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post Mar 30 2017, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Mar 30 2017, 02:24 PM)
Xuzen won't come in here to argue with you, so you are safe.  innocent.gif
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LOL who knows... you also came over ma tongue.gif
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post Mar 30 2017, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 30 2017, 03:29 PM)
What would do if I tell you the UTFs at FSM SG is not as good as FSM MY?

"Wears a flame retardant suits and runs away!"

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Then I'll ask 1 question

Have you removed the forex gains from MY funds?

Or, add forex gains to the USD or SGD denominated funds in FSM SG

It's not so easy to compare due to forex factor
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post Mar 30 2017, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 30 2017, 03:42 PM)
Er talking to me or xuzen?
If me, when you are in SG, look at SGD. Don't look at RM. Later if you need the money, then only look at how much you make with the depreciation of RM.

Same thing apply for USD, etc.
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Xuzen la, kan I quote him

What I'm trying to say is, in order to compare a fund in FSM MY denominated in MYR with a fund in FSM SG denominated in SGD or USD; one needs to first put them all in the same currency. Otherwise it won't be comparing apple to apple lor.


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post Mar 31 2017, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 31 2017, 12:44 PM)
Good day to you good sister,

I will attempt to answer you question objectively. I shall use two examples. And for argument's sake I shall take TA GTF and RHB AIF. From friend Ramjade's words, TA GTF is the daughter of Henderson Global Tech fund denominated in SGD; whereas RHB AIF is the daughter fund of Schroder Asia Income fund. Both the mother funds are denominated in SGD.

A) Lets take case for RHB AIF.

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Lets say you participated SGD 1,000.00 into SAIF 3 years ago, today value shall be SGD 1,157.63, convert it to MYR as of today rate = SGD 1,157.63 x 3.16704 = MYR 3,666.24

Lets say you participate MYR 2,595.23 (eqv to SGD 1,000) into RHB AIF 3 years ago, today value shall be MYR 3,710.95

RHB AIF wins mother fund.

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B) Lets take the case for TA GTF

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Lets say you participated SGD 1,000.00 into HGTF 3 years ago, today value shall be SGD 1,453.65, convert it to MYR as of today rate = SGD 1,453.65 x 3.16704 = MYR 4,603.77

Lets say you participate MYR 2,595.23 (eqv to SGD 1,000.00) into TA GTF 3 years ago, today value shall be MYR 4,349.16

TA GTF loses to mother fund.

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What is the takeaway message here?

Forex is too unpredictable. Some daughter fund wins mother fund; other loses to mother fund.

The final say is that there is no room for generalization.

My personal take is, investing is already a risky business, hence do take in more unnecessary risky. For example, if you are not a resident of S'pore, it makes no sense to buy an asset that is denominated in SGD because you are introducing another element of risk aka unpredictability into the equation.

Xuzen

p/s Data are obtained form Xe.com website for forex data, FSM MY for both RHB AIF & TA GTF, FSM SG for SAIF and HGTF.
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Great comparison, numbers don't lie and that's why I like to lay everything down

Now... can we ask for another slowcook menu item? brows.gif

So with the above FX consideration; are the selection on FSM MY still trumps FSM SG?

I get what you mean by introducing another element of risk by investing abroad; but I guess the intention of most here is trying to mitigate some level of country risk or political risk. For myself, it was just an opportunity presenting itself at that point. I'm not actively doing it anymore, the amount I have in SGD is not substantial enough for me to sustain my living if Msia really "collapse" (whatever that's supposed to mean)
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post Mar 31 2017, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 31 2017, 02:35 PM)
This sister ar...  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif

You don't read izzit. I already state my conclusion, one cannot make sweeping generalization. There will be winners and losers. You want, you need to calculate each fund one by one. That is why to me, it is a waste of time, and I better stick to FSM MY for the time being.

