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post Jan 29 2021, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Jan 29 2021, 09:29 AM)
Ohh...sounds abit like childish play...so retailers will sell very soon before the price gets even higher, yes?
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Because almost everyone knows there is no short squeezing here, just buy high sell higher
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post Jan 29 2021, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(SK_SK_001 @ Jan 29 2021, 09:30 AM)
Noted with thanks !!!
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No worries, just compare malaysian banks with banks etf, singapore banks. Malaysian banks underperforming them a lot. And with their PE and PBs at historical low.
But not all banks are cheap, like PBB is ridiculously expensive IMO. Do your own DD

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post Jan 29 2021, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(lauwenhan @ Jan 29 2021, 04:32 PM)
TBH today's market quite red. Apart from TopGlove, all sectors are red if you look closely.Red on low volume. Aka Hanging man formation blah blah blah.

Only the HSI and S&P warrants are green. And those are put/bearish warrants.
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Everything is dropping, but possible to drop more. S&P500 weekly chart is quite overbought
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post Jan 29 2021, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Jan 29 2021, 04:54 PM)
How bro? Still confident to hold?
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https://www.google.com/search?q=vaneck+vect...chrome&ie=UTF-8
This semicon ETF was dropping from 21 Jan, but just rebounded yesterday

https://www.google.com/search?q=tsmc+share+...chrome&ie=UTF-8
TSMC dropping since 21 Jan, still no sign of rebounding, but rebounded yesterday in nyse exchange

https://www.google.com/search?ei=W88TYLTqN9...&sclient=psy-ab

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post Jan 29 2021, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Jan 29 2021, 05:18 PM)
But Apple dropped after QR report hahaha
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Maybe cause the entire S&P500, Nasdaq and DJIA are quite overbought

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post Jan 30 2021, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(howyoulikethat @ Jan 30 2021, 06:08 PM)
I realised someone in the Telegram group asked a legit question. If all retailers keep buying & don't sell until RM10, who is going to buy at RM10 levels?  hmm.gif No wonder someone here mentioned before (sorry I forgot who), it most probably will be small fish retailers buying at high prices, and selling to other small fishes.

When no more people are buying at higher levels, big fish might seize the chance to short-sell again, perhaps with stronger force. It depends on next week. My prediction is if Supermax breaks the "glove jinx", all gloves may soar further. The sharks may push the prices higher next week, to short-sell it bigger this time. Just my crazy thoughts though, of course I hope gloves rise so that I can escape w/o losses.  sweat.gif
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Which is why I say there is no significant short squeezing here, but rather a buy high with the hope to sell higher to the next guy scenario before the time bomb explodes, and we all know the timeframe for this time bomb.
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/hart...t-target-prices
Hartalega Holdings Bhd’s earnings growth is expected to remain strong in 2021, according to investment analysts, but some of them have trimmed their target prices (TPs) considering the supply-demand conditions and average selling prices (ASPs) to normalise not far from now.

Like we discussed long ago, analysts will have to continue to lower TP over time because TP is given based on next 12-18 months, next quarter TP will be even lower and so on. It just started dropping ahead of analysts' TP lowering because people knew about this (maybe because it is an extremely crowded trade, hence there were a lot of pros like Mr Boon studied it and signaled the red flag early)

The longer you hold, the higher the risk you are taking not being able to pass it to the next guy.

Hence, the price should be adjusted down with time as the risk is increasing over time UNTIL it has fully reflected the earnings normalization beyond 2022, then it is good to go in.

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post Jan 30 2021, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 30 2021, 07:50 PM)
u shud then also ask the question if public bank crosses rm5, who is going to buy it.

meaning any counter that goes high, some stupid retailer will get to hold the bag?! laugh.gif

if u haven't noticed, the shorties are now going after this counter.
or like some, banks can never go wrong, sure make big profit?

while some others sure will go bust?
therein lies the big factor - what do u think drives stock price... short term, mid term, long term.

and the answer isn't always there, is it?

if it is, there can't be poor people on earth.
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the shorties are now going after this counter.

I think they are wise to short this counter, PBB shot up just because of bonus splits... Also, it is one of the most premium banks in the market. Super expensive compared to other banks,
In fact, it is wise to short all bank counters when their next QRs are still going to be under pressured (moratorium was extended until Dec, the cash flow was limited for them to make new loan, confirm still no significant earnings growth) especially when there is no buying interest now for banks. Shorting the banks can EASILY trigger panic for uninformed investors, when the next QR is out.
AIYA, siao liao these sohai banks' earnings still havent go back to pre-covid meh? DIE LIAO, USELESS CON COUNTERS, SELL AH!!

Source for under-pressured QR: https://themalaysianreserve.com/2021/01/27/...rnings-in-4q20/

Yes their GIL is one of the lowest with one of the highest ROE. But to me, PBB is just too pricey to buy, when there are better bank counters out there in the market.

banks can never go wrong, sure make big profit?

