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post Aug 9 2016, 07:53 AM

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QUOTE(tishaban @ Aug 8 2016, 02:16 PM)
Personally this statement "Asians not easy to get promoted in my organization" is one that I would worry about a lot more than anything else. I don't want to be in a company where there is perceived discrimination.

Nothing wrong with resigning in 3 months, just say you don't fit the culture. I'm a hiring manager and I would accept that excuse
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Thanks Tishaban for your advise. I will give myself another month time. If I still cannot adapt, I will start looking for alternatives.
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QUOTE(alwayshappy @ Aug 8 2016, 10:43 PM)
I reckon the take home pay will be about the same. The median income in Australia is higher but the tax rate is also higher.
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I would say my annual income in SG was higher than annual income in Aus, partly because in Aus - here don't have AWS (13 month bonus) and most non-MNCs firm doesn't have variable bonus.
Also, there isn't any employer-contribution for super (CPF).

I would say take home pay is about the same/ slightly lower for my case. Note: I held managerial position here so Im not under the "minimum wage category".

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post Aug 9 2016, 08:04 AM

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It really depends if you are single or married and married with kids, all three will have different expectations here.

Single - Life here might not be what you expected if you are comparing with back home, going out , mamak etc

Married no kids - Life here can be interesting as you plant your roots , settle in with work and generally have each other to rely on.

Married with kids- Life here is the best, kids adapt quickly with schooling, security concerns are low . Your child's quality of life and experience will be at its peak. Never a dull day or weekend with tons of activities for both kids and adults.
I have not a single day of regret moving here. My kid walks to school just seeing how happy she is is priceless compared to the sheltered life she had .

My wife does not clutch her purse or look over her shoulder when she walks day or night. This is priceless.

What we earn allows us to achieve our own goals a lot quicker, although tax is high i get to see my tax dollars being spent on essentials everyday. Good parks all over the place, public transportation etc. My kid goes to government school and i can tell you the facilities and staff are much much better then most private schools in KL.

I guess it all depends on what stage you are in life, status etc...migration is not for everyone and if you decide to take the plunge like the thousands yearly then give it your best and manage your expectations.
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QUOTE(selvenz @ Aug 9 2016, 08:04 AM)
It really depends if you are single or married and married with kids, all three will have different expectations here.

Single - Life here might not be what you expected if you are comparing with back home, going out , mamak etc

Married no kids - Life here can be interesting as you plant your roots , settle in with work and generally have each other to rely on.

Married with kids- Life here is the best, kids adapt quickly with schooling, security concerns are low . Your child's quality of life and experience will be at its peak. Never a dull day or weekend with tons of activities for both kids and adults.
I have not a single day of regret moving here. My kid walks to school just seeing how happy she is  is priceless compared to the sheltered life she had .

My wife does not clutch her purse or look over her shoulder when she walks day or night. This is priceless.

What we earn allows us to achieve our own goals a lot quicker, although tax is high i get to see my tax dollars being spent on essentials everyday. Good parks all over the place, public transportation etc. My kid goes to government school and i can tell you the facilities and staff are much much better then most private schools in KL.

I guess it all depends on what stage you are in life, status etc...migration is not for everyone and if you decide to take the plunge like the thousands yearly then give it your best and manage your expectations.
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Hi Selvenz, thanks for your sharing. Yes, if you were to compare Malaysia vs Australia - in all aspects I agree.

The descriptions for "married no kids" and "married with kids" are also valid in Singapore. Last few week (weekend) I rented a car for road trip. Guess what? I almost hit someone. The guys who are drunk (and still holding a beer bottle) had no sense of direction and walked on the road out of sudden. The drinker scolded me vulgar words (and I heard - do you know driving!) I was like what?! I never expect this happen in Melbourne. Probably I should just listen to my friends - stay at home or don't drive at night during weekend.
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QUOTE(z21j @ Aug 9 2016, 07:39 AM)
The reason I moved over to Aus was that I wish to own a property(that I call it "Home") + car whereby I can truly "enjoy life"! I wouldn't be able to own a property + car (probably in 10 yrs time). I can fulfill my wish list in Aus like within a year time cause the property+car here are relatively cheaper.

