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post Oct 31 2015, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(neoexcaliber @ Oct 31 2015, 07:54 PM)
I think you should give up. 3 posts and he still refuses to accept that the latest challenge which Arul replied and agreed to was a televised talk show and not a debate. Whether or not Arul and the media intentionally turned it into a debate is uncertain at the moment. laugh.gif
He has been consistent that it'll be a talk show to allow 1mdb to answer his questions. It was never a debate. It's Arul and the media who are saying it's a debate all of a sudden. Why is that Tony's fault? He didn't set any condition for the live talk show challenge. You can attack him for not being bold enough but you can't say he's shifting the goal post.
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In August, Tony Pua shared in his Facebook page a M'kini article headline "MP (Tony) dares Arul to debate after ‘open book’ claim" and said, in his own words, "So I'm sure Malaysians would be very interested to see an open dialogue or debate between Arul and myself."
https://m.facebook.com/MPTonyPua/posts/1015...100006264096443

This was in August so he did shift from open dialogue or debate format to, as reported by Malaysiakini, where he said “It should be a question-and-answer session and not a debate, because I am asking the questions".
https://m.malaysiakini.com/news/317903

But of course Arul does want to ask about Tony Pua's involvement with Claire Brown whom he (Tony) admmited to have met.
http://www.therakyatpost.com/news/2015/07/...h-say-tony-pua/

This is in relation to Thai police's revelation.On 18th July, Lt General Prawuth Thavornsiri, of Thai police, told Singapore's The Straits Times that a group obtained stolen 1MDB data from Justo and then "tampered with the data to discredit the (Malaysian) PM". Thai police said the group included a Malaysia-born woman who had moved to Britain and now own a news blog and someone from Najib's own party.
http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/e...in-1mdb-scandal

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post Oct 31 2015, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(askingquestion @ Oct 31 2015, 08:25 PM)
Why do you insist that Arul must be able to question Tony?

What do Arul have to ask to Tony? Does the suspect in a trial question the judge or jury or lawyer?
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Arul prolly want to ask about Tony Pua's involvement with Claire Brown whom he (Tony) admmited to have met.
http://www.therakyatpost.com/news/2015/07/...h-say-tony-pua/

This is in relation to Thai police's revelation.On 18th July, Lt General Prawuth Thavornsiri, of Thai police, told Singapore's The Straits Times that a group obtained stolen 1MDB data from Justo and then "tampered with the data to discredit the (Malaysian) PM". Thai police said the group included a Malaysia-born woman who had moved to Britain and now own a news blog
http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/e...in-1mdb-scandal
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post Oct 31 2015, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(neoexcaliber @ Oct 31 2015, 09:10 PM)
2 different issues. I was responding to the debate vs talk show issue.
They are 2 different challenges. The August one was to a dialogue or a debate which Arul did not respond to. The latest one from 2 days ago was a televised talk show challenge that Tony posed to Arul and the latter responded. I think his alleged meetings with both Claire and Justo are irrelevant when the argument is on debate vs talk show.
If you wanna talk about professionalism, shouldn't Najib step down as both PM and FM since he has the ability to hinder investigations into him and his pet project? Refer to my earlier reply regarding the 2 different challenges that Joe has also furnished you with. That's like you offering to loan me RM 50 in August but I refuse. You offer to loan me RM 30 in September and I agree but I ask where's the balance RM 20.
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On 30th Oct, Malaysiakini reported "Pua: My PAC role more important than 1MDB debate" in response to Arul's initial condition that Pua must resign from PAC for the live talk show to happen. Tony Pua was quoted to have said "If I go on a debate (with Arul Kanda), even if he tells the truth, there's nothing I can do other than just that," https://m.malaysiakini.com/news/317783

It was only on 31st Oct, after Arul dropped the condition, when Pua said “It should be a question-and-answer session and not a debate, because I am asking the questions".
https://m.malaysiakini.com/news/317903

So Pua never said it was 2 different issues (open dialouge ordebate and talk show) until today. But anyways watching live talk shows, the communication is always two ways eg open dialouge where both sides can ask questions, make comment back n forth etc

Anyways the Claire Brown connection is in regards to questions Arul would want to ask Tony Pua.

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post Oct 31 2015, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(neoexcaliber @ Oct 31 2015, 09:47 PM)
Please read joe's posts. This isn't a question of logic but based on the words used. I don't know who's responsible for the mix up but the challenge issued on October 29 concerned a live talk show.
Since you're using Malaysiakini as your reference, this is from October 29:
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/317595

Arul's reply on the same day:
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/317621

Whether it was the media, Arul or Tony who made the mix up is uncertain. I can't view the entire Malaysiakini transcript but this appeared in Malay Mail:

“Stop giving stupid conditions, accept my challenge like a man and let’s meet on live television,” Pua told a news conference here.
“I am not surprised by his statement accepting my challenge but putting conditions which do not make sense.
“No rule of law says I cannot pursue matters of public interest outside of the PAC,”

Interestingly, the title of the article includes the word 'debate' and I think his first statement on October 29 is quite clear since he mentioned 'live talk show' and not 'debate'.

No mention of the debate is mentioned in this article by the Star on the 29th either:
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2015...a-arul-hitback/

Either way, Tony has fallen for the trap and I'm starting to suspect that Malaysiakini is partly responsible for this mishap.
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Anyhow... watching live talk shows, the communication is always two ways eg open dialouge, where interviewer and interviewee can ask questions, make comment back n forth,debate etc. Never seen such a strict live talk show where interviewee cannot ask questions, and it is strictly a Q&A

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