They are correct it seems. They have retested it twice the input latency for 4k HDR is indeed 39ms , on the latest firmware at least.

Might have been a bug with the ALLM (auto low latency mode ) . LG has openly promised 13 ms for gamers before this , 39ms for HDR games is simply unacceptable especially when there are a lot of HDR games thesedays .



The past 2 months have basically been a nightmare for LG OLED engineers . There are a bunch of issues on the C8 which they have been fixing one after another . The Arrival of new OLED (and new batch of problems ) doesn't help either .



Within this OR next month . They have just opened a Flagship store on Lazada and east Malaysia.

This post has been edited by Convael: May 4 2019, 10:18 PM

No , a very big NO .

The 65"LG C8 can be found for around RM10k , so you are only saving a few hundred bucks at the compromises of Dolby Vision .

There are currently hundreds of UHD blurays and thousands of hours of TV shows mastered in Dolby vision on Netflix / Amazon , so it is definitely something worth considering.

A friend of mine from HLK has already received several 2019 models but they are not going to sell them yet .
Probably going to wait on stocks so they can jack up the price , typical .


On the bright side , I heard the C9 will be available in 77" this year for the first time in MY .

This post has been edited by Convael: May 27 2019, 07:22 PM

Good thing is they have finally fixed the 4K HDR input latency in the latest patch , the near black macro-blocking problems have also been internally patched on C9 .

The only minor QQ is no VRR support over the PC yet , other than that things are looking really good for the 2019 OLEDs.

This post has been edited by Convael: May 27 2019, 07:43 PM

The current price is already so low it almost makes getting a B8 not worth it , the C8 in MY are some of the lowest priced OLEDs on Earth .
I really don't think it will drop much lower than that .

The B8 is always lagging behind when it comes to updates , where the engineers have always been focusing on the C , E , W lines instead.

But the OLED panels general price will continue to drop , as LG fully ramping up its 10.5g fab production.


Between C9 and C8 , the difference in picture quality is minimal .
Of course , the C9 is more future proof since it is fully equipped with HDMI 2.1 ports .
This is especially beneficial to the gamers thanks to the further improved Input lag from Auto Low Latency Mode , where you can switch to any viewing mode and maintain the low input latency .

This post has been edited by Convael: May 28 2019, 01:50 PM

Exactly what I was talking about earlier , jacking the price up lol .

C9 is good but not RM3200 better than C8 .

The free 4K IPS Smart TV of LG has very little resell value , since their IPS TVs are rather unpopular compare to the other brand.

If you want to get a C9 just wait a little longer . For RM9999 you can probably get a 65 " of C8 .

This post has been edited by Convael: May 29 2019, 09:24 AM

B9 is not going to be in the market until later this year , by then you should be choosing between a C9 with massive discount or free sound bars and a B9 instead .

This post has been edited by Convael: May 31 2019, 02:11 PM

LG has told me , the official launch date for B9 is around August of 2019 . Considering the fact they probably have to spend time to localize the firmware , Q4 is the more realistic expectation.

I would be surprised if they are eating on their words now .

I was checking their flagship store on Lazada , B9 is yet to be found atm .
The Amazon UK and US also have them listed as " preorder " .


On the other hand , I saw desa home theatre was selling new 65" C8 for RM9800 with $200 petronas gift card .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 2 2019, 07:14 AM

It is assembled in Indonesia .
But the OLED panels came from Paju Korea , where the LGD Headquarter is .
Since then they have invested a lot of money onto a new 8.5g fab line in China , which is going to ramp up the current production rate by 200 %.

They also have a new 10.5g fab in Paju that is responsible for the larger sizes such as 65" and 77 " ++ Panels .
But no one outside of LGD knows when exactly it is going to be functional.


OLED TV also have to undergo basic calibration before shipping out, they are more accurate than most of the LCD out of the box . ( excluding some of those premium LCD finetuned by Sony and Samsung )

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 2 2019, 07:35 PM

Because the AF8/A8F is about to pull its curtain , preparing for the upcoming A9G and A8G .

Yes , solely for the price . Especially since all OLED tvs are relatively identical with each others , just get whichever that is the cheapest you can find .
( I am strictly talking about the Panasonic , LG , Sony and Philips / TP Vision , excluding the Chinese OLED TVs )

I have a fairly long list of issues with AF8 but if someone can find a new 65" OLED for $7999 I am not going to tell them NO .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 6 2019, 07:46 PM

I know there are always a lot of bickering that Sony is better at upscaling but in a very extensive research & discussion I had with CHD back then ,
Our conclusion is the upscaling quality in real life content between the major brands (Sony, Panasonic ,TP vision (Philips ), LG & Samsung ) are very identical .
Unless you are using a x30 magnifier to look at the screen , you will not notice any major difference.

