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post May 23 2022, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ May 22 2022, 12:25 PM)
Banks don't need to boom la. Just need to grow their share price 5% every year and pay it as dividend I syukur liao tongue.gif
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Then if this the case, i think there is no reason for you to cheer hahaha. because, there are many shares out there also giving 5% (factor in dividend and capital appreciation) in the past 10 years cum

But if not mistaken someone did post regarding on maybank that it is a oil and gas proxy laugh.gif

Let's see how will maybank perform when oil and gas is back to usd60-70 level
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post May 23 2022, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(billy_overheat @ May 20 2022, 01:30 PM)
There are a lot more but it's in a choppy market. Up one day few days down. It doesn't hurt to wait till sentiment turns.

Qes seems leading in price but biz wise, it's not that impressive. They boasted about getting into manufacturing and now it's slowing down.

Some fans even cheered for it to be the next vitrox.
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Was referring to charts. it is a among the first one to break the downtrend. correct me if i am wrong.

Well, it cannot be the next vitrox because vitrox was in the right time and the right place when HP dump their AOI IP. i hate to admit when i was in the industry at that time, i knew nuts about investing and share market

QES has to ride on Applied Engineering business to capture future market share. and if Applied Engineering fails, they will too.

And since when new member are limited to 3 post per day? sweat.gif
zstan
post May 23 2022, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 22 2022, 11:00 PM)
LOL!!!

5% where got enough la..

might as well put in Epf.
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past 2 years more than 5% alhamdullilah

QUOTE(square2 @ May 23 2022, 09:16 AM)
Then if this the case, i think there is no reason for you to cheer hahaha. because, there are many shares out there also giving 5% (factor in dividend and capital appreciation) in the past 10 years cum

But if not mistaken someone did post regarding on maybank that it is a oil and gas proxy laugh.gif

Let's see how will maybank perform when oil and gas is back to usd60-70 level
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most of those shares have their prices continuosly decline as well including Maybank. all depends on which price you bought in
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post May 23 2022, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ May 23 2022, 10:11 AM)
past 2 years more than 5% alhamdullilah
You have my vote la... President of Tiger Bank Fansi club.... thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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post May 23 2022, 10:16 AM

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As long as I get my 5% .... hip hip hooray....no earnings growth never mind one!

Right zstan ??


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post May 23 2022, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(square2 @ May 23 2022, 09:24 AM)
Was referring to charts. it is a among the first one to break the downtrend. correct me if i am wrong.

Well, it cannot be the next vitrox because vitrox was in the right time and the right place when HP dump their AOI IP. i hate to admit when i was in the industry at that time, i knew nuts about investing and share market

QES has to ride on Applied Engineering business to capture future market share. and if Applied Engineering fails, they will too.

And since when new member are limited to 3 post per day?  sweat.gif
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it's an appropriate move to go into manufacturing but so far it has yielded nothing yet, hence the time is needed like i said before this

oh ya? nice weyy, ada insiders. do share more laugh.gif
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post May 23 2022, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 23 2022, 10:16 AM)
As long as I get my 5% .... hip hip hooray....no earnings growth never mind one! 

Right zstan ??
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early early sour laugh.gif
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post May 23 2022, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(billy_overheat @ May 23 2022, 10:18 AM)
early early sour  laugh.gif
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If making 5% or so is the target and the target is achieved, what's there to be sour?

Me? If like that, my no brain decision is to put that money into EPF.


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post May 23 2022, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 23 2022, 10:22 AM)
If making 5% or so is the target and the target is achieved, what's there to be sour?

Me? If like that, my no brain decision is to put that money into EPF.
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kwsp is better, sure win tongue.gif

sour = sarcastic tongue.gif

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post May 23 2022, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(billy_overheat @ May 23 2022, 10:31 AM)
kwsp is better, sure win  tongue.gif

sour = sarcastic  tongue.gif
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sour = sarcastic

Oh.... Free England!


Let me write it down big on my wall.

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post May 23 2022, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 23 2022, 10:16 AM)
As long as I get my 5% .... hip hip hooray....no earnings growth never mind one! 

Right zstan ??
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betul rclxm9.gif

better than certain companies 99999% growth then use the profits to do share buy backs at high prices tongue.gif
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post May 23 2022, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ May 23 2022, 10:56 AM)
betul rclxm9.gif

better than certain companies 99999% growth then use the profits to do share buy backs at high prices tongue.gif
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... and you are betul also....

but on the other hand, those early investors (or is it traders) who got in early, managed to untung few hundred % woh.....


