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post Nov 11 2018, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(evad14 @ Nov 10 2018, 08:09 PM)
How is this C8 compare to Samsung Q9FN? Is it worth to topup another 1500 for the Samsung?
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There is no comparison really , they are 2 very different technology . Can you really say an orange is better than an apple ?
The Q9FN and C8 are both excellent display screen and among the best you can buy with money as of today .

I wouldn't even call them TVs , because they are much more versatile than that .


You just need to understand the pros and cons to both technology , so you can get the one more suitable for your viewing habits .
They actually retail at a similar price in the other country , the LG OLED TVs are just cheaper in MY than many other places .


QUOTE(asciii @ Nov 10 2018, 06:41 AM)
The shop for the 1st link is located in Johor..will they deliver all the way to kl?

Any good price from physical store in kl? Wonder if desa home theatre has it..
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Yes they will , they put it up on Lazada afterall .

And to your second question , of course . I saw them (Desa Home Theatre) at almost every single launch event / debut for premium TVs.

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post Dec 6 2018, 12:31 PM

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LG's 2018 OLEDs have just received its newest firmware 4.10.15 in Malaysia as well , which will fix the HDR brightness fluctuation we discussed from previous page .

Currently available to download from LG's website or via webOS automatic update .

[04.10.15]
1. To improve that the subtitle is not displayed when HbbTV app in on. (except US Model)
2. Change HDR luminance curve. (webOS4.0 O18 Model)

A round of applause to LG for responding so quickly to the user's feedbacks . The time they took from receiving the complaint to actually solving the problems , is unprecedented .

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post Dec 6 2018, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Dec 6 2018, 04:35 PM)
Credit where it's due yes, but isn't the color gamut on the C8 (well entire 8 series) in game mode still locked to "Wide"? How in the world haven't they do anything about this?
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Because it isn't a very dire issue for them , or perhaps they don't think the color accuracy in game mode is as crucial as other viewing purposes. On /B7/C7 and B6/ C6 they are locked to Wide as well.
There are also the lip sync issues and hissing problems from the 77 inches models .

Some of these have persisted for years .


TV makers have been getting lazy , just like how Sony simply reuse their most accurate setting and marketing it as a new feature " Netflix mode ".
Still it took Panasonic 6 months + to do anything about the stutters on their TVs . While Sony is still struggling with their Dolby Vision and dimming problems on AF8 and A1E . The latest AF9 wouldn't even support HDR for youtube.

In general they aren't perfect , they are just doing better than the rivals .

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post Dec 12 2018, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(invisiblelim @ Dec 12 2018, 10:00 AM)
hmm.. this is the message i receive when i trying to watch any video..

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Like Netflix , a certain Amazon Prime movies ( such as Baywatch ) are unavailable in the Malaysia region.

They still have other shows available in the native prime apps from webOS , unfortunately we don't get as many selection as the USA region .

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post Dec 19 2018, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(Superodua @ Dec 19 2018, 09:19 AM)
Thinking to change my LED tv to OLED, but Sony, Panasonic or LG bestest & value for money ? Thanks notworthy.gif
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Refer to this discussion we had a while ago .
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post Dec 19 2018, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(eastherd @ Dec 19 2018, 03:43 PM)
For c8
Lazada is about RM6998 from shop name “electrical shop”
Best denki is RM7999
Best denki also has display set unit cost around RM4999

Anyone can share experience buying tv online esp lazada?

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You really shouldn't be buying a display set for OLED TVs .
They aren't like your regular TVs since the OLED screens are made of organic compounds , which translate into limited lifespan .


There's no telling how much longer the TVs will last since anyone can potentially enter the service menu to alter the total display times.
They could have been left to display demo and other purposes for 24/7 for over 2 years , the TV may still be working but due to the viewing patterns it may be more susceptible to burn-in and other problems .

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post Dec 24 2018, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(tishaban @ Dec 24 2018, 12:49 PM)
To be clear, EZ Credit can only be used to buy more stuff from Senheng, and max RM500 per transaction.
So if you have plans to buy RM1,150+ worth of stuff from Senheng over the next 12 months this is a good deal.

Otherwise the likes of Desa Home and Best Denki KLCC are selling outright for RM10,999

Also don't forget that CES 2019 is on Jan 9th 2019, all the major vendors will announce new TVs then although I don't expect that there'll be a huge change from the 2018 LG OLEDs.
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Announcement only , they don't usually release the TV until around middle of next year .


LG has already started teasing the 2nd generation of Alpha 9 processor , we will be seeing a 4 steps noise reduction with a separate gradient smoothing setting .


