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post Jan 21 2016, 09:00 AM

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How do you guys plan to roast the beans? I know of heating them until they caramelize till they pop in the frying pan but this will cause inconsistent color.
Btw, i just got my Brazilian coffee and im loving it!
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post Jan 21 2016, 09:07 AM

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good morning coffee lover!


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post Jan 21 2016, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(sabahan62 @ Jan 20 2016, 08:47 PM)
Hi,

Since I have seen so many members here talking about freshness of the roasted beans, how about doing home roasting?

Wondering anyone here has ventured into roasting green beans? Like using Gene Cafe roaster or other brand? Or even using a pop corn maker to roast like I saw on YouTube. Btw, where to buy green beans?
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Wow, lots of interested roasters. Good to see the direction that Malaysians are heading to in specialty coffee
I'm actually a home roaster that started with a popcorn popper, moved to a Gene Cafe and now have a proper commercial drum roaster on the way. Overall I've been roasting for almost 2 years now.
I have a thread here on Lowyat offering roast on demand beans to help sustain my hobby/learning/potential career change biggrin.gif . Don't want to pollute this thread with sales, PM me separately if you're interested or questions

Anyways, Gene Cafe is a decent home roaster to start with but the main heartburn is the lack of thermal logging to allow you to properly profile your roasts. This influences consistency and makes it more trial/error to recover a bad roast (underdevelopment, overroasting). However, it's not too costly as a start on your journey to learn about real coffee roasting
As for green beans, there's no actual way around things. AP is the ugly monster that continues to want to block your way. Without one, I mostly get from eBay and also SweetMarias when friends or family travel but it's not getting very economical now with the USD rate as well as the measly quantities you can bring in (too much and customs is going to get alerted)


QUOTE(lowkl @ Jan 20 2016, 11:09 PM)
Finally! Someone interested in the same thing, and asking the same question!

I've been interested in trying out some home roasting as well; not quite using a popcorn maker but to use one of those halogen turbo ovens sitting on a simple motorised stirrer.

But the big problem seems to be getting the green beans! It seems such raw coffee beans can only be imported into Malaysia with an AP (another crony enriching mechanism) so getting them direct from Sweet Maria's is out. I have found a couple of importers but they all do only wholesale... so unless I commit to at least many kilos of beans they are not interested.

I have raised this topic on this forum before, with zero responses.  Perhaps we can raise some interest and if we find a few more like-minded individuals we can buy a sack of beams to experiment....
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If you have found a local importer willing to sell in bulk I don't mind sharing
Halogen turbo ovens may work well but make sure you can hit 250C and you might want to figure out how much thermal energy is available - that influences what is the quantity you can roast per batch

QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Jan 21 2016, 09:00 AM)
How do you guys plan to roast the beans? I know of heating them until they caramelize till they pop in the frying pan but this will cause inconsistent color.
Btw, i just got my Brazilian coffee and im loving it!
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The pan method is pure conduction heat. In this case, lots of agitation is require to make sure there's no burnt spots. Also, you may risk hitting first crack fast and the outer layer roasting too quickly compared to the inside. This can cause very bad under-development and gives you a grassy/herby taste to your roast. Development is very important for sweetness especially for espressos
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post Jan 21 2016, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(maxguy @ Jan 21 2016, 09:07 AM)
good morning coffee lover!
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Nice! What beans are you drinking today?
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post Jan 21 2016, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(lowkl @ Jan 21 2016, 05:20 AM)
You forget two other factors.... control & cost.

If you control the roast, you can try out different roast profiles using the same beans. It would be nice/interesting to try out different profiles to see what suits your personal preference instead of the roasters. The other thing you can control is the blend since most green beans are effectively single origin when purchased.

The other factor is the cost. Getting consistently freshly roasted beans in turn mean two things: premium services and small quantities. Premium services because not all coffee beans sources cater for aficionados ; eg all regular store-bought beans from supermarkets don't have roasted - on dates. Small quantities because unless you are a heavy consistent coffee drinker (or pull shots for more than one person like I do)  it is difficult to finish a large bag before the tail end gets stale. Therefore, small bags.  Small, frequent and fast supply means high transport costs. 

Both these factors mean substantially higher prices. Roasting at home means you can guarantee freshness by roasting exactly what you consume, exactly when you want/need it,  exactly how you like it.  You buy green beans in bulk (by the kilo) as they can keep easily for 6 months to a year without significant degradation. You aren't paying some courier company RM 6 every 2 weeks to move a paltry 125gm or 250gm bag a few km, or the parking fees/petrol/car maintenance costs incurred when you drive to the few stores that stock beans with Roast by dates.

Thus ends my geek rant....
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Too bad I have access to place where I can blend my own beans (over 30 kinds of greens) and control roast temp to try out different profile. Then again quality of beans may not be as good as those single origin sourced by say Intelligensia. Transport cost not much as its like 5 min drive away or 20 min walk.

Even I don't do so I can get shipment in free of charge thanx to the country I am in, roast dates on those just under 3 days usually. Hard to control even if i do roasting, new job last min travel plan screw up consumption rate. If one can discern the taste between 7 day old vs 4 day old great, otherwise it's more psychological.

There are pros but what you stated seems like a stretch.

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post Jan 21 2016, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jan 21 2016, 09:46 AM)
Too bad I have access to place where I can blend my own beans (over 30 kinds of greens) and control roast temp to try out different profile. Then again quality of beans may not be as good as those single origin sourced by say Intelligensia.

