Quite agree. Musica is definitely not a beginner machine but yes, invest in it and it will serve you long and well. If you know exactly what you are getting into, it'll be a fabulous machine (you have to do justice to it with a good grinder yes?)
There's one currently in the second hand market: http://www.mudah.my/Coffee+machine+home+or...e+-43742196.htm
I don't know about the market price of it though

I have problem with weak crema, got my fresh bean from my espresso lab, bean is fresh, around 2 weeks old.

i got myself with a unpressurised basket. using my hand grinder to grind to the finest(took really long time to grind it though) , tamp it and pull the shot. Surprisingly it over tamp at the first time.

Second time adjust the grind about 1/4 turn from finest to course, tamp at the same pressure. this time still under tamp, the coffee came out too fast with very weak crema.

Im expecting myself to get a nicr crema like tiger stripe, but fail to do so, but havent give up yet. My machine is Delonghi ecov 311, since the Delinghi EC 155 wit upf can do a nice crema tiger stripe, i believe my machine can do it too.

Any idea what will be the problem? is it because of my coffee not properly grind enough? feel like wanna get an electric grinder.. tiring of grinding with my arm... lol

either too coarse or too fine will become like this.
my ec155 can do better.

so need to keep try and error? cause i thought unpressurised basket need very fine texture.

EC155 same specification as Eco 310/311 right?

yeah quite fine. even finest stock setting for krups gvx2 are not fine enough.

I plan to get a electric grinder.. welhome ZD 15/16

Saw this on kopitiam, does this mean we will be able to import raw beans without AP in the near future?

This post has been edited by Kclee2002: Jan 28 2016, 01:01 PM

According to The Star's ongoing report on the revised budget, Mr 2.6 billion announced "- 3. To reduce cost of living, Govt to liberalise APs for agricultural products including coffee beans and meats".

So what does "liberalise" mean? Why not just say "eliminate"? Does it just mean more cronies get APs?

Possible you have channeling: water going through cracks in your coffee grounds due to uneven tamp or overdosing.

Not that I actually know this from experience: I use pressurised (with very light tamp), and a low dose so no chance of this happening....

Ah, i was just about to quote that too. I think what liberalized mean is that there will be more AP holders who can import these now?

Yeah, I'm not very comfortable buying big stuff from overseas. It's like a big weight on my mind!

now im trying to use unpressurised basket.
ya, if i use pressurised i also lightly tamp , cos if tamp too much will tend to over tamp thus the water cant flow thru

Some hoe for that price I am more inclined to get a http://londiniumespresso.com/store/lever-e...nes/londinium-i

Like i said, I'm totally not up to date with market prices.
Just assumed a second hand Musica should be cheaper than brand new

Anything 2nd hand in this area will be cheaper.
But are they looking for 2nd hand? If no strictly 1st hand then ... Just for learning and home, need to factor in grinder.

Anyway ppl spending the $$ is chill, I am not debating anything just stating I would rather get something diff. Machine is very subjective

Got the beaker as suggested. Will see how consistent is the yield volume. This shot just hit the 60ml mark excluding the crema. Pre infusion 11 seconds and extraction time 18 seconds. Using the finest settings of the build in grinder. Dose is around 17grams. If I wish to have a longer extraction time I'll have to dose more.

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Volume measurement is actually supposed to include creama too so this will be considered slightly of a lungo shot
Preinfusion + brew time = 29sec is perfectly fine already, shouldn't need to tweak on dose and grind size further.
Ultimately, how's the taste?

What should I look out for when tasting? I'd say it tasted yummy with milk 😁 I might experiment once my kilo of beans arrive. Noted bro, will try to achieve a nett 60 ml mark next time... See if I can taste any difference. The yield is based on my machines default settings.

This post has been edited by Bigboyz: Jan 30 2016, 12:01 AM

Any comments on the timing? Taste is quite balanced.


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Feels a little fast to me. Grind a notch finer or tamp slightly harder
How about the body? Does it taste watery or thin?