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U not tempted with the 0% SC 0% platform fee meh laugh.gif

There are more choices in SG, be it platforms or funds; but sometimes too many choices make it confusing also la
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post Apr 18 2017, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(coolguy99 @ Apr 18 2017, 09:54 AM)
i am looking to trade unit trust in singapore. i am debating between FSM and POEMS, not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but which would you recommend?
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You want cheap - go POEMS

You want user friendly platform with loads of information - go FSM, the charges is higher though

You want zero effort, go for FSM MAPS
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post May 5 2017, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(Steven7 @ Apr 28 2017, 07:46 PM)
For FSM MAPS subscribers, the aforementioned portfolio rebalancing *could* be underway.

Your Portfolio Manager is conducting portfolio action on your FSM MAPS Balanced (Growth) portfolio. It will take approximately 7 working days from the day you receive this notice for the process to be completed.
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So weird, all the funds are green but the overall position showed a 0.46% loss. I supposed that's the rebalancing exercise

How's your portfolio doing?
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post May 15 2017, 06:14 PM

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Just realise on top of MAPS, they have another product with is advisor based
https://www.ifastgm.com.sg/igm/home/pricing-structure

It doesn't state how much is the setup fee though

Steven7, might be suitable for you. Personalised service by the SYTs tongue.gif
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post May 16 2017, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(Steven7 @ May 15 2017, 07:42 PM)
Lolwut? I am very content with MAPS already la, SYTs always welcomed tho  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif

BTW I think my port rebalancing has finished.

Oh one more thing! Just received an email from Smartly saying they are finally ready for launch, will start the member onboarding on June. Although personally I prefer StashAway just by looking at their tech (occupational hazard)
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To be honest I'm pleasantly suprised with MAPS returns so far. My ROI is about 5.8% with a portfolio <6 months old. I thought it won't be as good since they put in so many funds. Hopefully they keep up with the good returns drool.gif

Sometimes the tech is important, it shows the general attitude to quality or commitment to the users. Since you are the pro, I'll probably try with stashaway. Thing is both sites don't show their planned allocation, very hard to determine if it's something I'd want to go for
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Mar 28 2017, 08:22 PM)
I just sold the First State Dividend Advantage and plan to divest into other HY bond. tongue.gif
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How's the HY bond doing?

Just realise First State Div advantage suddenly came back alive and made 12.82% YTD while Fidelity America is slowing down; lost 2.73% YTD

That's why I'm resorting to MAPS, I don't do enough homework on FSM SG funds
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post May 17 2017, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 16 2017, 08:31 PM)
I am going to start soon. Going to follow sifu xuzen recommendation for US sector to use  global tech.
How do you use Morningstar SG to select funds?
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I mainly use FSM tools last time to select funds, but long time didn't buy already. Now just slowly sell the non-performing ones and move into MAPS and maybe later try out one of the robo advisory using ETFs
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post May 19 2017, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(Steven7 @ May 19 2017, 10:48 AM)
Hey dasecret, you have port in FSM SG too isn't it, bleeding too right?
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I actually had to check before I can answer this question, I don't log on to FSM SG regularly

Well, so far US ETF is slightly red and NM multi cap opp. The rest are still hanging on in green. I guess it's a good thing they completed the rebalancing. The US ETF allocation was 10% when I started, now it's about 7-8% only


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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 17 2017, 06:40 PM)
I am kind of apprehensive towards ETF investing because:
1) we are getting average results
2) ETF weightage is not diversified. Take STI. A big chunk of it of the component are banks. A ETF with equal weightage to all stocks give better results than regular ETF (according to a study done)
3) ETF investing decreases value
http://fifthperson.com/passive-index-inves...ation-of-value/
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Gotta say I was surprised this came from you since you are always focused on fees.

I too think ETF will snowball to a level that the returns would no longer be sustainable. In fact, the next great crash could be due to over expansion of ETFs. But that's just my own little theory, no evidence to back it up for now
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post Jun 6 2017, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(Steven7 @ Jun 6 2017, 04:20 PM)
Another round of portfolio rebalancing for FSM MAPS holder.
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Just got the email as well

Anyway, everything is looking good right now. Such frequent rebalancing, is it really a good thing?

