I believe it is $410 for 5 years mate. If you add your MY passport that is about $500 bucks per 5 years. On the long run the blue passport would be the way to go if you are eligible.

I can only get 5 years renewal if I fulfilled the stay period of 2 years of the 5 years of the PR eligibility.

if i don't fulfill the 2 years stay, i can only get 1 year per renewal.

This post has been edited by Red_rustyjelly: Jun 11 2022, 05:18 PM

Having a PR while not really staying also has it's problems....and if children are young, and not ready to move, doesn't make sense....that's why we gave up last time....

A lot of my friends in the earlier days gave up their PR because they couldn't meet the 2 years stay after they graduated from Uni. It was very much easier to get our PR in the earlier days as well.

Nowadays the Aussie PR is a lot more desirable with the direction that Malaysia is heading (especially for the younger generations).

Following was my plan and things look to be turning out well today :-

I sent my children out when they were 13+ and 14+. It would be easier to assimilate if they started early. Today, they're doing okay,... I don't need to be there permanently with them, but I am ready to help them when they wished to start their own business and when they need to buy houses.

Hence, I don't need to apply for PR and don't need to try meet the two-out-of-five year requirement. We still have to earn a living in this place, and need to travel for our investment requirements. It's very challenging if we have to always think of complying with the PR process.

It's better to remain a non-PR for us older generation,... but at the same time, be able to stay in another country as a resident with houses and children there.

Definitely agree with you about not needing PR when you are much older. The PR 2 year restriction is very prohibitive and restrictive.

I have nieces and nephews who went over to do their high school and was able to adapt quite well to life after graduating Uni in Sydney - they all are doing well and in good jobs so going there a little earlier was beneficial for them. The only problem with younger people nowadays is that parents may need to help children with the initial deposit to get them started in the housing market. Properties are so expensive in Melbourne and Sydney!!

Trying to think from the other govt's pov, I think,... the PR thing is supposed to make one stay there PERMANENTLY and NOT to encourage him to try squeeze thru the rules and still wanting to catch-hold of the PR-ship and of course, all the benefits that come with it.

Yeah,... when one is young, it is easier for one to adapt to the locals' behaviour, and to accept changes in the norms of the society that they were born into. I have friends whose children ended-up :-

1) rushing to return to their home countries after graduation,... waiting to go home.
2) staying there reluctantly becos couldn't adapt but still had to stay becos of some problems which prevented them from returning home.
3) cutting short their studies and just left for home in the middle of their course.

Of course, there are those who were to keen to leave the country after studying there,... and there are those too who go to a third country after graduating.

I am glad I could encourage mine well enough to 'succeed there'. My boy even ended up with an ATAR score of '91',... which,.. tho' not that high compared to some of his friends', but he took hard subjects like Physics, Chem, Specialist Maths and Methods Maths.

I think today,... in many parts of the world,... parents need to help their kids to start-off in life,... I hear this everywhere around me among my peers. The difference is,... how much is a parent able to help with, bearing in mind, the parents themselves too need to save up for their old age.

Actually, bro,... for myself,... I don't really think Msia is that bad.

For one, the Msian gov't doesnt really prevent you from doing too many things in life.

They don't limit you from investing your money outside of Msia. They don't impose international tax.

They allow you to have two passports, tho' they say otherwise, but they don't enforce closely.

The tax rates here are not that high compared to many countries.

Mkt is inefficient because of racial segregation activities, hence, allowing everybody to be able to earn money.

Gov't enforcement actions are not too efficient,... there is goodness in this.

Be careful of the holding 2 passports - i think the govt is trying to clamp on this. I went to renew my passport last month in Jln Duta and was asked how i managed to live so long in Sydney - the Immigration wants to prove i have not taken up Aust citizenship. I reluctantly showed them my rrv and they were happy with that - if i had taken up Aust citizenship, i would have no way of proving i am still a Msian citizen.

Agree that Msia is still a good place to live provided you have sufficient funds without needing to resort to the 'tongkat' mentality.

my business sector friends who came back all say the same....it's not a bad place to do business, for 2 of the points above....

everything can be "adjusted"....lol

and the intrinsic inefficiencies allow you to get ahead, and avoid the rules....lol lol

Yeah bro,.........

The tradeoff is : poor governance gives rise to poor currency. Hence, whatever one earns here is weaker when brought out to be spent in the outside world, and inflation rises strongly when the outside world starts changing.

To workaround the above 'negative consequence', one either works in a foreign country with a stronger currency, but when that happens that same person might be subjected to the 'efficient' govt.

Or,..... one earns the local currency and then sends the funds out to be invested in a foreign country,... earning the stronger foreign currency.

Actually you can clearly project what will happen in the future - people living here will not have sufficient funds to live and have to resort to crime to justify their daily means.

I didn't know the culture in Malaysia very well as i have lived in Sydney too long having never worked in Msia at all. Coming back here and living here makes me realise how lucky i have been living in Sydney in my working years. I would never have got as far as i have living here in Msia. I am glad i migrated at a very age. I have the funds for a very comfortable retirement so can choose whether i want to live in Msia or return to Aust. I can see the future of the nons in this country is looking extremely bleak unless you are fortunate to be born in a wealthy family. Very sad to see this happen in this country.