I find Aus is too relaxing, the quality of the outcome is always bare minimum, and most important - I'm not a "parrot". People who are outspoken here tend to have higher opportunities. I've seen locals shouted at PRC visitors and say "why are you speaking in foreign language when you are in English-speaking country!". Go dating? All shops here close early. So, can only stay at home watch movie/youtube. I stayed in Richmond suburb, most of my colleagues stay in South/South-east Melb. At night, I would not be able to hang out with friends which I could do so back then in SG/KL/Osaka.

I came to Aus with 10% "paycut" because I wanted to fulfill the 2 yrs stay for my subclass 190 visa. The very obvious reason that I applied Aus PR was - I thought Aus would have better career opportunities with work-life balance. I can finish my work for the day within hours and the rest of my time - lowyatnet. Yet, I was advised by my peers that I should take it easy and should not "ask for more troubles" by completing fast.

No offend. If I have a family and I were 40 this year, I'm certainly like this kind of life. I'm just struggling between resign+go back KL/SG now or look for another job in Sydney (busier city)+resign. Anyway, all these are probably just happened to me.
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talking from personal experience... the slow pace was one reason i left Aussie after my studies...
it was too slow and you know... young chap with a burning desire to build a career using the shortest time possible? laugh.gif
nope, didn't see that at all in Aussie sweat.gif

come back started a career in as an IT trainee... never looked back...
fast forward many years later, the thought of a slower, safer lifestyle came knocking at the back of my head...
Singapore was the first country that came to mind... then Aussie... the urge came upon the birth of my first child...
but like you said, the ability to get a property was one of the main reason i chose Aussie over Singapore...

oh well... i have mixed reactions as i've been reading a lot of life in Aussie... but it seems i don't have much choice... frankly a lot of my Singaporean colleagues are also looking into migration, most of them already with families though...

if i'm in your shoes, i might give Sydney a try... no harm since worst case is just pack and go back right? good luck and looking forward to hear more from you thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(z21j @ Aug 9 2016, 07:57 AM)
I would say my annual income in SG was higher than annual income in Aus, partly because in Aus - here don't have AWS (13 month bonus) and most non-MNCs firm doesn't have variable bonus.
Also, there isn't any employer-contribution for super (CPF). 

I would say take home pay is about the same/ slightly lower for my case. Note: I held managerial position here so Im not under the "minimum wage category".
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Have never work in Singapore full time before but comparing with my friends from Singapore in the same field, the annual salary is much higher even after tax. (Note: This is WA)

Though you are right, there is no 13 months bonus but what we do have is performance bonus. The super for me is contributed by my company, which is compulsory for full time employees. Though there is no employee contribution.
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QUOTE(selvenz @ Aug 9 2016, 08:04 AM)
It really depends if you are single or married and married with kids, all three will have different expectations here.

Single - Life here might not be what you expected if you are comparing with back home, going out , mamak etc

Married no kids - Life here can be interesting as you plant your roots , settle in with work and generally have each other to rely on.

Married with kids- Life here is the best, kids adapt quickly with schooling, security concerns are low . Your child's quality of life and experience will be at its peak. Never a dull day or weekend with tons of activities for both kids and adults.
I have not a single day of regret moving here. My kid walks to school just seeing how happy she is  is priceless compared to the sheltered life she had .

My wife does not clutch her purse or look over her shoulder when she walks day or night. This is priceless.

What we earn allows us to achieve our own goals a lot quicker, although tax is high i get to see my tax dollars being spent on essentials everyday. Good parks all over the place, public transportation etc. My kid goes to government school and i can tell you the facilities and staff are much much better then most private schools in KL.

I guess it all depends on what stage you are in life, status etc...migration is not for everyone and if you decide to take the plunge like the thousands yearly then give it your best and manage your expectations.
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Excellent examples and pretty sure a lot of people would benefit from your experience.

I'm not yet married and definitely no kids for the moment but I love the extra time that I have which I have used it to improve and further develop myself. Also, one point being in Australia is I did manage to buy a property for myself which most of my peers in Malaysia and Singapore are still struggling with. Guess it's a plus point being here.