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post May 23 2022, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ May 22 2022, 10:37 PM)
i don't care about the growth man. as long as the share price remains above my buying price and continue to give dividends i'm good laugh.gif
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Question for you. Will you ever cut loss on Maybank let's say it drops to 8.50 or 8.20? Or you will top up?
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QUOTE(zstan @ May 23 2022, 10:56 AM)
betul rclxm9.gif

better than certain companies 99999% growth then use the profits to do share buy backs at high prices tongue.gif
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Top glove ??? Soundvfamiliar
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post May 23 2022, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ May 23 2022, 10:56 AM)
betul rclxm9.gif

better than certain companies 99999% growth then use the profits to do share buy backs at high prices tongue.gif
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And of course this brings a very popular topic... 'consistent/constant' dividend stock vs 'growth stock'.

So would a 5 year time frame be a good test frame?

And of course the test subject will be Mayban vs TG. (yalah - outsider readers, yes of course, it's a totally unrelated stock sector but .... )

and here is the result so far..

which is the red hantam the blue kuat kuat...

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but then of course... I understand.... you are happy with just 5%. biggrin.gif


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post May 23 2022, 02:08 PM

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... and of course, even if we don't use glove stock...

how about Mayban versus a tech stock such MPI?

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post May 23 2022, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 23 2022, 12:29 PM)
And of course this brings a very popular topic... 'consistent/constant' dividend stock vs 'growth stock'.

So would a 5 year time frame be a good test frame?

And of course the test subject will be Mayban vs TG. (yalah - outsider readers, yes of course, it's a totally unrelated stock sector but .... )

but then of course... I understand.... you are happy with just 5%. biggrin.gif
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Entry are most important for both. Can't buta buta buy at whatever price.

But Maybank will be more forgiving stock if wrong.



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post May 23 2022, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ May 23 2022, 03:52 PM)
Entry are most important for both. Can't buta buta buy at whatever price.

But Maybank will be more forgiving  stock if wrong.
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OF COURSE!! That's without saying. laugh.gif

I had proven that last time, if you had bought Mayban at the peak prices and held the stock till now (if not mistaken, a holding period of 8 years?), one would have been sitting on losses despite collecting all the many, many, many dividends.

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But then.... somehow... such topic too sensitive for many.
Like the saying goes... in the stock market, many only want to see what they want to see....

even average down or whatever fancy name, such as DCA or what not...
many still will NOT accept that's a really foolish thing to do.
They won't accept the wisdom of when in a hole, best is to stop digging.


or like stocks like that one...
cooking the books...
but somehow...
ppl still want to bet on it...
then they complain that the bloody stock exchange is hopeless...nothing but shoplot stock exchange... laugh.gif laugh.gif

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post May 23 2022, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ May 23 2022, 03:52 PM)
Entry are most important for both. Can't buta buta buy at whatever price.

But Maybank will be more forgiving  stock if wrong.
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 23 2022, 04:04 PM)
OF COURSE!! That's without saying. laugh.gif

I had proven that last time, if you had bought Mayban at the peak prices and held the stock till now (if not mistaken, a holding period of 8 years?), one would have been sitting on losses despite collecting all the many, many, many dividends.

whistling.gif
But then.... somehow... such topic too sensitive for many.
Like the saying goes... in the stock market, many only want to see what they want to see....

even average down or whatever fancy name, such as DCA or what not...
many still will NOT accept that's a really foolish thing to do.
They won't accept the wisdom of when in a hole, best is to stop digging.
or like stocks like that one...
cooking the books...
but somehow...
ppl still want to bet on it...
then they complain that the bloody stock exchange is hopeless...nothing but shoplot stock exchange...  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Agree Maybank is a more forgiving stock. Buying Maybank at peak, after factor in dividend payout, will be sitting at green
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post May 23 2022, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ May 23 2022, 03:52 PM)
Entry are most important for both. Can't buta buta buy at whatever price.

But Maybank will be more forgiving  stock if wrong.
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LOL!!

I remembered. You were the one I mentioned, where is the meat for Maybank back in 2019. whistling.gif

Anyway, back to the issue of comparison. It's a random 5 year back comparison. And that's what I always do and will continue to do.

Why? Cause it's random and I am not handpicking the prices.

So if say, end Oct, if someone asks me the same thing, the process is still the same.

Open the chart, say Maybank, I will then just the stock I want to compare with. Set the time frame to 5 years.

That's it.

That's my sop for comparison. Randomly as possible.

That's how I do it. So in a sense it's not buta buta buy at whatever prices.


ps.. Dig up my old posting. You will lose money if you simply buta buta buy at wherever prices, despite the dividends. Dividend investing is a fallacy. You cannot simply buta buta buy and pray and hope that the stock market is forgiving.


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