It is hard to say if there will be any big changes because the top emission OLEDS mass production has not yet been officially confirmed .
Previously DSCC was expecting LGD to move on to top emission OLEDs in 2019 but we haven't heard anything since then.

2019 will be the year of 8K TV , where TV brands will start to unveil their flagship 8k . Right now they are focused on increasing the current mass production numbers , from 8.5g to 10g line . If anything there should be a more dramatic price reduction for OLED based TVs and smaller size variance.


If by any chance , they have moved on to the top omission OLEDS , the next year OLEDs should see a pretty dramatic increase in terms of brightness due to improvement to the aperture ratio , expect to see an OLED TV with over 1000 ( or 1500 ) nits brightness . The better electro-optical efficiency should also allow more headroom for burn ins , not just increased brightness .


Not to mention , Samsung is planning a come back in the premium OLED market with their Quantum Dot BLUE OLEDs , which is said to be more efficient , even wider color gamut without the compromise of color saturation at high brightness , more resistant to burn - ins vs the typical WRGB OLEDs developed by LGD .


This was disclosed earlier in 2018 and kept in NDA until now.

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post Dec 25 2018, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(farsight @ Dec 25 2018, 01:21 PM)
Hi folks, please help urgently. At HN now and bought the 65 C8. Is it worth to pay another RM1K to extend the warranty from 2 to 5 years? It's a Xmas day offer apparently and the usual price to extend is RM2K.TQ!
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Up to you , do you see yourself getting a new TV within the 5period of 5 years ?


If the shop warranty also cover for burn-in occurrence , I would extend it .

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post Jan 5 2019, 02:16 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 3 2019, 03:11 PM)
LG unveils 2019 4K OLED TVs with HDMI 2.1 - C9, E9 & W9

LG has announced that its OLED TV line-up for 2019 will comprise the C9, E9, and W9 ranges with 4K resolution as well as B9 that will come a little later in the year. The company also confirmed that its first 8K OLED model will be the Z9.

HDMI 2.1 is the headlining feature. Increased bandwidth now allows for up to 4K at 120 frames per second – also referred to as High Frame Rate (HFR) – inputs via HDMI. Last year’s models also supported HFR but only via streaming input.

- "And through the inclusion of HDMI 2.1 ports, all 2019 OLED TVs and selected NanoCell TVs with ThinQ AI will support high frame rate (HFR). The result is smoother and clearer motion at 120 frames per second for better rendering of fast-action content such as sports and action movies," the company said.

In addition, HDMI 2.1 brings a number of other useful features to LG’s 2019 OLED TVs, including HDMI eARC that will enable lossless audio output (and pass-through) via the TV’s HDMI eARC port.

LG B9 will be equipped with a second-generation Alpha 7 processor while the other modes will sport a second-generation Alpha 9 processor. The TVs largely mimic last year’s designs but with some tweaks, the most prominent seen on C9 that has a more minimalistic – but still front-firing – speaker stand.

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LG C9, E9, and W9 have 4K resolution and support for four HDR formats (HDR10, HLG, Dolby Vision and Advanced HDR). The Korean company has so far chosen to ignore arch-rival Samsung’s HDR10+ format, arguing that it can achieve the same effect on the TV via dynamic tone-mapping processing.

There are no major changes to the actual OLED panel, produced by LG Display, but LG explains that will introduce an improved anti-reflective filter this year.

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HDMI VRR, lower input lag & improved motion
LG explains that the upgraded ”second-generation Alpha 9” video processor has improved algorithms for color and motion.

This includes an upgraded black frame insertion system called ’OLED Motion Pro’ that now operates at 100/120Hz (compared to 50/60Hz last year) and with shorter black frame cycle (25% vs. 50% last year). LG says the system eliminates flicker and maintains brightness, which were FlatpanelsHD’s two main concerns with the BFI system in the 2018 LG OLED models. Other improvements include a separate ”smooth gradation” picture setting that no longer reduces resolution.

Speaking of motion, LG confirms that the 2019 OLED models will support HDMI VRR (Variable Refresh Rate), which was first implemented in Samsung TVs and Xbox One S / X last year. It is an adaptive frame rate system that matches frame rate between console and TV in real-time for smoother gaming performance with lower lag. The TVs also support HDMI ALLM (Automatic Low Latency Mode) that automatically switches to the TV’s game mode whenever you load up a game on your Xbox One console. PlayStation 4 does not support VRR and ALLM at this time.

