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post Dec 30 2020, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(Bendan520 @ Dec 30 2020, 05:38 PM)
Tomorrow will have better deal. Wait for tmr morning see.
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Almost everyone I spoke to intends to buy tomorrow.
Retail inflow pending.

QUOTE(zstan @ Dec 30 2020, 05:58 PM)
That supermax show.. Damn. Anybody snagged at 5.9?!:lol:
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You might get the opportunity for a better entry price tomorrow. Who knows?

QUOTE(Kadaj @ Dec 30 2020, 05:59 PM)
I will have my burger and french fries ready 15 mins before market close tmr.
Gonna see what's going happen at the end of year 2020. devil.gif
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My coffee ready for 9pm to watch the SPMX show.
And tea ready at 4.30pm for the year end fireworks. Hopefully there will be fireworks.

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post Dec 30 2020, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(Bendan520 @ Dec 30 2020, 04:37 PM)
Anyone here holding TASCO?
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Bail already during 2.80 time, felt that it is kinda expensive for a logistic company.

Also they don't have much air freights.


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post Dec 30 2020, 06:33 PM

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For supermax i think people are trying to escape before the dividend disbursement, as after that there will be some wishing to cash out.

Sentiment wise, the best breakout for glove would be the mutated covid strain in UK. Even mutated strain did not move the price much, this basically mean the momentum is more or less gone.

Unless something goes horribly wrong with Vaccine. Then maybe.
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post Dec 30 2020, 06:37 PM

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RECAP...

PSS is already on.
RSS will come on on 4 Jan 2021.
IDSS will come on 1 mar 2021.
https://www.bursamalaysia.com/trade/trading...d_short_selling

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Ban on regulated short-selling to be lifted on Jan 1, but intraday short-selling prohibited until Feb 28

“The daily gross short position limit for approved securities will be temporarily reduced from 3% to 2%; and a new cap of 4% on RSS aggregated net short position will be introduced,” the statement showed.
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/sc-b...d-short-selling



just wondering... if recovery is slow and weak... which bank or plantation or O&G is best to short?! laugh.gif



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post Dec 30 2020, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Dec 30 2020, 12:29 PM)
A little bit of news on Alibaba. Seemed like Alibaba is now in reconciliation mode with the government.

I see this as good progress, and hope Ant Financial will now be more stable and regulated for better growth to be in line with the Chinese government framework.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/27/ant-group...cial-clampdown/

https://www.scmp.com/business/banking-finan...-suspended-us37

Keep holding, BABA should be worth equivalent / more than Amazon in capitalization. I hope to see that being true in the future.
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bad news for me. Jack Ma's USD $10bil share buy back is bad for me. Guess I need to fight for the shares harder. shakehead.gif


QUOTE(theberry @ Dec 30 2020, 12:31 PM)
29 is not there yet.
As bursa is a public listed company in Malaysia, these crucial info should be there on time. Today 30almost noon Dy, and yet 29 data is not there yet. Meaning to say that They are incompetent,
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Ya. Something fishy fishy huh? biggrin.gif


QUOTE(statikinetic @ Dec 30 2020, 01:40 PM)
Top Glove founder bumps up stake to 34.8%, share price up in morning trading

KUALA LUMPUR (Dec 30): Top Glove Corp Bhd, which suspended its trading for an hour this morning, drew the public's attention to a filing showing its executive chairman Tan Sri Lim Wee Chai has bought an additional 3.29 million shares at an average price of RM6.07 yesterday.

The latest share purchase has bumped up his direct shareholding to 26.2% in the glove manufacturer. Meanwhile, he also holds an indirect stake of 8.62%. His total shareholding is 34.82%.

Top Glove's share price opened higher at 10am on Bursa Malaysia after a one-hour trading halt and climbed to RM6.23 against yesterday’s closing of RM6.01 — the lowest level since early July. As at noon break, it closed at RM6.11 with 13.8 million shares traded.

Including the latest transaction, Top Glove founder Lim has spent RM69.72 million to mop up shares on the open market in December when the share price has been on the decline most of the month, no thanks to the Covid-19 outbreak among its foreign factory workers and news on the poor conditions at its worker dormitories.

