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post Jan 25 2016, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Jan 25 2016, 08:15 AM)
I don't monitor my UT investment daily, but I know there are some people here who compute IRR everyday  tongue.gif

Anyway, back to correlation coefficient...
Portfolio A - 1 Asia ex Japan fund which makes up 40% of the portfolio
Portfolio B - 2 Asia ex Japan funds, each makes up 20% of the portfolio

Portfolio B is more diversified, and the two funds are positively correlated, but I don't see a problem with it.
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hmm.gif YES, portfolio B is more diversified as to ex...management risks and portfolio holding risks but will it be subjected to this "deworsification" as per below example some of the time?

QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jan 24 2016, 10:46 PM)
Bro, Monday is a public holiday. You can ask CIS on Tuesday. Please share their advice here if possible. Would they advise that:-

1.  You have deworsified?
2.  Over traded?
3.  Did not follow VA or RSP?

Without knowing your investor profile, I suspect the main problem is No. 1 above. This means you are buying too many funds which have a high degree of correlation. My own definition of high is 0.85 positive correlation and above.

An e.g. of deworsification is when Fund A is selling Maybank at RM8 because he thinks it is too expensive. Fund B is buying Maybank at RM8 because he thinks it is cheap.

As an investor, you are holding both Fund A and Fund B in your portfolio and paying the transaction costs for this Maybank deal. So what do you get at the end of the day? 1-1 = 0
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post Jan 25 2016, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Jan 25 2016, 10:46 AM)
Possible. But isn't that going to decrease correlation coefficient?
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Possible same correlation. But isn't that going to increase the possibility of deworsification?.

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post Jan 25 2016, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jan 25 2016, 12:33 PM)
Psychological effect mah. I didn't sell. Therefore I didn't suffer any loss.  biggrin.gif
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just hope that this paper losses did not stay too long..... vmad.gif
else may have to consider this.... hmm.gif

Cut your losses and move on

Unless you are very lucky, you are bound to come across an investment that may lose money. When this happens, it is essential to acknowledge the mistake, cut your losses and move on to something that is better performing.
Many Malaysian investors tend to wait it out, hoping that the investment will rebound, only to end up suffering from bigger losses, and losing out on the opportunity to optimise their money somewhere else.

Tips to grow your wealth amid the tough times ahead for this year
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ion-strategies/

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post Jan 25 2016, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 25 2016, 09:04 PM)
No need be a investor also can analyse their operation.... just go to their website >> investor relation >> download annual report >> read their audited financial statement.

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is that how the FM of lets say Kenanga do the stock picking?
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post Jan 25 2016, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jan 25 2016, 11:01 PM)
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But suppose now it's 100k.. and you make maybe 8%. FD is 4.5% so you only really make an extra 3.5%. 3.5% of 100k is 3500. That's less than 350 a month. Why would it make sense to risk 100k to make less than 350 a month when you can get a part-time job and make more than that without risking capital?

That's something you should maybe consider as well, do you really want to invest when you can maybe make more money with less risk? So one thing you should also consider is whether you should be investing at all. If you have less than 100k, you might try and see if you can get a part-time job near your house. The returns will be just as good or better, and there's less risk.
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you make maybe 8%. FD is 4.5% so you only really make an extra 3.5%.
one will double the available money in 9 yrs the other is 16 yrs
one may have the return eaten by inflation while the other may still have extra after the inflation
one may have more purchasing money then the other after 16 yrs

do you really want to invest when you can maybe make more money with less risk?
make more money with less risk? how?
by working for 16 yrs?

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post Jan 25 2016, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jan 25 2016, 05:06 PM)
Not 8% a day, 8% a year lol smile.gif and I think if you look at the track record, I think about half of them fail to beat FD. This makes the UT a literal gamble, you have about 50% chance of losing money smile.gif
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jan 25 2016, 05:28 PM)
You think? look at the list on FSM, more than half do not have 10-year track records, and of those who have 5-year track records, half of them are are not better than FD even after five years.
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jan 25 2016, 11:21 PM)
All you have to explain is why people pay that crazy front end load, and then pay them 1% a year, to do what you can do yourself quite easily and a lot more cheaply smile.gif and who watches CNBC anyway smile.gif
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jan 25 2016, 11:31 PM)
Put it another way, one will guarantee your money will double after 16 years. The other you have a chance to either lose your money, not double it,  or double it after 9 years. One will at least equal inflation, the other might not even equal your capital.

Yes, working. A few extra hours will ensure that you beat inflation risk-free, if that's what you want to do.
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hmm.gif then why are you "hinting" that stock investing is better?
so have you invested in any other investment vehicles other that this FD things?

sometimes people invest is because they want to stop work sooner.....not the other way round.

“Which investor gets rich by putting all his / her monies in savings accounts?” – Dr. Tan Chong Koay

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post Jan 25 2016, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jan 25 2016, 11:33 PM)
It's true, securities analysis is not exactly rocket science smile.gif there are plenty of tutorials available.
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other sometimes the results contradict each others tongue.gif
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jan 25 2016, 11:42 PM)
I'm not hinting that at all. All I'm saying is that mutual funds are kind of obsolete in this day and age when we have all this info and computing power at our fingertips.