Outside of VRR, the TVs will deliver 13 ms input lag (in 1080p and 4K HDR), LG tells FlatpanelsHD. This is probably the lowest input lag on a TV today, depending on what competitors have achieved this year. Lastly, LG said that all calibration settings are now available in the Game picture mode and that a new Game setting can be engaged for all picture modes in the TVs.
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subac...l&id=1546474656
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Now, I'm damn glad I waited. This is pretty much everything I wanted in an OLED. VRR? Check. Sub 16ms input lag? CHECK! Being able to FULLY calibrate the display in Game mode?! SUPER CHECKED!!!  rclxm9.gif

That said, I'm still skeptical that this is the FULL HDMI 2.1 silicon in play here. VRR, eARC and ALLM all fits into HDMI 2.0's 18gbps bandwidth. It remains to be seen if the TVs can actually play 4k120 content at 4:4:4 (or Full RGB) with 10-bit HDR content or not. Theoretically, 4k120 8-bit SDR 4:2:0 fits in JUST under 18gbps (17.9gbps to be specific) so LG could be doing some marketing bullshit here.
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HDMI 2.1 is indeed great news for people who use their OLED panels with HTPC / PC and for gamers .
I still have doubts they will actually include full 2.1 - 48gbps in the chipset , guess we will know the answer on Tuesday from the CES showfloor . They are scheduled for a conference on the upcoming Monday.


It is a little disappointing as they mention nothing on the top emission OLEDs or they are planning to save it for their 8K OLED by the end of the year , which means there won't be any major improvement in terms of HDR picture quality for C9 , E9 and W9.

I am also curious to see what's Samsung progression with their Quantum Dots Blue-OLEDs and how LG is planning to catch up with color volume on wRGB OLED , apparently the AF9 ( pixel contrast booster ) has really good color volume.

late update : LG has confirmed all 2019 OLED TVs will feature full bandwidth 2.1 HDMI chipset.

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post Mar 7 2019, 08:00 AM

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QUOTE(ebayer @ Mar 6 2019, 09:06 AM)
Seems like everyone is only talking about C8. My budget isn't so high so anyone knows where I can get a good deal on a B8? Thanks in advance
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There is no reason for you to get a B8 in Malaysia because of how hard the local retailers are driving the bargains on C8 .
55' C8s were sold in several shops for under 7k which is a fantastic deal . I really doubt you can find a B8 for much less .

While the improvement over B8 isn't dramatic , why would you pay more for less ?



On a side note , the LG C9 is already shipping out in South Korea & USA starting this week . So if you are looking for the support of HDMI 2.1 features , you may want to wait just a little longer .
Though the price will likely remain on the high side till Q3-Q4.

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QUOTE(lala_cai @ Mar 9 2019, 06:03 PM)
Found a LG 55 OLED B8 for rm5999. Is it still worth getting?
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Assuming it is not a display unit , sure .

Where did you find the deal ? The cheapest B8 I came across is still a bit under 7K , not too far away from the C8s.

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QUOTE(numanuma @ Mar 11 2019, 10:52 AM)
RM5999 for LG B8. I bought it from TBM at Dpulze, Cyerberjaya. Only 4 units left!
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It says " Event model " , which is a display unit .


Hard to say if its worth it or not , because we do not know what sort of " stress test " and demonstration patterns they have been running on the unit .
Since there is currently no way to determine how much of a lifespan left in the organic pixels from OLED , it may be more susceptible to the occurrence of burn Ins.

Which is also why we normally tell people to avoid it unless the price is substantially cheaper , like this in case .


It comes with risks , like most of everything in life do . As long as you are willing to bear the risks I guess that would be okay.

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QUOTE(numanuma @ Mar 13 2019, 08:55 AM)
I also did asked the sales person about the "Event Modal" remark. He said that this is the few units that they have initially before the C8 came. They stop selling B8 once the C8 is in because the small price different.

The unit also sealed in the box is what make me believe that it is a new unit. I mean that's all I can judge to think it is a new unit.

Quality wise, it is SUPERB..! But need to play around with all the settings to get the right picture quality.
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The reason I had doubts with the display units is because I've seen shops playing youtube's HDR Demo with the infamous black&yellow 4K UHD watermark located at topright.

Such as this one
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If the sales guy at least take some precaution with TVs they wouldn't be doing that or maybe they just don't care .


Grats on your purchase and good to hear you enjoyed the TV , as long as the 2 years basic LG warranty is still available there should not be any problems .

The more people buying OLEDs , the better it is for many of us because LG can finally give the Malaysian market more priority , faster updates and better post sales services .
Sony has already shifted their focus of premium range onto the OLEDs and they aren't going to bring in the typical 65 - 55 inches premium LED-LCD TV anymore.
Philips have also joined the war by releasing their new OLED Razor lineup in Malaysia for the first time this year.

