc..To dedicate time to read (let alone understand) The Bible is not an easy process. It takes years.

Unless one just read the commentary. hehe...
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In the short time I've been lurking here, I notice that those people typically have... less than stellar behaviour themselves. A major symptom is being quick to anger when their views are objected against.

Someone even said that his angry retorts are proof that he is passionate about Christianity! amazing! doh.gif

So what happens is that UW will typically delete posts which are rude, and that is why they accuse him of censoring their ideas.

unknown warrior I think you should make it more clear that a certain level of behaviour will not be tolerated.

P.S. meanwhile I'm waiting for apologies and reconciliation efforts. I wonder how long I will have to wait.

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