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post Dec 28 2015, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 28 2015, 09:06 AM)
How can I determine the odds of flat betting (no counting, no progressions , etc ) of being ahead in a negative game such as blackjack, w/o counting, with a 0.5% disadvantage after 45,000 or so hands? Is it even possible?

Any basic statistics book should have a standard normal table which will give the Z statistic of 0.8186. So the probability of being ahead in your example is about 18%.
http://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wizard/bla...ck/probability/

rclxms.gif yes...Kenny Roger's word is true. "U gotta know when to hold 'em, Know when to walk-away, Know when to run"...applies to UTs investment too.
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Nice.. thus in layman's term, blackjack as the example:
18% probability of "being ahead", thus 82% probability of "being behind"?

er.. for those who are going rclxub.gif,
What is the difference between standard deviation and z score? (for an Investor)
http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/02...and-z-score.asp

Yeah, some UTs are "Urgh Trusts" - though most of them don't lose all capital injected

This post has been edited by wongmunkeong: Dec 28 2015, 09:26 AM
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post Dec 28 2015, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Dec 28 2015, 08:58 AM)
You go to casino for entertainment. You don't go there with expectation to win.

I used to play slot machine with expectation to lose, and I set a maximum amount of money I would spend, e.g. RM50. Call this entertainment fee. Once this amount was used up I would stop.

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as entertainment fee hmm.gif .... must self doctrine into me...
just how to avoid being seduced by the Darker Force...

hmm.gif normally just how fast would this RM 50 last?
and when it is gone...what did you do then? Drive back down hill again?

for many, once my entertainment fees are used up in the "chicken" farm....they would just wash up and leave...no more excitement or fun in staying around anymore brows.gif
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post Dec 28 2015, 09:23 AM

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hi guys

for cooling off period, does that mean if i withdraw within that period, no sales charge occurs?

can we utilize this feature to exit the fund if price drop a lot during that period?
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post Dec 28 2015, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 28 2015, 08:50 AM)
I tot tis week have 4 days  rclxub.gif
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post Dec 28 2015, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(brotan @ Dec 28 2015, 09:23 AM)
hi guys

for cooling off period, does that mean if i withdraw within that period, no sales charge occurs?

can we utilize this feature to exit the fund if price drop a lot during that period?
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hmm.gif I think many here would TOP up/buy more instead of selling off if that BIG drops happens.

and I think yes..to your question.
try check it out with FSM CS for confirmation
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post Dec 28 2015, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(brotan @ Dec 28 2015, 09:23 AM)
hi guys

for cooling off period, does that mean if i withdraw within that period, no sales charge occurs?

can we utilize this feature to exit the fund if price drop a lot during that period?
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http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/2...o-Cancel-1571#4

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post Dec 28 2015, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Dec 28 2015, 09:16 AM)
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Yeah, some UTs are "Urgh Trusts" - though most of them don't lose all capital injected
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found many sites in google when I typed (the odds of winning in Blackjack)...
which is OT ...so will not elaborate more .
the end story is ...."most of them (Uts) don't lose all capital injected" vs gambling.
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post Dec 28 2015, 09:36 AM

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thanks for the answers
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post Dec 28 2015, 09:37 AM

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anyone here use EPF to invest? average EPF past few years about 6% and always positive

any advice which fund is a safer bet? maybe KGF?
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post Dec 28 2015, 09:43 AM

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regarding dividend, i am not familiar with the price that will be bought

is the dividend money that reinvested will also be charged a sales charge?

if yes, isn't that a disadvantage to us? is it better no dividend at all?
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post Dec 28 2015, 09:43 AM

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How Odds are Calculated.....(blackjack)
http://www.ace-ten.com/fundamentals/computing

Chances of Winning
http://www.ace-ten.com/fundamentals/chances/
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post Dec 28 2015, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(brotan @ Dec 28 2015, 09:37 AM)
anyone here use EPF to invest? average EPF past few years about 6% and always positive

any advice which fund is a safer bet? maybe KGF?
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would you want to earn X% extra over EPF with the risk of possible losing that much too?

How Did EPF-Approved Funds Perform In 2014?
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=5522

past performance is not indication of possible future performance.