Even I don't do so I can get shipment in free of charge thanx to the country I am in. Hard to control even if i do roasting, new job last min travel plan screw up consumption rate. If one can discern the taste between 7 day old vs 4 day old great, otherwise it's more psychological.

There are pros but what you stated seems like a stretch.
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post Jan 21 2016, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(ymeng85 @ Jan 21 2016, 09:37 AM)
Nice! What beans are you drinking today?
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thanks bro, bought online coffee blend smile.gif
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post Jan 21 2016, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(maxguy @ Jan 21 2016, 09:59 AM)
thanks bro, bought online coffee blend smile.gif
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Ahh....v60 needs a good single origin laaa... haha
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please recommend me a good single origin coffee. Thanks smile.gif
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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jan 21 2016, 09:46 AM)
Too bad I have access to place where I can blend my own beans (over 30 kinds of greens) and control roast temp to try out different profile. Then again quality of beans may not be as good as those single origin sourced by say Intelligensia. Transport cost not much as its like 5 min drive away or 20 min walk.

Even I don't do so I can get shipment in free of charge thanx to the country I am in, roast dates on those just under 3 days usually. Hard to control even if i do roasting, new job last min travel plan screw up consumption rate. If one can discern the taste between 7 day old vs 4 day old great, otherwise it's more psychological.

There are pros but what you stated seems like a stretch.
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Not "too bad" but "d*mn lucky". You must admit your circumstances do not represent the vast majority of us coffee geeks. If getting good roasted coffee was so easy I doubt I would consider home roasting (.... well, maybe still).

Seems this discussion has brought out someone who has begun this journey a while ago. That's a huge plus.....
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guys, anyone using the breville bes810 & breville grinder (I forgot its name)

used to drink dripped coffee but would like to try learning espresso stuff but don't have much money to spend. I know good grinder cost much & I don't wanna risk myself buying overseas as I am really poor in machine... malas fix sendiri if got problem tongue.gif

aske in Harvey Norman,,, can get both around 3k if bundle... so curios to try now but wonder the quality smile.gif
Besides, is 1 year warranty enough for espresso machine? There is an option for EW too

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QUOTE(PegasuS87 @ Jan 20 2016, 10:32 PM)
u are interested on it as well..hoho
what machine u using now ?
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Was interested back when it was launched...
Am using Breville now, but have to temporarily give up coffee, posted my setup here for sale:

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WTS Breville Espresso Set

Perhaps when my condition gets better, hopefully within a year's time, I can convince my wife on the OscarII.

That said, still having doubts selling off my Breville. I've done some survey in my neighbourhood forum, seems like quite a number of people interested on "take-away"/ Grab and Go Espresso based drinks... could turn it into small business instead of getting rid of the machine cause I can't drink.
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QUOTE(Castreal @ Jan 21 2016, 12:14 PM)
Was interested back when it was launched...
Am using Breville now, but have to temporarily give up coffee, posted my setup here for sale:

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WTS Breville Espresso Set

Perhaps when my condition gets better, hopefully within a year's time, I can convince my wife on the OscarII.

That said, still having doubts selling off my Breville. I've done some survey in my neighbourhood forum, seems like quite a number of people interested on "take-away"/ Grab and Go Espresso based drinks... could turn it into small business instead of getting rid of the machine cause I can't drink.
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Good idea. Some popup markets would be good places to setup too
Or even a coffee truck!
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post Jan 21 2016, 04:25 PM

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Hello Guys, I am new here, never know lowyat forum have such an active coffee thread. Any recommendation low budget decent espresso machine + electric grinder?
Total budget around 4k.

Thanks.
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post Jan 21 2016, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(user5092 @ Jan 21 2016, 04:25 PM)
Hello Guys, I am new here, never know lowyat forum have such an active coffee thread. Any recommendation low budget decent espresso machine + electric grinder?
Total budget around 4k.

Thanks.
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Try the version 1 thread, buy on taobao get Chinese brand or buy used here.

I repost Tikietic stuff here, he went Chinese route
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3830783

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post Jan 21 2016, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(patryn33 @ Jan 21 2016, 09:19 PM)
Try the version 1 thread, buy on taobao get Chinese brand or buy used here.

I repost Tikietic stuff here, he went Chinese route
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3830783
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I know China people like to use Milesto M2, so is it same here?
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QUOTE(user5092 @ Jan 21 2016, 10:42 PM)
I know China people like to use Milesto M2, so is it same here?
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Don't know what's Milesto M2 and what ppl like to use home here commonly. Sorry
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QUOTE(user5092 @ Jan 21 2016, 04:25 PM)
Hello Guys, I am new here, never know lowyat forum have such an active coffee thread. Any recommendation low budget decent espresso machine + electric grinder?
Total budget around 4k.

Thanks.
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Simonelli Oscar plus ZD 16. This is my current setup. Im using it for past 9 months & they are still good for my every morning latte.
Attached Image this is old photo taken july last year, newbie photo
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QUOTE(luvox @ Jan 22 2016, 09:56 AM)
Simonelli Oscar plus ZD 16. This is my current setup. Im using it for past 9 months & they are still good for my every morning latte.
Attached Image this is old photo taken july last year, newbie photo
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Getting my own Oscar sooooon....can't wait!
Have you checked your pressure before? Is it @ 15bars and did you do any OPV mods to bring down to 9bars?
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QUOTE(luvox @ Jan 22 2016, 09:56 AM)
Simonelli Oscar plus ZD 16. This is my current setup. Im using it for past 9 months & they are still good for my every morning latte.
Attached Image this is old photo taken july last year, newbie photo
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Thanks for your advice, where you get your ZD-16 and Oscar? How much it cost?

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