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c.o.o.l
post Sep 10 2009, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Sep 9 2009, 03:22 PM)
i currently have AIA investment linked policy which was bought 6 - 7 years ago. I'm currently reevaluating the policy especially the medical plan coverage and found out that the coverage in the plan is not good enough now. I'm looking at alternative new policy from Allianz PowerLink now and wondering what i should do. Basically, I have a few options below:

A) Upgrade the medical plan in current policy to higher coverage - but the upgrade might be still subject to limitations that exist in the T & C specified in the policy 7 years ago.

B) Scrap the medical plan in the investment link and buy stand alone medical card - disadvantage: potential have to spend more $ per year for insurance and moreover, i have hypertension now, i.e. new medical card will be more expensive

C) terminate AIA policy and buy new Allianz PowerLink - disadvantage: losses $ to terminate insurance policy.

What is a good option to choose from? appreciate comments and critics.
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A) Consult your agent about the upgrade and also how much you need to top up in order to get the protection you needed. Currently AIA having this ECP + MCP which improve the outpatient limit and also have unlimited lifetime limit. Then compare this with the other option.

B) If you currently having hypertension now, there might be loading/exclusion when you apply for a new one/upgrade.
Just take note on the following:
- Do not terminate your existing medical card before your new medical card complete its waiting period(include specific illness waiting period).
- Understand the pros and cons of standalone medical card compare to medical card attach as rider.

C) Not advisable. Your insurance policy already 6-7years, which the premium allocation is now 100%. Buying a new ILP will restart the premium allocation again which is not good for you.
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post Sep 10 2009, 04:15 PM

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if i upgrade to this new AIA ECP + MCP package, will i be subjected to medical checks since i have hypertension now (as compared to no such illness when i first bought the policy)? any AIA agent care to explain?

QUOTE(c.o.o.l @ Sep 10 2009, 02:15 PM)
A) Consult your agent about the upgrade and also how much you need to top up in order to get the protection you needed. Currently AIA having this ECP + MCP which improve the outpatient limit and also have unlimited lifetime limit. Then compare this with the other option.

B) If you currently having hypertension now, there might be loading/exclusion when you apply for a new one/upgrade.
    Just take note on the following:
    - Do not terminate your existing medical card before your new medical card complete its waiting period(include specific illness waiting period).
    - Understand the pros and cons of standalone medical card compare to medical card attach as rider.

C) Not advisable. Your insurance policy already 6-7years, which the premium allocation is now 100%. Buying a new ILP will restart the premium allocation again which is not good for you.
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post Sep 11 2009, 12:20 AM

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From what I know, medical insurance will ask for "have you been diagnosed with any illness, treatment, claim history in the past 5 years".

If you said no, then you are committing a fraud as the insurance company can find your medical history record and can deny your claim later.

It is better to be honest upfront.

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post Sep 11 2009, 01:26 AM

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agree with what he said. Better be honest and don't give up policy.

Yup.loading might have since you have your health condition. i agree with what c.o.ol. said on medical card upgrade.
Please prepare extra budget if you wish to buy a standalone medical card as standalone medical card cost increase by age.

any decision make on surrender or upgrade, please consult your agent for further advice.

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post Sep 11 2009, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Sep 10 2009, 04:15 PM)
if i upgrade to this new AIA ECP + MCP package, will i be subjected to medical checks since i have hypertension now (as compared to no such illness when i first bought the policy)? any AIA agent care to explain?
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I believe that whether or not you need to do medical checkup will depends on the underwriter not the agent. What you can do is to consult your agent about this and ask him based on his past experience about this case in AIA. And also agent will need to know what is your current policy type/plan is. Then only they can tell you whether you are entitled to upgrade or not.

Hypertension doesn't means that you will definitely get loading/exclusion. It will depends also on the severities. My father is also having hypertension when I propose a case for him, but he still get accepted as a standard case without any loading/exclusion.
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post Sep 11 2009, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(leecy @ Sep 11 2009, 01:26 AM)
agree with what he said.  Better be honest and don't give up policy.