On Dec 14, Lim spent RM19.98 million to buy 3.1 million shares in Top Glove with an average price of between RM6.39 and RM6.49. On Dec 9 and 10, he bought 4.28 million shares for RM29.78 million in the price range of between RM6.93 and RM6.99.

Top Glove, meanwhile, has stopped its share buyback exercise in the past two weeks. Its last purchase was on Dec 14 when it bought back 576,900 shares for RM3.63 million.

Top Glove currently has 178.36 million treasury shares, according to the latest filing.

The group might have been mindful of its share buyback exercise considering that the 2% creeping threshold limit does apply to its controlling shareholder Lim, whose shareholding will increase in tandem as the group buys back more shares.

A company’s share capital is based on the number of voting shares, any treasury share will not be included.

Based on Asia Analytical’s calculation, Top Glove will have room to buy back an additional 89 million shares as of end-November before Lim hit the creeping rule threshold. 

In December, Top Glove so far bought back roughly 18.33 million shares in three trading days.
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/top-...morning-trading
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good spot but it's not important ya. thumbsup.gif


QUOTE(theberry @ Dec 30 2020, 05:23 PM)
skty done shopping? brows.gif
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no wor. Today I have long distance driving back to hometown.

Now on and see spmx drop below RM6. Very excited and happy. rclxm9.gif

Lucky DSST haven't initiate his SBB. Got money earn together ma. Not like TSL, keep SBB don't wanna let us earn. tongue.gif

For TG, still very stubborn at RM6.10. Saw yesterday huge buying from TSL and family. With all the insider knowledge and money available to invest on hand, rich gonna get richer. Damn.

What we can do is need to climb out from the rat race asap.

QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 30 2020, 06:37 PM)
RECAP...

PSS is already on.
RSS will come on on 4 Jan 2021.
IDSS will come on 1 mar 2021.
https://www.bursamalaysia.com/trade/trading...d_short_selling
just wondering... if recovery is slow and weak... which bank or plantation or O&G is best to short?! laugh.gif
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majority still don't know what is PSS, RSS and IDSS and the difference between them.

some of the panic selling are because of worrying about PSS, RSS and IDSS.

it's a good time to take advantage of it. thumbsup.gif

This post has been edited by skty: Dec 30 2020, 06:54 PM
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post Dec 30 2020, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 30 2020, 06:37 PM)
RECAP...

PSS is already on.
RSS will come on on 4 Jan 2021.
IDSS will come on 1 mar 2021.
https://www.bursamalaysia.com/trade/trading...d_short_selling
just wondering... if recovery is slow and weak... which bank or plantation or O&G is best to short?! laugh.gif
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Good topic to kick the ball around for a bit.
My pick would be O&G. It's gained quite a bit since the vaccine recovery and the expectation is that it'll continue back to normalcy. An interruption which plunges the world back into uncertainty is going to to hammer the industry hard. Not to forget that oil producers had agreed to a supply cut. It wasn't easy and member countries are chomping at the bit to ramp up supply, if world events reverses the recovery trend we could see one or two nations start running up the supply. Weakening demand and falling prices for oil is a big matchstick in the oil well.


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post Dec 30 2020, 06:58 PM

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Hi all, so when is the last day for the supermax and topglove warrant calculation? Today or tomorrow? Thank you for the info.
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post Dec 30 2020, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Dec 30 2020, 06:54 PM)
Good topic to kick the ball around for a bit.
My pick would be O&G. It's gained quite a bit since the vaccine recovery and the expectation is that it'll continue back to normalcy. An interruption which plunges the world back into uncertainty is going to to hammer the industry hard. Not to forget that oil producers had agreed to a supply cut. It wasn't easy and member countries are chomping at the bit to ramp up supply, if world events reverses the recovery trend we could see one or two nations start running up the supply. Weakening demand and falling prices for oil is a big matchstick in the oil well.
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i got all the IDSS info from my broker some months ago.

there is still 2 more months before IDSS is allowed, i will likely get the account ready.