By just judging from returns, MAPS is looking good. Not so sure about the managed portfolio in FSM MY though, the funds they picked are not my favorites. But I'll just let them do their job and observe for now. After all, the first rm10k don't have to pay management fee
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post Jun 6 2017, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(Steven7 @ Jun 6 2017, 05:19 PM)
Yeah, I thought FSM used to publish articles like this https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...lio-Returns-566 saying frequent rebalancing may not be the best solution but somehow its happening again, makes me wonder are they anticipating any massive market fluctuations.  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

All in all, yes I am also very satisfied with MAPS returns thus far, I know you subscribed to FSM MY "MAPS" but too bad I don't have 10K MYR to join the fun with you  biggrin.gif
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Since we paid for the rebalancing service, just let them do it as frequent as they deemed fit lor tongue.gif

I've been on hold with the live help for the past 15 minutes; I was asking about the rewards point for first time subscription of MAPS. In their website, they say one would earn 1,000 reward points for it. But so far I did not get the points. Maybe you should check too. But actually 1,000 rewards points is just worth SGD2, I'm just annoying like that I guess laugh.gif
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post Jun 6 2017, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(Steven7 @ Jun 6 2017, 06:07 PM)
That's weird. You subscribed for MAPS way earlier than me right, I already got my first-time MAPS investment reward as well as MAPS top-up rewards awhile back. Yeah the points can't really do much  sad.gif
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The tier reward or discount on FSM SG is really little compared to FSM MY. There's very little motivation to actually maintain a large account with them even if I have more SGD (but the truth is I don't have la)

They should work on the tier bonus to make it more attractive given the amount of competition in the SG market
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QUOTE(fense @ Jun 16 2017, 02:59 PM)
Wah, buy from FSM tranfer to DBS, saved 5%!
Clever.

I am thinking of selling of TN, very much fluctuating Funds...very headache saw the price changed.
sorry wrongly type:
Any comment on these this profolio (3 years)?
1. Threadneedle Lux - Developed Asia Growth and Income - 45%
2. First State Dividend Advantage 23%
3. First State Bridge  SGD 27%
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It's very asian centric, in FSM SG you have lots of choices with the developed markets funds and emerging market funds as compared to malaysia
You should consider getting exposure in those segment. And your portfolio is also very equity centric, perhaps to consider some global bond

If you also invest in Msian unit trust, try to use the singapore portfolio to supplement the Msia one. For example a lot of ppl wanted healthcare exposure, there's global healthcare funds in FSM SG
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post Jun 22 2017, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 22 2017, 05:40 PM)
Let's talk here. There offtopic. I haven't buy yet. Too high to buy in. On my watch list.
- Fidelity Global tech EUR (TT EUR from malaysia to Phillip to buy) of course
- First State regional india
- Schroder Asian Growth fund (if got Schroder Asian Total return in SGD will buy that instead but only got USD)
- Parvest Japan small cap USD*
- First State Global Infrastructure (this is to replace asia pacific reits and act as pseudo bond)*
- United Asian HY Bond fund can get 10% p.a (recommended by Hansel)*

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Still can get 10% p.a. going forward?
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/fsm/funds/...Y-Bond-Dist-SGD

the year to date performance kinda lacklustre ler
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post Jul 17 2017, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(Steven7 @ Jul 15 2017, 04:25 PM)
dasecret Both Smartly and Stashaway are open for business, you interested? biggrin.gif
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Thanks for the update. Will take a look at them

What about you? Are you trying them out?
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post Jul 18 2017, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(Steven7 @ Jul 18 2017, 01:18 PM)
Nah not really, at least not for now. Smartly tech in not convincing to me and StashAway bets too heavily on US/European market. Quick sharing, you can find a lot of insights on investing/finance in a thread called Official Shiny Things Club in HWZ forum. (It'll worth your time, trust me  biggrin.gif )
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Thanks! the thread seems so busy, will look at it during non-office hour tongue.gif

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