Bro Gary,... Chinese adapt and prosper everywhere they go to. But,... that's just my thinking,.. still, having travelled vastly and having lived in different countries,... I'd think my observation shld be quite accurate.

Actually my huge group of ex-Msian friends (mostly Chinese) have all done very well belonging to the boomer generation - most of them live in Maroubra, Malabar and Matraville - we were the first generation migrants and were very thrifty in our earlier days. Their children are mostly ABCs and will never return to Msia to live - the children have all mostly graduated from Uni (somehow we first generation migrants all view tertiary education as extremely important and push the children hard in their studies). If i had children, i would definitely remained in Sydney for my retirement.

I first joined LYN to find out retirement costs in Msia and i didn't expect that it is so much cheaper. I tend to be a worrier in nature and always make sure that if i spend $10, i have at least $100 in my pocket . Somehow migrant life has made us very independent and also a stronger in nature.

I think the offer is too low for you. The reason is I am currently on $130k before super (about $143k all in before bonuses etc.) and when I scoped my market in Malaysia I was only getting offers in the RM150k to RM180k range so if you're on RM200k I would imagine that you should be coming in at a higher price bracket.

Australia is severely understaffed at the moment and you should not sell yourself short. Australian companies always take advantage of people moving to the country from Asian countries because they assume that your desire to move will be greater than your desire for financial reward but try not to fall into this trap. Try to get paid what a local (or European, Japanese, American etc. expat) would get paid for the role. Don't let them take advantage of you.

Damn, 130k is a lot of money, that's like top 85 percentile in Au. I'm pretty envious, but it's good for ya. On that note, I think it's probably a lot tougher for someone who's never worked in Australia to get a really high offer (except those from certain countries, like SG) as most likely the employer will probably say something akin to 'no local experience'. Hopefully others who come here won't have to go through the same things I did, having to restart the career.

Also, working in Msia is pretty tough - long work hours coupled with bad work culture (also present in Au) + horrible traffic or public transport is just a no go for me. If one has to go through this, might as well work in Sg and get paid in SGD. Working in SG also probably affords one better career opportunity and growth too. The Msian brain drain won't be stopping anytime soon while the top dogs are only looking to enrich themselves. I'm predicting that things will get a lot worse for minorities and non-elites once the gov is out of money.

Now that i have lived 13 months in KL, i am beginning to understand the plight of the nons (especially if you are not very rich). I didn't realise all these difficulties of getting a good education for the nons unless you are willing to pay. I now understand why so many people want to migrate. I now am beginning to realise how we have been so lucky living in Aust. Aust has a totally different culture but at least migrants are still given a fair go in life.

This post has been edited by Garysydney: Jul 2 2022, 09:29 PM

Unfortunately that's how it is - hence why the exodus has been going on for a long time and my uncle has foreseen this when he left for the UK decades ago. I've been seeing a lot more people ask my wife on how we migrated to Aus. Chances are it's gonna be extra hard for them now given the difficulty in getting a PR.
In Aus there's Pauline Hanson, which is a symbol for the anti-immigrantion and back home we have may of the ministers which would give her a run for her money. When I hear western countries complain about systemic discrimination, I think they have no inkling of what it's truly like where the gov implements laws that discriminate against the minority instead of boosting them up.

Public education is failing the children and lots of parents tend to put their kids in chinese or private schools (our ministers are the best at placing their kids in renowed private schools). Unis have racial quotas instead of a merit based system. Government interferes into successful business wanting a stake of the pie by owning 51% of the company to earn their profits but not lifting a finger. These are only a few of the many gov mismanagement - there's bound to be a lot more stories. I think it's good you're retaining your Aussie PR.

It depends on the context. For someone making RM200k in Malaysia, their quality of life would be higher than someone making $130k in Australia which is why I suggested that the original poster not settle on an offer which appears low for their skillset and experience. On $110k which is the offer they were getting, they’d be below manager level whilst RM200k in Malaysia would indicate they are an experienced manager/senior manager. This is a significant compromise on position and pay.

I agree that Australian employers overvalue local experience but where there are severe skill shortages they are willing to pay a premium. I think Malaysians often sell themselves short when they move here, and I find it quite frustrating. I did the same thing and I regret it. One of my colleagues who just joined from Malaysia was downgraded two levels when he joined us recently and I feel frustrated for him because he is better than the locals above him but because he came from Malaysia they downgraded him.

It’s a difficult situation because on the one hand you want to move and don’t really care about the pay. I was the same way when I first moved but having been here for 4/5 years I realise that this might not have been the best thing for my career.

Generally, don't convert. Then you get the real "PPP" of your income. Things are very expensive in Australia, and a seemingly high income when converted into MYR and thinking in Msian costs, may actually be quite a struggle at real Aussie costs. So moving from MYR200k to AUD130k is actually a downgrade.

But as stated in other posts, there are other considerations other than income when people migrate. In the Malaysia context, the push factor is very strong....As Gary is finding out. When your children comes into the equation (by implication, looking 50 years into the future), the trajectory of Msian is not promising.

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jul 4 2022, 05:25 PM