and yes, O&G, properties, even banks are likely to get some real shit if recovery is not forthcoming. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Angelpoli @ Dec 30 2020, 06:58 PM)
Hi all, so when is the last day for the supermax and topglove warrant calculation? Today or tomorrow? Thank you for the info.
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today is last of 5 days for that for CIMB's CWs:

TG c77
harta c44
spmx c91, c96

there is zero trading done for all these 3 but we dun know how many are in or out of the money.

the last few minutes of spmx trade - what it means - we'll see tmr if there will be a rebound or continued rout.

nothing happened to TG n harta, though.

so, like everyone else, let's watch the show tmr morning, with a big cuppa! biggrin.gif



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post Dec 30 2020, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(Bendan520 @ Dec 30 2020, 04:37 PM)
Anyone here holding TASCO?
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Tasco break rm3. Haha. Scary la this counter balik2 breaking the MA20 line
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QUOTE(skty @ Dec 30 2020, 06:49 PM)
bad news for me. Jack Ma's USD $10bil share buy back is bad for me. Guess I need to fight for the shares harder.  shakehead.gif
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The buy backs don't really do much impact. It's just an announcement, an indication that management think their stock is cheap.

Some management may have wrong perception of value and some maybe right. Ultimately share price determine whether their decision is right or wrong.

Some company announced buybacks and their share plunged. As investor feel they are misusing their cash reserve. You see if an O&G/travel leisure company announce buybacks at this point, their investor confirm punish them. So it's very dependent on situation.

Anyway BABA rise cause many see value in it, like you and me. I have bought enough during the plunge, now I will just passively see where it goes. I do hope it at least reach amazon valuation tho.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 30 2020, 07:06 PM)
today is last of 5 days for that for CIMB's CWs:

TG c77
harta c44
spmx c91, c96

there is zero trading done for all these 3 but we dun know how many are in or out of the money.

the last few minutes of spmx trade - what it means - we'll see tmr if there will be a rebound or continued rout.

nothing happened to TG n harta, though.

so, like everyone else, let's watch the show tmr morning, with a big cuppa! biggrin.gif
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I see. Thanks for the info. Let's see how it goes tomorrow. The sudden dump is scary.
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post Dec 30 2020, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 30 2020, 07:00 PM)
i got all the IDSS info from my broker some months ago.

there is still 2 more months before IDSS is allowed, i will likely get the account ready.

and yes, O&G, properties, even banks are likely to get some real shit if recovery is not forthcoming. tongue.gif
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personally I think what Bursa did is because Bursa still in infant stage.

they did that not mainly to protect the market, but to protect the majority of retailers.

longing already don't know the proper way, imagine they go shorting, infinite risk.

once IDSS is allowed, those funds have more way to make money from those who shorting.

funds can manipulate long, it's even easier to manipulate short.

but if you want to short, choose those business badly hit and prices are still way above their NTA/BV. Easier target.

good luck! thumbsup.gif


side note: I do hope there are retailers going to short glove sectors when IDSS is back, this will be another catalyst for the price increase. laugh.gif

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post Dec 30 2020, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 30 2020, 07:00 PM)
i got all the IDSS info from my broker some months ago.

there is still 2 more months before IDSS is allowed, i will likely get the account ready.

and yes, O&G, properties, even banks are likely to get some real shit if recovery is not forthcoming. tongue.gif
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Everyone will probably be in a tough spot if the recovery doesn't happen. With possibly the exception of glove supporters.
Banks are already prepping for the NPL wave. If I were to put my money on ONE industry to short the heck out if things goes south, it's definitely O&G. That is perched so precariously on the promise of a better tomorrow.

Personally, I'll adopt a wait & see approach on utilising IDSS. Wonder how much of the current landscape will change.
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QUOTE(skty @ Dec 30 2020, 07:17 PM)
longing already don't know the proper way, imagine they go shorting, infinite risk.

once IDSS is allowed, those funds have more way to make money from those who shorting.

funds can manipulate long, it's even easier to manipulate short.
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that, very well said! thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Dec 30 2020, 07:19 PM)
Everyone will probably be in a tough spot if the recovery doesn't happen. With possibly the exception of glove supporters.
Banks are already prepping for the NPL wave. If I were to put my money on ONE industry to short the heck out if things goes south, it's definitely O&G. That is perched so precariously on the promise of a better tomorrow.