Banks went bad with the loan loss provisioning and OPR cut, reflected in their last 2 QRs. Some say will cut again, some say wont. If OPR if cut again, BIMB and ABMB will be affected the most. The next upcoming QR in Feb is also going to be underpressured as mentioned above, with small improvements shown below
The NIM is recovering, and loan loss provision should be less already especially for the banks that front loaded a lot last 2 quarters. IF cut again, NIM will take sometime to recover again, but the impact will be smaller if cut again (only .25) when last year was a 1.25 (5 times that the upcoming potential cut) in 8 months period (3 to 1.75). Also, this low loan interest environment will not last too long, OPR is expected to hike in 2021Q4.

Source OPR HIKE: https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...-banking-sector
When it rises, sectors with abnormally inflated valuation will definitely start falling down IF they havent fall before OPR starts hiking.

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post Jan 30 2021, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 30 2021, 11:03 PM)
QUOTE(HereToLearn @ Jan 30 2021, 09:07 PM)

not disagreeing with u but i think u r emerging as aisperempuan - everything is f'ed. biggrin.gif

is there anything that u r optimistic enuf to put yr money on now?
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LOL, bought abit of ambank knowing that the worse is over for banks so gave a higher entry than march low - which is still below my FA entry, but only to see it plunge lower sweat.gif

But I think my entry timing was fcked, I bought when US index was in overbought territory, I should have waited for US stocks to plunge and enter lower

Now considering some reits too

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post Jan 30 2021, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 30 2021, 11:22 PM)
thanks for sharing.

banks, i think not a good time to be in, not until most consumer spending recover.

reits, i had a few good years with SGreits, but left MYreits before that.

been watching plantations for a while, still watching...
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Also looking at plantation, the long forgotten sector thumbsup.gif

QUOTE(statikinetic @ Jan 30 2021, 11:30 PM)
I noted the use of past tense.
Which ones are you considering?
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Looking at a few, but with US index plunging, I dont dare to fire bullet, maybe wait US index plunge a bit more 1st
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post Jan 30 2021, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(New Klang @ Jan 30 2021, 11:39 PM)
Reits. Interesting.
Yes. More than 20 years ago.
US is over bought, KLSE too. Oops, I better clear my last stock next week.
More than 20 years ago.
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I think KLSE is almost in the oversold region, just that US in the overbought zone might affect us indirectly too
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post Jan 31 2021, 01:58 AM

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QUOTE(bakayaro11 @ Jan 31 2021, 01:23 AM)
Sorry what do you mean
Interest rates still low right? 10 years treasury yield also increased. Gold price also didn't increase much. Hmmm 🤔 so where did the money flow to?
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He is saying the market is still sky high.

US valuation is very expensive. The survey did by BofA shows that global fund manager is positioning heavily on emerging market (as of Jan 2021), maybe because US market is too expensive
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post Jan 31 2021, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(Kar Weng @ Jan 31 2021, 04:22 AM)
Which REIT is good in the current situation? Are they still giving out dividends as fat as pre-covid days?
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Bad only have the chance to buy low, when good, already expensive and chase high
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post Jan 31 2021, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(New Klang @ Jan 31 2021, 01:23 PM)
I am ashamed to admit my mistake in believing fundamental analysis must eventaully prevail. I believe the truth will set me free and good fundamental will eventualy prevail. As a result, I did not sell my holdings. About 80% of my holding is Supermax and 20% is Top Glove.

I should have sold some of my holdings ealier. Now is too late to sell because each of them has already dropped about 40% from its recent peak.
http://koonyewyin.com/2021/01/20/price-chart-prevails/
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Because his FA is not forward looking enough, his FA is on peak earnings and does not account for the almost inevitable earnings drop after that

Or maybe, his FA is biased like what mentioned below

QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 31 2021, 01:35 PM)
More like fundamental was interpreted or presented biasly or fraudulently.
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post Jan 31 2021, 08:32 PM

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https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/561110
Tuesday Mestron GG

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2021...rs-receive-jabs
Finally started... Kedah rclxm9.gif

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post Feb 1 2021, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(lauwenhan @ Feb 1 2021, 12:09 AM)
Advice to beginners: literally treat your money like numbers on a screen. You scared or panic? You lose the game. Hold the shares dearly if it’s a winner. Sell if it’s lower than your mental stop loss (never set stop loss because algos will drive down the share price to hit your stop loss and collect cheap shares). Move on to the next trade. The above is for active traders

Now for long term, Do your research on companies, if you like it too much, buy and delete brokerage app. Unfortunately, right now it is the worst time for long term investments because all the growth stocks have already lifted off and the rest are low PE low growth stocks such as consumer goods, O&G. Either wait for the next bear or spend the opportunity cost of investing in low risk companies or go crazy on hedges and shorts in anticipation of a market crash that would probably never even happen this year

TLDR: Do not go long term at the peak of bull market. If you bought growth stocks last year, great keep holding
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I like the advice 10/10, treating it as number will get rid of a lot of emotion.

