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Yggdrasil
post Sep 20 2019, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(infested_ysy @ Sep 17 2019, 04:33 PM)
How do you guys DCA for stocks? I’m on Rakuten trade, and I’m tempted to just DCA like RM1000 on stocks every week, but the transaction and broker fees is like rm12 each time I buy that little.

What’s the optimum amount I should buy each transaction to minimise the fees lost?
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Sep 20 2019, 11:37 AM)
I don't DCA for stocks. That's like investing blindly.

I set RMxxx capital to start and then invest. Later add on capital when have more money or receive dividends.

Optimum for Rakuten is RM 9,999. Coz brokerage is RM8 at that value.
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Well, it is better to DCA if it helps remove the 'buyer's remorse'
Meaning let's say you want to buy Maybank.

Example:

Maybank is RM10 per share today.

Situation I: You want to buy 1,000 of Maybank in a single transaction to save RM80 fees.

Situation II: You choose to DCA across 2 days. Today and tomorrow. It cost you additional RM80 in trading cost.

Tomorrow turns out Maybank price is RM9.50 per share.

Total cost incurred (Situation I): 1,000 x RM10 = RM10,000
Total cost incurred (Situation II): 500 x RM10 + 500 x RM9.50 + RM80 = RM9,830

Difference is RM170.

Do note that it can work the other way. Meaning you lose potential gains by DCA. So, DCA only if it helps you sleep at night to remove the 'buyer's remorse' feeling.

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post Sep 20 2019, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Sep 20 2019, 08:45 PM)
Well, it is better to DCA if it helps remove the 'buyer's remorse'
Meaning let's say you want to buy Maybank.

Example:

Maybank is RM10 per share today.

Situation I: You want to buy 1,000 of Maybank in a single transaction to save RM80 fees.

Situation II: You choose to DCA across 2 days. Today and tomorrow. It cost you additional RM80 in trading cost.

Tomorrow turns out Maybank price is RM9.50 per share.

Total cost incurred (Situation I): 1,000 x RM10 = RM10,000
Total cost incurred (Situation II):  500 x RM10 + 500 x RM9.50 + RM80 = RM9,830

Difference is RM170.

Do note that it can work the other way. Meaning you lose potential gains by DCA. So, DCA only if it helps you sleep at night to remove the 'buyer's remorse' feeling.
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Splitting your trade into 2 is not DCA to me.

DCA is buying regularly fixed amount at regular intervals over a long period of time. Eg buying RM1k worth of Maybank share monthly.

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post Sep 20 2019, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Sep 20 2019, 09:27 PM)
Splitting your trade into 2 is not DCA to me.

DCA is buying regularly fixed amount at regular intervals over a long period of time. Eg buying RM1k worth of Maybank share monthly.
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You don't get my point. I'm just showing an example.

Sometimes one lump sum can be dangerous especially when you mistime your point of entry.

For example, my recent regret not to DCA was few months ago. I had RM15,000 and wanted to invest in Takaful. I bought immediately after their excellent quarterly results at RM6.75. I entered whole lump sum of RM15,000.

Few days later, Takaful dropped to RM6.00. Turns out EPF was working with a competitor "FWD Takaful".

The loss is greater than the transaction fees saved. In conclusion, strike a balance between DCA and your savings in transaction fee. To be honest, people who whine about transaction fees should stick to f.ds. Trying to save a few RM10 is on transaction fees is stupid when you can easily lose a few RM100s.

Additional information that maybe interesting:

There's a research done by Vanguard that shows one lump sum investment into an index is better than DCA across 12+ months.

However, do note that their research is based on an index. A stock is more volatile and you might want to DCA your way in.
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post Sep 21 2019, 12:17 AM

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u mean like average down when the price is retrace right..

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post Sep 23 2019, 12:12 AM

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with low interest rate, and further interest rate cut, does it help the property market in m'sia?

I've some property stocks....
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post Sep 23 2019, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Sep 23 2019, 12:12 AM)
with low interest rate, and further interest rate cut, does it help the property market in m'sia?

I've some property stocks....
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BNM only cut 0.25%. I don't think that will make much difference on buyers. N no confirmation yet of any further cuts in near future.

Better wait to see if there are any goodies at Budget 2020.

This sector also start to come into my radar, as valuations are quiet low. At the moment, my take is still not yet. Wait for further catalyst. .

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post Sep 25 2019, 09:38 PM

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Bursa Malaysia website down? I can’t access yesterday and today
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post Sep 26 2019, 09:41 AM

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Layhong good buy??? Buy and hold strategy.
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post Sep 26 2019, 02:56 PM

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Is there any alternative to Stock.cafe?

I want to track my portfolio return ....
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post Sep 27 2019, 08:30 AM

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Malaysia still remain in the index but we put into watch list to monitoring closely

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post Sep 27 2019, 10:25 AM

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M1 finance allows the user to choose the ETF.

Is there any Robo-adviser that allows us to choose the ETF?
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post Sep 27 2019, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Sep 27 2019, 10:25 AM)
M1 finance allows the user to choose the ETF.

Is there any Robo-adviser that allows us to choose the ETF?
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U be the robot la.. U can choose..😆


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post Oct 25 2019, 12:43 PM

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Im looking at MFLOUR via KenTrade:
The commentary says what does "RSI is also showing an overbought condition which indicates some retracement may take place...."
By retracement, do they mean the price may go down ..which I don't get as being overbought, shouldnt price go up?

Can some sifus enlighten me plz,
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QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Oct 25 2019, 12:43 PM)
Im looking at MFLOUR via KenTrade:
The commentary says what does "RSI is also showing an overbought condition which indicates some retracement may take place...."
By retracement, do they mean the price may go down ..which I don't get as being overbought, shouldnt price go up?

Can some sifus enlighten me plz,
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Overbought here means the RSI is saying price has gone up too rapidly in a short period of time, so be careful to enter as there is potential to fall.

Having said that, prices can be overbought or oversold for extended periods before they "retrace".

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post Oct 25 2019, 11:02 PM

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ah ok...thanks Cubalagi
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post Oct 29 2019, 11:18 PM

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Bursa (1818) profits dropped 26.5%

https://www.malaymail.com/news/money/2019/1...e-in-q3/1804886

Malaysian brokers must be really suffering..

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post Nov 13 2019, 10:22 AM

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Hi All,

im currently exploring other options for trading platform (apart from my current Maybank direct CDS) which is abit pricey in terms of brokerage fee.

Im seeing Hong Leong or CIMB per say, any thoughts on this?

Thank you.
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post Nov 13 2019, 11:34 AM

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how much is maybank brokerage?
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QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Nov 13 2019, 11:34 AM)
how much is maybank brokerage?
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if not mistaken, 0.1% of transaction fee or RM 12 minimum
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post Nov 13 2019, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(bmwcaddy @ Nov 13 2019, 10:22 AM)
Hi All,

im currently exploring other options for trading platform (apart from my current Maybank direct CDS) which is abit pricey in terms of brokerage fee.

Im seeing Hong Leong or CIMB per say, any thoughts on this?

Thank you.
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Are u looking at cash upfront or collateralized trading account?

QUOTE(bmwcaddy @ Nov 13 2019, 11:43 AM)
if not mistaken, 0.1% of transaction fee or RM 12 minimum
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That's not too bad. CGS Cimb charges the same for cash upfront online trading.

I noticed quite a number of brokers are charging 0.1% for cash upfront online trading account. The diffrenciator for cash upfront online will then be minimum brokerage.

This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Nov 13 2019, 01:00 PM

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