Oklah u win
still u dont have any conscience kah
what wromg having a debate in the first place...i see that more gentleman fighting n more justice rather than one ask, one answer but cant ask back

All malaysian want is the truth...should malaysiaj do the demanding for a live debate. That will be great, no? Instead u just follos tony blindky

A lOT OF QUESTION

connection with Justo is one of it..why arul cant do integrity counter-check with Tony's source of info from Tony's question...???

ahaaa....

see....now i wana ask...is this a "TALK-SHOW" or is this an "INTERROGATION LIVE ON TV"..???

see...Tony cant be all at the same time.

see Arul's statement;




if u wanna know all the truth, then be neutral & independent..its not a court, its a live TV show...so be professional

& suddenly Tony say its a question-answer session only..Tony ask, Arul answer, whatever silly the question is

In August, Tony Pua shared in his Facebook page a M'kini article headline "MP (Tony) dares Arul to debate after ‘open book’ claim" and said, in his own words, "So I'm sure Malaysians would be very interested to see an open dialogue or debate between Arul and myself."
https://m.facebook.com/MPTonyPua/posts/1015...100006264096443

This was in August so he did shift from open dialogue or debate format to, as reported by Malaysiakini, where he said “It should be a question-and-answer session and not a debate, because I am asking the questions".
https://m.malaysiakini.com/news/317903

But of course Arul does want to ask about Tony Pua's involvement with Claire Brown whom he (Tony) admmited to have met.
http://www.therakyatpost.com/news/2015/07/...h-say-tony-pua/

This is in relation to Thai police's revelation.On 18th July, Lt General Prawuth Thavornsiri, of Thai police, told Singapore's The Straits Times that a group obtained stolen 1MDB data from Justo and then "tampered with the data to discredit the (Malaysian) PM". Thai police said the group included a Malaysia-born woman who had moved to Britain and now own a news blog and someone from Najib's own party.
http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/e...in-1mdb-scandal

This post has been edited by rolling2014: Oct 31 2015, 08:53 PM

Arul prolly want to ask about Tony Pua's involvement with Claire Brown whom he (Tony) admmited to have met.
http://www.therakyatpost.com/news/2015/07/...h-say-tony-pua/

This is in relation to Thai police's revelation.On 18th July, Lt General Prawuth Thavornsiri, of Thai police, told Singapore's The Straits Times that a group obtained stolen 1MDB data from Justo and then "tampered with the data to discredit the (Malaysian) PM". Thai police said the group included a Malaysia-born woman who had moved to Britain and now own a news blog
http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/e...in-1mdb-scandal

u wanna know the truth, the 'no hold barred' truth or u wwanna know the truth that only suits Tony Pua & the likes...???

Arul ask Tony to be professional..why...??? becos Tony also have his hand dirty with Justo fiasco...but then Tony is in PAC..so if u wanna know real truth, then be professional & be neutral, let two-way comm decide the truth

its an open-secret that its a debate before its being called a "talk show" with only Tony ask & Arul answer & no other way around for counter-balance of truth & facts

Tony takut ka..???

chicken or not he is..???

This post has been edited by keown83: Oct 31 2015, 09:04 PM

u wan debate ask your bapak aka dear leader TO FIRST SHOW UP for once

Lim sek see lah...

first timer non political inclined yet all he highlight are opposition .. kek.. so government very clean lar? so the majority malaysia who voted opposition all bodo bodo belaka.. ok.. only him pandai..

2 different issues. I was responding to the debate vs talk show issue.

They are 2 different challenges. The August one was to a dialogue or a debate which Arul did not respond to. The latest one from 2 days ago was a televised talk show challenge that Tony posed to Arul and the latter responded. I think his alleged meetings with both Claire and Justo are irrelevant when the argument is on debate vs talk show.

If you wanna talk about professionalism, shouldn't Najib step down as both PM and FM since he has the ability to hinder investigations into him and his pet project? The issues of Tony's professionalism or conduct are not relevent to your earlier assertion that Tony is chickening out from his challenge. Refer to my earlier reply regarding the 2 different challenges that Joe has also furnished you with. That's like you offering to loan me RM 50 in August but I refuse. You offer to loan me RM 30 in September and I agree but I ask where's the balance RM 20.

This post has been edited by neoexcaliber: Oct 31 2015, 09:12 PM

U want debate which more honor n justice
or want talk show which only one side communicatiom only

Doesn't matter what I want. At this moment, Arul agreed to Tony's latest challenge to answer questions on a live talk show and it was not a debate. If Arul did accept Tony's earlier proposal from August, then it's up to Arul to make it clear that it was in response to that and for Tony not to chicken out.

Actually both side are also not reporting the whole truth. That is just how the world works.

But what i don't like more about Lim Sian See as compared to other clear pro-opposition figures is that he/she always professed able to shift through the propaganda and the lies, yet he/she hides his identities and is clearly pro-BN yet all the while complaining about propaganda ?