Safer bet?...I would suggest don't touch the EPF...consider it as FI.
invest with the monies that you can afford to lose and sleep well after losing them.
EPF is for retirement and if you are thinking of safer bets....don't touch it.

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post Dec 28 2015, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(brotan @ Dec 28 2015, 09:43 AM)
regarding dividend, i am not familiar with the price that will be bought

is the dividend money that reinvested will also be charged a sales charge?

if yes, isn't that a disadvantage to us? is it better no dividend at all?
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did not notice SC on Dividend payout before...

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post Dec 28 2015, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Dec 28 2015, 12:21 AM)
I am now at Genting Highlands. I just came out from the casino but I didn't spend a single cent. The minimum bet for Pontoon or Blackjack is RM100. 20 years ago the minimum bet was RM25 or sometimes even RM10.

I did some mental calculation. The odds are better if I put RM10k into TA Global Technology Fund or AmPrecious Metals. In the worst case scenario, I may lose 20% of my investment in a few months. But in the best case scenario, I may earn 10% return in a few months. So better for me to buy unit trusts than to gamble at the casino. smile.gif
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I was also there last night...with a wub.gif

I also no enter casino innocent.gif
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post Dec 28 2015, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(brotan @ Dec 28 2015, 09:43 AM)
regarding dividend, i am not familiar with the price that will be bought

is the dividend money that reinvested will also be charged a sales charge?

if yes, isn't that a disadvantage to us? is it better no dividend at all?
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reinvested distribution no SC lar doh.gif
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post Dec 28 2015, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 28 2015, 09:51 AM)
reinvested distribution no SC lar doh.gif
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just an example to clarify yah


Let's say the UT current price is RM 1.0000 and normal sales charge is 2%

invested RM 1000, so total units i get is 980 units

Dividend declared 1 unit = RM 0.1000

So, i will get dividend of RM 98 which is reinvested

if the current UT price is still RM 1.0000 (i know that's not realistic but this number is only for easy calculation), do i get extra

1. 98 units or
2. 96 units

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post Dec 28 2015, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(brotan @ Dec 28 2015, 09:37 AM)
anyone here use EPF to invest? average EPF past few years about 6% and always positive

any advice which fund is a safer bet? maybe KGF?
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i do BUT.. for my own reasons:
1. I've waaaaay too much "Fixed Income" in terms of EPF (humongous compared to cash) + cash/FD/Bonds (little) VS Equities

2. I don't want to have too much % in 1 entity, especially one that can be "robbed" publicly if U get my drift.

3. 6%+/- pa returns from EPF is abnormally high, when compared to the recent 10 years average.

Thus, technically, if one is not heavily lopsided in terms of TOTAL ASSETS in Fixed Income and/or EPF, i'd personally "let it ride" in EPF.

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QUOTE(brotan @ Dec 28 2015, 10:00 AM)
just an example to clarify yah
Let's say the UT current price is RM 1.0000 and normal sales charge is 2%

invested RM 1000, so total units i get is 980 units

Dividend declared 1 unit = RM 0.1000

So, i will get dividend of RM 98 which is reinvested

if the current UT price is still RM 1.0000 (i know that's not realistic but this number is only for easy calculation), do i get extra

1. 98 units or
2. 96 units

thanks
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980 x RM0.10 / RM1.0000
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post Dec 28 2015, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 28 2015, 10:04 AM)
980 x RM0.10 / RM1.0000
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post Dec 28 2015, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Dec 28 2015, 10:03 AM)
i do BUT.. for my own reasons:
1. I've waaaaay too much "Fixed Income" in terms of EPF (humongous compared to cash) + cash/FD/Bonds (little) VS Equities

2. I don't want to have too much % in 1 entity, especially one that can be "robbed" publicly if U get my drift.

3. 6%+/- pa returns from EPF is abnormally high, when compared to the recent 10 years average.

Thus, technically, if one is not heavily lopsided in terms of TOTAL ASSETS in Fixed Income and/or EPF, i'd personally "let it ride" in EPF.

Just a thought  notworthy.gif
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thanks for the hindsight

i was thinking of putting some EPF money on KGF since it consistently beat EPF every single year by a margin. even if there's a bad performance for certain period, the previous return would outweigh the potential deficit

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