Dont say so lol, the bubble might not pop, but might deflate. Deflating is painful enough if the entry price is high.
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post Feb 1 2021, 02:13 AM

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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Feb 1 2021, 01:39 AM)
Random comment, I see that most of us are night owls too, lol...is it habitual that you guys can't sleep easily or just cuz too much going on in your mind cuz of Covid?
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Hahaha, I am working :'). Have to submit things before deadline. Curi tulang here sometimes.

QUOTE(statikinetic @ Feb 1 2021, 01:50 AM)
Read an analysis piece on WSJ that the bubble isn't a big one enveloping the entire market, but a smaller one in general with localized areas that have been bubbling out of control.
Which generally means that the market is going to chug along with interest rates near zero, and danger bubbles are localized around specific stocks or industries. Like Tesla or GME.

What's your view on this?
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I totally agree with you on this. But when the dotcom bubble burst, nothing was spared. Value stocks dropped too despite less.

Most prolly because of the sentiment shift. IF somehow we have a rotational play this time with no bubbles popping, but a slow bubble deflation that rotates the fund to a different sector (while keep the index alive), then maybe we wont be experiencing a crash.

But US stocks are too overvalued, a crash might not happen, but a correction is definitely inevitable. Just hoping that the correction will not affect our market sentiment here.

Good news, I did not hear about MCO extension in PM' speech just now, also Prihatin wilayah announced. Can someone verify?

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post Feb 1 2021, 02:28 AM

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QUOTE(skty @ Feb 1 2021, 02:18 AM)
bull is still intact. Don't need to worry.

I am just capitalizing the 3 months correction. Don't wanna waste it.  devil.gif

lucky I got out from my long positions 1 week earlier than what the model tell me.  biggrin.gif

whether Covid disappear tomorrow or going on for years, the outcome is still the same. The model didn't even look at Covid.  tongue.gif
if TG price drop, do you think SPMX/Harta/Kossan price will surge?  brows.gif

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/202...olerance-in-u-s

I thanks Ray for reminding me of that symptom that I missed out.  devil.gif

I am just following what the model telling me. 3 big critical cycle (90yrs, 40yrs, 250yrs) converging, and so many small cycles also converging. So yeah, I will place a 99% bet on it.  biggrin.gif

I think the right question to ask is not that, it should be how big is it? 40%, 50%, 60%, 70%, 80%? Maybank RM3?  devil.gif
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A bit hard

RD' portfolio top 3 most concentrated sectors: 55.8% in the finance sector, 15.3% in consumer discretionary and 12.8% in consumer staples
https://finbox.com/ideas/ray-dalio

3 largest holdings are ETFs if anyone is interested: SPY, gold etf, emerging market etf

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Feb 1 2021, 09:05 AM)
That speech was more for Wilayah day rather than the MCO in general.
Expect the announcement on MCO and the CNY SOP by midweek.
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Thanks, no wonder I did not hear anything about MCO

QUOTE(wayton @ Feb 1 2021, 09:42 AM)
We only know the vaccine effect after a few months later due to slowness in vaccination and supply constraint.

Vaccination takes sometimes to develop immunisation.
It is not instant that like today vaccinated, then tomorrow or next week protected already.
It take few weeks up to month to develop proper immunisation.
Somemore it needs 2 doses that separate between few weeks.
So roughly near 1-2 months needed to have proper proportion of immunisation develop on vaccinated population.

The pandemic model developed by famous expert predict cases may only start to show sign of vaccination effect around or after March.

So we still need to wait for awhile to know the answer.
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We can just track US daily new cases to know if the vacs are effective, since they start jabbing earlier

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post Feb 1 2021, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Feb 1 2021, 09:59 AM)
We can also take a look across the Causeway at Singapore.
They have also started the vaccination process among their citizens. The government controls will make it easier to pinpoint vaccination weaknesses.

US has too many free radicals to get a clean view I feel.
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But singapore covid cases are already low to start with though, how do we know if it is effective? When they no longer need to wear their masks going out?
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QUOTE(skty @ Feb 1 2021, 12:12 PM)
Their portfolio is not for retailer to follow/copy.

Study the reason behind of their investment instead to learn anything new.

Their are so hand-tight.
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Not going to copy, but use their change in allocation as indicators.

RD has been selling SPY, China ETFs and buying EM ETFs.

Survey conducted by BofA too shows that fund managers
- increased their stakes in industrial, EMs, materials, commodities, discretionary, banks
- decreased their cash positions, staples, bonds, healthcare, energy and tech

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