And yes I was an investor for a while, and basically found out the exact same thing, sure you can make money but unless you have something like 50mil it would be easier and less risky to just get a part-time job for a few hours a day smile.gif
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we have all this info and computing power at our fingertips.
who is doing or providing the information?
from the FH reports?
company annual reports that are "months" old
will it be biased or obsolete by the time the public read it?

so if now one have 49 million it would still be hard and risky to invest and he/she should go get a part time job for a few hour a day?
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jan 25 2016, 11:44 PM)
He's right, if you have it all in savings accounts you are not an investor at all.. But what does this have to do with anything smile.gif
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it just proved that rich people invest
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jan 25 2016, 11:50 PM)
No because 3.5% of a million is 35,000 and no one is going to pay you that for a few hours of work, unless you found a part-time job like that, in which case yes you should do that instead smile.gif
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you mentioned "unless you have something like 50mil it would be easier and less risky to just get a part-time job for a few hours a day

yes, now I am doing part time and freelance also already..... biggrin.gif

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Thanks for an entertaining and edutainment evening
have to stop and go to work at 12.
good nite. everyone
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Jan 27 2016, 10:33 AM)
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Also, i know nuts about asset allocation, can share with me on what do you think?

Edit: if i just invest in one, say Kenanga Growth Fund, do you think this is ok?
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try read these?....
Maximise Returns While Minimising Risk With A Core And Supplementary Portfolio
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...y-Portfolio--59

Why Diversify?
Most financial advisers will encourage investors to diversify their investment portfolios. Does diversification really work?
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-Diversify--570

Asset Allocation Isn't Everything, But It Nearly Is
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...t-Nearly-Is-608

Basic Steps To Construct An Investment Portfolio
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-Nov-2011--1753

Yes, i think KGF is quite safe....based on the track records and you know lah..M'sia boleh with all the donations and KWSP, KWAP etc etc supports.... hmm.gif but just in case there is a change of mgmt at the FH or....
aiyah...better diversify-lah...

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 27 2016, 01:28 PM)
How much lower is the China stock market expected to go? Yesterday alone about 6% and today already almost 4% down.  vmad.gif
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hmm.gif agar agar about 30% more drops to norm??


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post Jan 28 2016, 03:07 PM

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i think, if i can recall correctly....UT is abt 20% of his invest able assets.....
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QUOTE(MNet @ Jan 28 2016, 08:04 PM)
Which bond fund u all buy?
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Most of the FSM investors that bought Bond / Fixed Income Funds bought these 5 funds in the past 1 week and 1 month period

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundinfo/topFunds.svdo


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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 29 2016, 07:41 PM)
Not a good sight....
as at 28 Jan...my IRR is 1.58%
(lowest since data capture)
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i think you are very heavy in M'sia.....more BAD news on the way???? sweat.gif

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for those that are holding or are considering Kenanga Asia-Pacific Total Return Fund

From the Desk of Lee Sook Yee, Chief Investment Officer
Commentary on Kenanga Asia-Pacific Total Return Fund

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...eturn-Fund-6757
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QUOTE(brotan @ Jan 31 2016, 08:49 AM)
So it is a risky investment?
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Every investment comes with risk.....as to be a bit less risky.....go with fsm recommended funds as it would be a good place to starts as it had been 'filtered'
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QUOTE(hurtedheart @ Jan 31 2016, 04:23 PM)
Are you referring particularly to bond funds, or equity fund as well? Rhb gold & General fund was once under FSM's recommended fund, the performance for that year was shocking and FSM removed that category under recommended fund in the subsequent year. Therefore, filtered does not mean will be 'better'
I think it's important not to blindly follow recommended fund though some of the recommended funds do perform well
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I was referring to all....
their recommendation was based on data available from March till March of the following year...and those data are PAST records....
as with all past records, they are not indication of possible future performance.
example, if one were to refer to this kind of lists......who can predict there would be a crisis in oil, sub prime crisis or the Asian Financial crisis.
in addition, here is an article on
3 Misconceptions Of Our Recommended Unit Trusts List ..... July 10, 2015
In this Idea Of The Week, we take the time to correct some popular misconceptions investors might have had with regards to the featured list
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...July-2015--6041

thumbup.gif "I think it's important not to blindly follow recommended fund though some of the recommended funds do perform well"

from that article....
The purpose of the Recommended Unit Trusts List is to aid investors in narrowing down the over 200 funds on our platform into the various main categories for the purposes of portfolio diversification, as well as to provide them with a starting point to assess the various funds in their respective categories, given that some categories have so many funds to choose from which gives investors an oft problem of selection headache!

As different investors have different styles of investing, some of the Recommended Unit Trusts List might not be suitable for them. For example, some funds are known to be more aggressively positioned than some of their peers, which won't sit well with a more conservative investor looking for a more resilient product.

Thus, investors should consider the various merits and characteristics the individual funds possess and look to find a product that would complement and sit well with their investment style and philosophy. With a starting point to help guide them through the array of funds and categories, new investors have a good base with which to navigate through the over 200 funds.



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