Personally, I'll adopt a wait & see approach on utilising IDSS. Wonder how much of the current landscape will change.
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local O&G is sensitive to the global oil prices.

with WTI and Brent still around +-$50, our O&G counters may not falter so easily.

if crude prices go nearer $40, that will be the time.

so, gotta watch the bigger picture - if the recovery is forthcoming in the developed world.

and that brings us back to... are the trillions of new $ incl coming free $2000 for americans going to help drive oil and equities higher and higher.

or a crash is imminent.... big question...??
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 30 2020, 07:26 PM)
local O&G is sensitive to the global oil prices.

with WTI and Brent still around +-$50, our O&G counters may not falter so easily.

if crude prices go nearer $40, that will be the time.

so, gotta watch the bigger picture - if the recovery is forthcoming in the developed world.

and that brings us back to... are the trillions of new $ incl coming free $2000 for americans going to help drive oil and equities higher and higher.

or a crash is imminent.... big question...??
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The industry is banking on the recovery to generate the expected demand so oil prices don't dip.
The first sign of that faltering demand would be the price, you are right.

Then OPEC's recent agreement starts to go under pressure as individual countries may surrender to local pressure and go rogue with supply.
Entire economies of some countries are reliant on oil.

On the topic of the trillions of new dollars printed in the US.....that's a whole story in itself!
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 30 2020, 07:00 PM)
i got all the IDSS info from my broker some months ago.

there is still 2 more months before IDSS is allowed, i will likely get the account ready.

and yes, O&G, properties, even banks are likely to get some real shit if recovery is not forthcoming. tongue.gif
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Never tried short selling, so need to create another share account for it?

Warrants can use normal share account?
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post Dec 30 2020, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(skty @ Dec 30 2020, 06:49 PM)
bad news for me. Jack Ma's USD $10bil share buy back is bad for me. Guess I need to fight for the shares harder.  shakehead.gif
Ya. Something fishy fishy huh?  biggrin.gif
good spot but it's not important ya. thumbsup.gif
no wor. Today I have long distance driving back to hometown.

Now on and see spmx drop below RM6. Very excited and happy.  rclxm9.gif

Lucky DSST haven't initiate his SBB. Got money earn together ma. Not like TSL, keep SBB don't wanna let us earn.  tongue.gif

For TG, still very stubborn at RM6.10. Saw yesterday huge buying from TSL and family. With all the insider knowledge and money available to invest on hand, rich gonna get richer. Damn.

What we can do is need to climb out from the rat race asap.
majority still don't know what is PSS, RSS and IDSS and the difference between them.

some of the panic selling are because of worrying about PSS, RSS and IDSS.

it's a good time to take advantage of it.  thumbsup.gif
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post Dec 30 2020, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Dec 30 2020, 07:09 PM)
The buy backs don't really do much impact. It's just an announcement, an indication that management think their stock is cheap.

Some management may have wrong perception of value and some maybe right. Ultimately share price determine whether their decision is right or wrong.

Some company announced buybacks and their share plunged. As investor feel they are misusing their cash reserve. You see if an O&G/travel leisure company announce buybacks at this point, their investor confirm punish them. So it's very dependent on situation.

Anyway BABA rise cause many see value in it, like you and me. I have bought enough during the plunge, now I will just passively see where it goes. I do hope it at least reach amazon valuation tho.
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a coin has two faces.

actually nothing to do with what the management think it's worth.

it's what we think it's worth. If we think it's worth and we hope to collect on cheap, SBB is bad for us.

simple as that.

so I don't like Alibaba SBB as it will spoil my planning. shakehead.gif

but if Alibaba bearish sentiment continue, it will provide another opportunity to buy low and sell at SBB price, just like what I did with TG around 7.5x laugh.gif

This post has been edited by skty: Dec 30 2020, 08:03 PM

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