Need to dig out my thermodynamic book from Uni. You need to look at the relationship between pressure, flow rate and resistance.
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Mar 10 2016, 05:11 PM
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Need to dig out my thermodynamic book from Uni. You need to look at the relationship between pressure, flow rate and resistance.
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Mar 10 2016, 06:12 PM
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Mar 10 2016, 05:11 PM) Need to dig out my thermodynamic book from Uni. You need to look at the relationship between pressure, flow rate and resistance. Not thermo...go check fluids dynamics. On pumps...vibe pumps are plunger pumps...rotary are vane pumps...the slayer uses gear pumps...go check how these work. |
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Mar 10 2016, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Mar 10 2016, 04:41 PM) Not really pressure loss but rather to match the flow rate of the bigger rotary pumps No to the 1st & 2nd para. Go check out the flow vs pressure graphs.Vibe @9bar pumps 35 liters/hr but Rotary @9 bar pumps 100 liters/hr So they up the Vibe to 11 bars to hit the similiar 100 liters/hr What I don't get is when you hit resistance, what does that mean? Once the portafilter has completely filled up with water, the flow rate does not matter anymore right? Cos I would think a 11bar pressure, even from a smaller pump is going to be able to pump through that overdosed puck rather than the 9bar bigger pump. Anybody? On the 3rd...think about what happens to the grounds throughout the 30 sec... |
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Mar 10 2016, 10:11 PM
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 10 2016, 06:12 PM) Not thermo...go check fluids dynamics. Yeah. You are right. Thermodynamic is the study of energy conversion and use in design of heat exchanger and distillation column. Been 20 years. Anyway, I'm waiting for variable SSR to experiment with pressure/flow profiling on the pump.On pumps...vibe pumps are plunger pumps...rotary are vane pumps...the slayer uses gear pumps...go check how these work. This post has been edited by pierreye: Mar 10 2016, 10:11 PM |
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Mar 10 2016, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 10 2016, 06:21 PM) No to the 1st & 2nd para. Go check out the flow vs pressure graphs. Would be interesting. Got a link of the graph?On the 3rd...think about what happens to the grounds throughout the 30 sec... QUOTE(pierreye @ Mar 10 2016, 10:11 PM) Yeah. You are right. Thermodynamic is the study of energy conversion and use in design of heat exchanger and distillation column. Been 20 years. Anyway, I'm waiting for variable SSR to experiment with pressure/flow profiling on the pump. Now I'm just shooting random ideas out but couldn't you just PWM the motor to try to reduce the speed without affecting torque? |
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Mar 11 2016, 06:30 AM
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Mar 10 2016, 10:11 PM) Yeah. You are right. Thermodynamic is the study of energy conversion and use in design of heat exchanger and distillation column. Been 20 years. Anyway, I'm waiting for variable SSR to experiment with pressure/flow profiling on the pump. Hey No need to wait...just go try the light dimmer or fan controller...I've done it and after some time can't be bothered...needs too much attention...but don't let me put you off...go try... |
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Mar 11 2016, 07:35 AM
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Mar 10 2016, 11:00 PM) Would be interesting. Got a link of the graph? Yes. I have been thinking about either PWM or voltage but it seems that because vibe pump is running at 50hz (pump cycle running twice in each AC wave cycle meaning moving in/out 100 times per second), I'm not sure how PWM will affect the pump. Plus most PWM module from ebay are for DC motor, not AC so I still need a SSR as a relay to turn on/off the pump. I just try out with variable SSR as it's the easier alternative.Now I'm just shooting random ideas out but couldn't you just PWM the motor to try to reduce the speed without affecting torque? |
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Mar 11 2016, 07:38 AM
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 11 2016, 06:30 AM) Hey Yeah. If every time need manual intervention it is kind of troublesome. I'm thinking if it does make a positive differences, I'll put in a timer relay module to automatically switch between different resistance like first 10 sec for low pressure pre infusion then only ramp up to high pressure.No need to wait...just go try the light dimmer or fan controller...I've done it and after some time can't be bothered...needs too much attention...but don't let me put you off...go try... |
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Mar 11 2016, 08:14 AM
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Mar 11 2016, 07:38 AM) Yeah. If every time need manual intervention it is kind of troublesome. I'm thinking if it does make a positive differences, I'll put in a timer relay module to automatically switch between different resistance like first 10 sec for low pressure pre infusion then only ramp up to high pressure. check this out....http://www.decentespresso.com/de1 |
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Mar 11 2016, 08:28 AM
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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Mar 10 2016, 11:00 PM) Would be interesting. Got a link of the graph? here you go...knock yourself out... Now I'm just shooting random ideas out but couldn't you just PWM the motor to try to reduce the speed without affecting torque? http://www.fluidotech.it/Pages/application...D_APPLICATION=4 http://www.cemegroup.com/solenoid-pumps |
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Mar 11 2016, 10:55 AM
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Mar 11 2016, 08:14 AM) Woah. Never thought I would see a tablet mounted on an espresso machine. In fact I'm in a dilemma on the next upgrade if I have an itch. Either get a BES920 which had lots of control for end user but might had a reliability issue in long run which is not user repairable or get a HX machine but loose out the control part.This post has been edited by pierreye: Mar 11 2016, 11:14 AM |
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Mar 11 2016, 05:38 PM
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Any knows where can I get hario v60 filter paper for the lowest price possible? So far I found the cheapest is RM20 at Pulp by papa palheta, while online shops have 19~22 excluding shipping fee.
Daiso one doesn't have the exact v60 shape filter paper. So if anyone knows kindly enlighten |
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Mar 11 2016, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE(zellleonhart @ Mar 11 2016, 05:38 PM) Any knows where can I get hario v60 filter paper for the lowest price possible? So far I found the cheapest is RM20 at Pulp by papa palheta, while online shops have 19~22 excluding shipping fee. you can get it at Parkson or I-setan, only RM9.50 for hario V60 02 filter paper Daiso one doesn't have the exact v60 shape filter paper. So if anyone knows kindly enlighten This post has been edited by wadthehellz: Mar 11 2016, 06:49 PM |
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Mar 15 2016, 05:36 PM
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Hey, everyone !
Since everyone here are coffee enthusiast, I would like to ask would anyone here be interested in Coffee Cupping Session? I'm trying to help my friend to build his cafe business here in KL. He has a huge collection variety of imported green beans (the one I knows from Honduras, Guatemala, Kenya, Ethiopia) which he roast it in-house ! Edit: Here are a few beans to name a few. There are more :- Brazil Santos SC 17/18 Brazil yellow Bourbon Fazenda Dutra Jatoba Brazil Natural Fazenda Lago Azul Ethiopia Washed Sidamo G1 Ethiopia Amaro Gayo Ethiopia Washed MOCCA Yirgacheffe G2/G1 Kenya AA Kenya AB El Salvador San Alonso Honduras - Finca El Manzano Columbia Excelso Huila Garzon Columbia Supremo Guatemala San Vincente This post has been edited by MSA: Mar 15 2016, 05:47 PM |
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