That being said, each country has its own benefits and downside. I do admit that I miss the night life and Nasi lemak!
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QUOTE(z21j @ Aug 9 2016, 07:39 AM)
The reason I moved over to Aus was that I wish to own a property(that I call it "Home") + car whereby I can truly "enjoy life"! I wouldn't be able to own a property + car (probably in 10 yrs time). I can fulfill my wish list in Aus like within a year time cause the property+car here are relatively cheaper.

I find Aus is too relaxing, the quality of the outcome is always bare minimum, and most important - I'm not a "parrot". People who are outspoken here tend to have higher opportunities. I've seen locals shouted at PRC visitors and say "why are you speaking in foreign language when you are in English-speaking country!". Go dating? All shops here close early. So, can only stay at home watch movie/youtube. I stayed in Richmond suburb, most of my colleagues stay in South/South-east Melb. At night, I would not be able to hang out with friends which I could do so back then in SG/KL/Osaka.

I came to Aus with 10% "paycut" because I wanted to fulfill the 2 yrs stay for my subclass 190 visa. The very obvious reason that I applied Aus PR was - I thought Aus would have better career opportunities with work-life balance. I can finish my work for the day within hours and the rest of my time - lowyatnet. Yet, I was advised by my peers that I should take it easy and should not "ask for more troubles" by completing fast.

No offend. If I have a family and I were 40 this year, I'm certainly like this kind of life. I'm just struggling between resign+go back KL/SG now or look for another job in Sydney (busier city)+resign. Anyway, all these are probably just happened to me.
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I guess after all the trouble you had to apply for migration and gotten it, give some time to settle and adapt to the new environment. From a bustling city like SG to a slow and relaxed place in Australia, I do agree its not easy shift, unless you've been dreading the busy lifestyle since the beginning. My uncle who lived in SG for a long long long time dreaded Australian life, as though he's lived in for a year in Melbourne, he still can't shake of his busy lifestyle in SG. Stayed on only for the sake of his two daughters' education. Only way to fulfill his busy lifestyle is to stay right in the city, only then his satisfaction increased by, like, 10-20%.

Don't rush to go back from just arriving. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 10 2016, 05:12 AM

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QUOTE(z21j @ Aug 9 2016, 07:57 AM)
I would say my annual income in SG was higher than annual income in Aus, partly because in Aus - here don't have AWS (13 month bonus) and most non-MNCs firm doesn't have variable bonus.
Also, there isn't any employer-contribution for super (CPF). 

I would say take home pay is about the same/ slightly lower for my case. Note: I held managerial position here so Im not under the "minimum wage category".
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It depends on the which company you got into and some luck as well.
I am also a manager and the first company I joined in Aus gave me 20% more than my annual income in SG.
Also promotion here can be very quick if you are capable - no wait for annual appraisal, it can happen in a month's time.
I have more savings in Aus even after tax withheld and with a car - note that I had no car in SG.
There's no CPF but you should have superannuation which is 9.5% of your income.

This post has been edited by azrb.com: Aug 10 2016, 05:13 AM
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QUOTE(z21j @ Aug 9 2016, 07:39 AM)
The reason I moved over to Aus was that I wish to own a property(that I call it "Home") + car whereby I can truly "enjoy life"! I wouldn't be able to own a property + car (probably in 10 yrs time). I can fulfill my wish list in Aus like within a year time cause the property+car here are relatively cheaper.

I find Aus is too relaxing, the quality of the outcome is always bare minimum, and most important - I'm not a "parrot". People who are outspoken here tend to have higher opportunities. I've seen locals shouted at PRC visitors and say "why are you speaking in foreign language when you are in English-speaking country!". Go dating? All shops here close early. So, can only stay at home watch movie/youtube. I stayed in Richmond suburb, most of my colleagues stay in South/South-east Melb. At night, I would not be able to hang out with friends which I could do so back then in SG/KL/Osaka.