Good news is I've heard 2018 is the year where they (LG) have sold more OLED TVs than any other years in MY .

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post Mar 26 2019, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(Liquid Snake @ Mar 25 2019, 08:28 PM)
I took the biggest gamble of my life last week. Got to know someone who wanted to let go a 55 inch B8 for RM4k. Described as a used but like new condition. Decided to take a look myself. Indeed it looks like new. No sign of dust or anything. The back plastic on the panel is still attached. No original box. Only comes with the magic remote, manual, and local LG warranty card. But of course its not valid. No shop or dealer stamp there. Only personal warranty of 5 months is given. Played around with it and it looks good to me. And i also checked how many "hours" the unit is on. It states 2 hours. So without thinking anymore i just say confirm and take it. Bargained a little bit more and at last got it for RM3.7k. The gamble is of course the warranty. I guess i have to babysit this TV as careful as possible. By the way it has been one of the best week in my life. Watching TV is never the same again smile.gif
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Factory reset will also reset the total run time .
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post Mar 26 2019, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(Liquid Snake @ Mar 26 2019, 10:04 PM)
Really? Well damage has been done. Hehe. Any idea how much is a B8 display unit cost if there is any?
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Well if you are happy with the result that is kind of an unbeatable price for a fairly new OLED model , the B8 was released into the market later than C8 last year .


As long as there is no obvious uniformity issues and other pixel problems , just enjoy your new TV .
I was just pointing out the total run time can be manipulated , so regardless of what the previous owner told you he may have just reset it .
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Mar 27 2019, 01:16 PM)
Does it also reset the timer in the service menu?
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I am unsure if the factory reset of the TV will change the reading in the service menu but I vaguely remembered the last time I did , it changed the UTT to 0. There is also a separate reset UTT (usage total time ?) setting in the service menu .


QUOTE(numanuma @ Mar 27 2019, 09:08 AM)
Mind to share on how to check the total run time?
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the easiest way is to check on your total power time , goto setting > general > about this tv > TV information > Total power on time

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QUOTE(countach @ Apr 3 2019, 09:31 AM)
Yes, this is the same version i upgraded to. Now it just shows red waves and hangs whenever i try to launch the app. I have tried uninstalling and install back but same problem. Any help is appreciated . Thanks.
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again , factory reset should solve the problem . Some of the roots files may have corrupted during the update.
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12.8 ms input lag on the C9 , quite a decent upgrade from last year's model .

Unfortunately the advertised 120 mhz BFI from CES 2019 is being pulled last minute , so no 120mhz BFI this year .

There is a gap between the rear stand so you can do some cable management now but I personally don't like the design of the new metal stand .
As mentioned before , the C9 gets a separate setting for smooth gradation . Last year it was baked into the MPEG noise reduction which is not ideal.

The calibration report from I saw ; gamma tracking is quite flat ootb , too little blue , too much red at higher ire (70-100).
Post calibration the average DE is below 1.0 for both grayscale and colors , which is considered reference level of accuracy . Again remember panel variance also play a role .

No changes to peak brightness , current gen of OLED ( BOTTOM emission ) has already reach its maximum peak brightness of roughly 1000 nits.

New peak luminance adjustment for HDR tonemapping curve .
Most people who know about WRGB OLED display is no stranger to fact that color volume has always been one of the major weakness of WRGB OLEDs.

In order to retain the saturation of colors , Sony has cut down the peak brightness of their AF9 by roughly 25% .

C9 provides you with 3 levels of peak luminance adjustment for HDR tonemapping curve from High , Medium to Low. High is essentially what we have on the current LG OLEDs .
By restricting the peak luminance to medium , you can achieve better color volume results like AF9 did.

LG Autocal 2019 have also provided more info for enthusiasist who like to play around with the settings , details at below .
Credits : LG for the Q&A


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QUOTE(arslow @ May 2 2019, 08:27 PM)
Is it still up in the air or will the 2020 models be top emmision panels?
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They have not confirm anything but it may still have a chance to happen , especially when they are shifting focus onto the larger size and higher resolution OLEDs ( 77' , 82')

There were rumors that their 8K OLED (which will be released later this year) is using top emission with a new Indium gallium zinc oxide (IZGO) backplane .

Again , LG has never confirm anything so all of these could have changed. Just like how they've found a critical issue with the 120mhz BFI and pull them last minute.

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The review numbers for C9 has been released by rting

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The measurement of 13 ms Input latency from one of their french PR event is wrong.

21 ms is the right number ( yes that's right , more or less the same as C8 )


Evidence :
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Update : there has been another new firmware update (03.50.31) , it appears the 13 ish ms input lag for 4k 60hz is correct afterall.

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