Yup.loading might have since you have your health condition. i agree with what c.o.ol. said on medical card upgrade.
Please prepare extra  budget if you wish to buy a standalone medical card as standalone medical card cost increase by age.

any decision make on surrender or upgrade, please consult your agent for further advice.
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I'm not an insurance agent, but this is what I know as a fact :

Doesn't matter your medical plan is standalone or ILP, medical card cost/charges do INCREASE based on insurance co's band! Only difference in ILP is you won't notice the increase unless you read your yearly policy statement.

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post Sep 11 2009, 03:16 PM

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yes, i do know that the premium for the medical plan is deducted through the units in the ILP. i do go through the yearly statements.

btw, i do see the term "deductible" in AIA policy (for RM250). i cant recall what this deductible is for. can anyone enlighten me?

QUOTE(numbertwo @ Sep 11 2009, 12:40 PM)
I'm not an insurance agent, but this is what I know as a fact :

Doesn't matter your medical plan is standalone or ILP, medical card cost/charges do INCREASE based on insurance co's band!  Only difference in ILP is you won't notice the increase unless you read your yearly policy statement.
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post Sep 11 2009, 04:19 PM

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why don't you copy & paste the whole phrase from the AIA policy to show us where this RM250 comes from?

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post Sep 11 2009, 04:42 PM

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it was from the brochure that i saw and i dont have the policy doc with me.
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post Sep 11 2009, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(klang-valley @ Sep 11 2009, 12:20 AM)
From what I know, medical insurance will ask for "have you been diagnosed with any illness, treatment, claim history in the past 5 years".

If you said no, then you are committing a fraud as the insurance company can find your medical history record and can deny your claim later.

It is better to be honest upfront.
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One of the principle of insurance is "uberima fide" latin for upmost good faith.

This means that the insurer take up your risk in the understanding that you "the insurer" has disclosed all the relevant information in good faith.

If you did not, then the insurer has the legal right to contest your claim in future.

That is a very unfortunate scenario.

If you are have high risk, then pay the loading and still get yourself covered.

This is better than having pay your premium all the years for nothing when the insurer contest your claim.

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post Sep 11 2009, 08:41 PM

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I am trying to buy a simple Term Insurance with "NO cash value", "NO Investment Link", "NO Savings", etc...
I want something where I pay just for coverage and then money "BURN".


All the insurance agent I have met
never seem to have such plan or no interest. ( i can understand why)

I am looking for insurance that cover Life, PA & Critical Illness.
Coverage = 350k
Age = 30
Term = 70-100 year-age
Non-Smoking

What's the premium?
Anyone can quote me?

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leecy
post Sep 11 2009, 10:18 PM

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I have already PM you the information
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post Sep 12 2009, 12:31 AM

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Hi may I know which insurance company provide medical claim "as charged" without co-insurance. AFAIK
Pru = as charged but need co-insurance
Allianz = as charged subject to reasonable and customary charges no co-insurance
How about others? Thanks.
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post Sep 12 2009, 12:43 AM

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GE is as charged subject to overall annual limit and lifetime limit with 10-20% co-insurance

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post Sep 12 2009, 08:13 AM

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10-20% co-insurance? Wow that is quite high. Means whenever admitted need to pay 10-20% of the bill right? Not ideal for me. Hehe. But thanks for the info. How about others?
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post Sep 12 2009, 08:22 AM

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But there is cap to the amount of co-insurance. Maximum co-insurance is RM500. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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post Sep 12 2009, 09:00 AM

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For GE, example client purchase Room&Board 150 plan,

- If client admitted to a room costing less or equal to rm150 per night, then the co-insurance is 10% with a max cap of rm500.

- If client admitted to a room costing more then rm150, then the co-insurance is 20% with NO CAP.

This is what I understand. Please do correct me if I'm wrong.
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post Sep 12 2009, 10:46 AM

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yup. Your understanding is correct,scorpionade.
This is term for GE
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post Sep 12 2009, 02:35 PM

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Ok noted. So how about AIA or ING?
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post Sep 12 2009, 05:34 PM

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Prudential - 10%, min RM300, max RM1000
GE - 10%, max RM500, 20% if exceed room limit
ING - no co-insurance
Allianz - no co-insurance
AIA - 10% max RM3000 if exceed free co-insurance amount



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