I came to Aus with 10% "paycut" because I wanted to fulfill the 2 yrs stay for my subclass 190 visa. The very obvious reason that I applied Aus PR was - I thought Aus would have better career opportunities with work-life balance. I can finish my work for the day within hours and the rest of my time - lowyatnet. Yet, I was advised by my peers that I should take it easy and should not "ask for more troubles" by completing fast.

No offend. If I have a family and I were 40 this year, I'm certainly like this kind of life. I'm just struggling between resign+go back KL/SG now or look for another job in Sydney (busier city)+resign. Anyway, all these are probably just happened to me.
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Maybe you are too young for the relaxed lifestyle here.
For night life there are bars and clubs, can try your luck with pokies.
Isn't there late night shopping in Melbourne on Thursdays? Or you can bring your date for a movie at the cinema.

Have a think about it..Is work life balance or quality of life what you want?
Also in Australia you have 4 weeks' annual leave and back in KL or SG I think it's 14 days

And don't forget to think about the food. There are lots of good restaurants in Melbourne,
but I miss the food in Malaysia a lot! sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif
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QUOTE(z21j @ Aug 9 2016, 10:57 AM)
I would say my annual income in SG was higher than annual income in Aus, partly because in Aus - here don't have AWS (13 month bonus) and most non-MNCs firm doesn't have variable bonus.
Also, there isn't any employer-contribution for super (CPF). 

I would say take home pay is about the same/ slightly lower for my case. Note: I held managerial position here so Im not under the "minimum wage category".
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You need higher taxes cos the gov still subsidizes healthcare, education and aged care. U can have a lower tax rate but pay out of yr own pocket for additional insurance, uni fees etc.
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QUOTE(azrb.com @ Aug 10 2016, 05:35 AM)
Maybe you are too young for the relaxed lifestyle here.
For night life there are bars and clubs, can try your luck with pokies.
Isn't there late night shopping in Melbourne on Thursdays? Or you can bring your date for a movie at the cinema.

Have a think about it..Is work life balance or quality of life what you want?
Also in Australia you have 4 weeks' annual leave and back in KL or SG I think it's 14 days

And don't forget to think about the food. There are lots of good restaurants in Melbourne,
but I miss the food in Malaysia a lot!  sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif
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frankly there's nothing much to miss about the food nowadays... its very difficult to find cooks who are locals now...
and the quality is inconsistent... and it sways more to bad than good...

oh well... maybe i can say that since i'm still here, i might give the same rant you gave when i'm there laugh.gif
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Good day Seniors,

I have just obtained my visa 189 recently but I am still in Malaysia as I have yet to get a job in Australia. Looking at the current economy of the O&G industry, the outlook doesn't look so good hence I am slowly taking my time to fully move over. I am heading over by end of this month for a week's holiday and to activate my visa therefore I have a few questions that hopefully my seniors here can advise.

1. Can I set up a bank account without an australian permanent address? If I able to, which bank is the best for me to apply?
2. I heard something about medicard. It seems like I am only able to apply if I am currently residing in Australia right?
3. Any other advise before I move over?
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QUOTE(Nemesis181188 @ Aug 10 2016, 09:12 AM)
Good day Seniors,

I have just obtained my visa 189 recently but I am still in Malaysia as I have yet to get a job in Australia. Looking at the current economy of the O&G industry, the outlook doesn't look so good hence I am slowly taking my time to fully move over. I am heading over by end of this month for a week's holiday and to activate my visa therefore I have a few questions that hopefully my seniors here can advise.

1. Can I set up a bank account without an australian permanent address? If I able to, which bank is the best for me to apply?
yes you can, don't know you so can't answer what's best but you can try any of the big 4s
2. I heard something about medicard. It seems like I am only able to apply if I am currently residing in Australia right?
3. Any other advise before I move over?
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if you are not there permanently, stuff like TFN, medicare and drivers license don't apply to you i think
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QUOTE(Nemesis181188 @ Aug 10 2016, 09:12 AM)
Good day Seniors,

I have just obtained my visa 189 recently but I am still in Malaysia as I have yet to get a job in Australia. Looking at the current economy of the O&G industry, the outlook doesn't look so good hence I am slowly taking my time to fully move over. I am heading over by end of this month for a week's holiday and to activate my visa therefore I have a few questions that hopefully my seniors here can advise.