**Samsung might look a little bit worse at times thanks to their silly overscanning , which can't be turned off but that is a topic for another day .

The Sony TV in general do have slightly better noise handling but that doesn't mean the other brands are bad .
Sony is just a bit better than the rest when it comes to image processing .


For gamers , between C8 and Af8 it will always be an C8.
Input latency on A8F is a little bit on the high side. The AF8 also dims the screen very aggressively whenever it finds static content on the screen.
Plus the long list of Dolby Vision raised black problems , no Dynamic tone mapping for HDR , slow OS updates , over restrictive ABL and dimming problems , the lousy remote control , random crashes from the already sluggish Android OS ...


If they are both listed at the same price , hard to recommend an A8F over C8 .


However the Sony AF9 , is a different story and fixed 90% of the complains I have with AF8 . It is my favorite OLED from 2018 but it is stupidly overpriced .
(The upcoming A9G will get downgraded rams , which means more of those annoying OS crashes when you have multiple apps opened)

If budget doesn't matter and you absolutely must get the best OLED out there , A9F will be my recommendation.
For most people , just pick up a C8 / C9 instead. And if you find an even cheaper deal for A8F , go for that instead . All of them will serve your purposes equally well .

We are trying to pick a bone in an egg here because we want people to understand the difference between brands , it shouldn't be turning you off from a great deal of OLED TV.
Whichever brand you get you will end up a winner , at the display department at least.

If you are upgrading from XF70 , you should notice a MASSIVE LEAP in picture quality.
Put on a few HDR demo and you should instantly notice a difference of day and night.
The infinite contrast from OLED TV also helps enhancing the look of lower quality content , making the edges of objects looking darker ( sharper )than it does on LCD TVs .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 8 2019, 11:24 PM

Kind of a bummer but that is the segment where they make the most profit .


The brands are well aware people who are going to buy premium TV of these sizes have a deep pocket to spare, especially in our market.

Those Samsung QLED 80" LCD TVs are retailing at crazy price tag of RM100k and RM300k , talk about overpricing.

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 8 2019, 10:55 PM

The LG's 2 years warranty are better than Sony's 5 years , as they do not cover Burn Ins .
LG is also the only one willing to replace the screen when I was unhappy with the uniformity problems .

Sony told me they are normal and I should move on with it.

P/S : TBM is selling C8 55' for RM6300.

This post has been edited by Convael: Jun 9 2019, 05:14 PM

Unfortunately that is still happening , Sony's dimming algorithm is more aggressive than other brands .


Screen dimming serves as part of the protective measurement against Burn-In so there is nothing you can do about it , not on Sony's TV at least .
A while ago , Sony has released patches to mitigate the issue but it wasn't very effective .


To be fair , these dimming effects shouldn't be very obvious unless you are watching high APL / very bright HDR scene.
If you are in a dim room , the TV brightness should be calibrated to around 100-120 cd/m2 anyway . ( brightness settings of around 9~10 on Sony's OLED and 33-40 on LG's OLED )
In that case you will not notice much of a brightness shifts when the TV is playing non-hdr content , be it ABL or static logo dimming .

Dimming effects are also less noticeable on the newer AF9 and AG9 models because they are not as bright as AF8 .

This post has been edited by Convael: Aug 15 2019, 11:16 PM

I don't think HDR is the cause of the motion sickness , as HDR and motion are not exactly related .

You may have been dazzled by the much higher brightness from the modern TV if you are upgrading from an old one , may take a while to get used to it .
The C8 is a decently bright TV and may reach 800-900 nits peak brightness for lower APL scenes .


Try turning off HDR entirely from the game setting to see if you are still experiencing the same issue .
If you still do , put on some ambient lighting while you are playing HDR games to ease on the strain to your eyes .

This post has been edited by Convael: Aug 16 2019, 08:25 PM

Is that a newly bought TV ?

Yes the newest Youtube update has caused the app to crash more often than it should on last year's LG TVs , particularly when watching higher resolution videos .

I have contacted them via email , perhaps it will be fixed in the near future .

This post has been edited by Convael: Sep 2 2019, 01:09 PM

Actually , not so much of an email rather than a nudge on Skype , 2 days ago . I just happened to know a few guys who work for the local LG and they are pretty efficient .


I have just received the lightning fast update as well , good for them . Does seems like youtube app is not crashing as often now , especially when playing 4K videos .

This post has been edited by Convael: Jan 3 2020, 11:42 PM

65 " and 55 " are the same , roughly 5 cm .