Pffts with such convictions, his/her opinion is worth as much as the nonsense we write here as anon. It doesn't carry weight.

dont lie la...Arul statement confirmed that he also didnt know there's such condition as 1-sided "Question-Answer" on the so-called Talk-Show;



he didn't know what kind of the discussion is..for his logic, it shud be a talk from both side, be it discussion, debate, talk show, whatever the TV show called is

suddenly Tony Pua replied that it will be a 1-sided Question-Answer show..if that is, how can Arul counter-check facts & truth with Tony's information integrity..???

its obvious Tony chickened out

the 1st one is unofficial statement from Tony through his fb page..the 2nd one is official invitation with different name..Arul responded the official invitation

put najib out of this..its Tony who wanna debate with Arul, not debate with Najib

must remember that Tony is a member of PAC that investigate 1MDB..Tony must become neutral as he's the one who ask for the show\

ur metaphor of loan RM50 & Rm30 is irrelevant

This post has been edited by keown83: Oct 31 2015, 09:36 PM

On 30th Oct, Malaysiakini reported "Pua: My PAC role more important than 1MDB debate" in response to Arul's initial condition that Pua must resign from PAC for the live talk show to happen. Tony Pua was quoted to have said "If I go on a debate (with Arul Kanda), even if he tells the truth, there's nothing I can do other than just that," https://m.malaysiakini.com/news/317783

It was only on 31st Oct, after Arul dropped the condition, when Pua said “It should be a question-and-answer session and not a debate, because I am asking the questions".
https://m.malaysiakini.com/news/317903

So Pua never said it was 2 different issues (open dialouge ordebate and talk show) until today. But anyways watching live talk shows, the communication is always two ways eg open dialouge where both sides can ask questions, make comment back n forth etc

Anyways the Claire Brown connection is in regards to questions Arul would want to ask Tony Pua.

This post has been edited by rolling2014: Oct 31 2015, 09:42 PM

Please read joe's posts. This isn't a question of logic but based on the words used. I don't know who's responsible for the mix up but the challenge issued on October 29 concerned a live talk show.

Since you're using Malaysiakini as your reference, this is from October 29:
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/317595

Arul's reply on the same day:
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/317621

Whether it was the media, Arul or Tony who made the mix up is uncertain. I can't view the entire Malaysiakini transcript but this appeared in Malay Mail:

“Stop giving stupid conditions, accept my challenge like a man and let’s meet on live television,” Pua told a news conference here.
“I am not surprised by his statement accepting my challenge but putting conditions which do not make sense.
“No rule of law says I cannot pursue matters of public interest outside of the PAC,”

Interestingly, the title of the article includes the word 'debate' and I think his first statement on October 29 is quite clear since he mentioned 'live talk show' and not 'debate'.

No mention of the debate is mentioned in this article by the Star on the 29th either:
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2015...a-arul-hitback/

Either way, Tony has fallen for the trap and I'm starting to suspect that Malaysiakini is partly responsible for this mishap.

This post has been edited by neoexcaliber: Oct 31 2015, 09:48 PM

Anyhow... watching live talk shows, the communication is always two ways eg open dialouge, where interviewer and interviewee can ask questions, make comment back n forth,debate etc. Never seen such a strict live talk show where interviewee cannot ask questions, and it is strictly a Q&A

already stated that Tony Pua made statement unofficially on his fb page..Arul as a professional wont have to respond to Tony as its not even an official invitation

later, Tony officially invite Arul for the "Talk-Show" without any condition..Arul responded he can accept the invitation but Tony must 1st release his post in PAC..Tony decline..later Arul say its OK for Tony not to release his post in PAC & he accept to attend the "Talk-Show"..but then Tony reply that the show will base on 1-sided Question-Answer event

If Tony give full explanation of how the Talk-Show will be during the initial official invitation, do u think Arul will accept it in the 1st place..??? its a very silly rule..& obviously Tony chickened out when Arul dare to accept his invitation unconditionally so he change the rule

This post has been edited by keown83: Oct 31 2015, 10:00 PM

Tony would've earned extra brownie points if he agreed with the debate despite the confusion. I do agree with him that there's nothing much for him to answer other than questions regarding Clare, Justo and the alleged PAC leak which Nur Jazlan has denied.

You've answered your own question.

talk show
noun
noun: talk show; plural noun: talk shows; modifier noun: talk-show; noun: talkshow; plural noun: talkshows

a television or radio show in which various topics are discussed informally and listeners, viewers, or the studio audience are invited to participate in the discussion.

Tony doesn't want it to be a debate like those reported in the media but he could've used a better choice of words.

This post has been edited by neoexcaliber: Oct 31 2015, 10:03 PM

haih

whatever..already mention that the 1st statement is unofficial..the 2nd one is official..just that Tony wanna call it a 'Talk-Show', whatever that men..but Tony never reveal what kind of Talk-Show it will be, thus made Arul respond like this;



OK..what is a Talk Show..???

from wiki;


now, what is discuss..???

from wiki;



so where from both reference said that Talk-Show means that its a 1-way Question-Answer comm only...??? or is it a chicken Talk-Show..???

dafak now wanna spin on choice of word between 'debate' & 'talk-show' pulak

This post has been edited by keown83: Oct 31 2015, 10:11 PM