1. Can I set up a bank account without an australian permanent address? If I able to, which bank is the best for me to apply?
2. I heard something about medicard. It seems like I am only able to apply if I am currently residing in Australia right?
3. Any other advise before I move over?
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1. No. You need to have a permanent address for them to post your bank card to. They need to verify your ID (passports, drivers license, Medicare card etc.) and you need to have enough points to proof your identity.

2. To apply for Medicare for the first time, you need to be physically present at a Medicare office with your passport and visa grant details.

IMHO, don't open a bank account or apply for medicare and TFN until you are here permanently. All these require you to have a permanent address - They will post the bank card, Medicare card, TFN details etc. to your permanent address. Only do all these when you move to Australia for good.
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QUOTE(tatty89 @ Aug 4 2016, 01:21 PM)
EPF cannot give you translated version of statement cuz their official format is in BM. I went to the puchong branch to get the letter. They have a customer service counter hidden at one corner.
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Hi Tatty89,

I did call Vetassess (Skill Assessment Authority for ANZSCO 2212), they mentioned that the employer's name must be written on my EPF statement.
But our EPF Statements have only "No. of Majikan", my previous employer has failed to provide any document in reflect to that "No. of Majikan".

The EPF Letter you've mentioned earlier, the one that you pestered to get.
What kind of letter is that? What does it prove?

My current problem is, I'm worried that a simple English translated EPF Statement may not suffice.

Btw, I also cannot provide the first month and last month payslips for my previous employment.

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QUOTE(alwayshappy @ Aug 10 2016, 09:34 AM)
1. No. You need to have a permanent address for them to post your bank card to. They need to verify your ID (passports, drivers license, Medicare card etc.) and you need to have enough points to proof your identity.
not really...
you can apply commbank account online from malaysia, and after few days they will send u sms that your card is ready.
when you reach australia, you just need to go to the branch to show your passport and get your debit card immediately.

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QUOTE(Nemesis181188 @ Aug 10 2016, 12:12 PM)
1. Can I set up a bank account without an australian permanent address? If I able to, which bank is the best for me to apply?
2. I heard something about medicard. It seems like I am only able to apply if I am currently residing in Australia right?
3. Any other advise before I move over?
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You can rent a PO box at a post office, or if you have any friends or relatives, u can borrow that.
Most correspondence come thru email anyway.

Medicare card, not Medicard. This will enable you to obtain subsidised medicine and claim GP fees.

It will be better if u can also apply for a Tax File Number. U can enter this info when u open a bank account.

This post has been edited by shazam7: Aug 10 2016, 12:47 PM
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QUOTE(azrb.com @ Aug 10 2016, 05:35 AM)
Maybe you are too young for the relaxed lifestyle here.
For night life there are bars and clubs, can try your luck with pokies.
Isn't there late night shopping in Melbourne on Thursdays? Or you can bring your date for a movie at the cinema.

Have a think about it..Is work life balance or quality of life what you want?
Also in Australia you have 4 weeks' annual leave and back in KL or SG I think it's 14 days

And don't forget to think about the food. There are lots of good restaurants in Melbourne,
but I miss the food in Malaysia a lot!  sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif
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Malaysia is a minimum of 8 days annual leave.

I've been fortunate enough to be given 25 days a year, which is almost a month smile.gif , plus I can carry forward unused leave.

I just prefer the laid back lifestyle in Aus. I guess that comes with getting older. Also the chance to buy property. Heck, even before moving I'm already surveying and talking to people about it. Very sad that it's become too expensive to own landed property in Malaysia, especially in key areas. I have dogs, so I need landed property.

Lucky for me the dogs (even me included) still live at home haha.

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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Aug 10 2016, 09:25 AM)
if you are not there permanently, stuff like TFN, medicare and drivers license don't apply to you i think
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All can be done when making 1st entry.

I've already opened my bank account (NAB< since there no account fees), and already have a TFN; applied when I was onshore, and the letter was sent to my aunt's place. Only thing is you cant apply for Medicare yet, until your permanent move.

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