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post Dec 5 2016, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Dec 5 2016, 10:50 AM)
So you can TT the money to your SG SA, and from there you can buy and sell in FSM SG with money from your SG SA just like the current practice in FSM MY, and this applies to any SA in SG? smile.gif
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Correct

And one slight difference is you can elect for distribution to be banked in to your account instead of reinvesting to existing holding as well
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post Dec 5 2016, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Dec 5 2016, 11:41 AM)
I asked them, they say maybank still cannot sad.gif

Looks like need to find other banks that can allow to open SG SA without leaving KL
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 5 2016, 12:45 PM)
But can do normal transfer right and buy like money market fund righ?
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I've not tried it but you should be able to just transfer the amount from your bank account into theirs. Please try and feedback on this thread

https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/faq/faq.svdo?id=2409
FAQ 15
For Cash investments, you can do wire/Telegraphic Transfer as well. The bank account details for telegraphic transfer can be obtained after you have placed a buy order online.

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post Dec 8 2016, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(more2teayap @ Dec 8 2016, 09:42 AM)
FSM Singapore gets a interface revamp~
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Thanks for the heads up, they now offer stocks and ETFs too! Great stuffs
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post Dec 8 2016, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 8 2016, 10:33 AM)
I was thinking can we actually just bring hard cash to fsm office in Singapore and give it to them to purchase cash management fund since it is now impossible to create a bank account in Singapore. doubt that they can accept cash which is illegal?
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You can check with them but I seriously doubt they would take cold hard cash. Rule no 1 in money laundering rules is CASH is a big big red flag

You can TT direct into their account though, yes, the rates would be less than ideal so it depends on how desperate you want to get your money offshore
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post Dec 8 2016, 12:06 PM

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Took a look at the new offerings and decided to give this a go

https://secure.fundsupermart.com/fsm/#!.../PORTFOLIO00005

At least no need to headache and look at the many many funds and offerings on FSM SG. My portfolio size in SG cannot justify the amount of time needed to manage it
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post Dec 11 2016, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Dec 10 2016, 09:03 PM)
UNITED ASIAN BOND FUND CLASS SGD - is this fixed income fund still performing ? It used to be my favourite fund in Sg FSM apart from First State Dividend Fund.

the recommended FSM portfolio suggested Legg Mason WAM GMS.
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This is the fund feeding into FSM MY's RHB Asian Total Returns funds. look okok only. First State Div advantage also have not been great for the past 2 years. Somehow in FSM SG I cannot chase returns one, sure kantoi cry.gif
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post Dec 13 2016, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(deadravel @ Dec 13 2016, 04:38 PM)
u mean the MAPS thing?
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/fsm/#!...fo/introduction

i just stumble upon this today as well. quite interesting and hassle free i would say.
but does the fee justifiable?
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/fsm/#!...icing-structure
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Yup, they have a few portfolio and I opted for the balanced one.

For me main reason i went for it is because the SGD I have is not that much, so it does not justify the amount of time needed for me to monitor and try to time the market etc. So would try this out instead.

On fees, it's just slightly higher than the platform fees they charge, especially if you go for aggressive portfolio, because platform fees already 0.4%; management fees for MAPS only 0.5%

But of course everyone has different point of view. I hold the lazy ppl view tongue.gif
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post Dec 19 2016, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Dec 14 2016, 08:14 PM)
I got to wait till early Jan to collect the divvy for First State Dividend Adv. then will sell this fund and put in this new product. see how it goes from there. tongue.gif auto pilot portfolio.

boss, do you invest in Sg reits too ?
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No wor, I don't have a CDP account and clueless with stocks. Which broker did you go with?

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 19 2016, 09:11 AM)
For me the reason to go for Singapore funds are
i) You're only paying 0.75% SC compare to 2% SC if you use Philips POEMS. Heck you can even buy at 0% SC (FSMOne) but that will require ninja trick for Singapore platform (different from Malaysia ninja trick).
That 1.25% adds up overtime
ii) There are funds over in Singapore which outperform the Malaysian funds (REITS, Asia Pacific, US sectors, technology sectors) 3 years in a row
iii) Wider selection of funds (US REITS, AP REITS, global infrastructure, healthcare, Japan smallcaps, etc) 
iv) Funds which depends on Fx differences are basically like holding on paper money. I prefer funds which can increase based on it's own strength + FX exchange.
v) Another one is say the price. Let's say MYR depreciate further by another 20% vs 5% by SGD, one can get the the fund at "cheaper price" by getting the Singapore fund as for Malaysian fund, one will have to pay the 20% increase in the price of the NAV versus only 5% increase in the NAV. (Not sure if I am clear or not).
vi) See what happen to Argentina/Venezuela. They impose people from bringing out their currency to protect their own currency.

These are just my personal opinion.

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Seriously, if cost is such a main consideration, you should not consider unit trust at all, all the funds slap you with 1.5% management fees and some other expenses although you don't see it like sales charge and platform fees
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post Dec 19 2016, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 19 2016, 01:56 PM)
Sorry if you say cost is not important, why bother buying from FSM Malaysia? Better buy from agent and kena charge 5.5% right? Cutting down cost = more saving. 1.5% is in the NAV already. That one cannot save. But save where you can. i.e: Service charge. If I want to save, I will go for ETF (that's my long term plan), Right now, no account cannot do anything. Waiting for account to be approve.

Why bother paying 0.4%/pa (FSMOne) when Philips giving only 0.75% one time charge? What's 3% saving? I already calculated. For every SGD1k you park inside FSM/Philips per year for 10 years, FSM earns about SGD2200 while Philips only earned SGD750.

If you add another zero to 1k to make it SGD10k/year, FSM will earn SGD22000 and Philips only earn SGD7500 from you. SGD22000 might not be alot for you. But that's alot for me.

Further proof
user posted image

By choosing Philips, one save 65.91% over 10 years which if annualized is 6.591% pa. FSM platform fees of SGD2200/SGD10k is 22% of your money. Almost 25% blink.gif  shocking.gif

Now tell me again cost is not important.
Cost is an important part. Never underestimate cost as it add up overtime. Eg is shown above.
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I'm not saying cost is not important to me; but there are many other things that is more important to me than costs

I buy from FSM Msia because their advisory is more superior than most agents I meet; and timely and ease of execution of transactions is more important to me than costs.

Anyway, the comment I posted is not for myself because I know exactly what I wanted. I would be paying even more than 0.4% to get it, but I'm ok with that.

I just wanted to remind you that I didn't think you are taking the most cost advantageous option available if cost is the most important consideration for you. 1.5% of the cost in 10 years is 15% to your total capital; and that's just management fee

You should just go straight to ETFs or direct equities la; cheaper ma; and for those, I'm quite sure FSM won't be the cheapest as well

p/s: Despite my tone, my posts are never meant to be sarcastic. It is backed by facts and tailored to your priorities
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post Jan 4 2017, 05:18 PM

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Thought I'd update here on MAPS. So I placed the minimum order of SGD5k last month. To my surprise, they actually place it into 20 funds where allocation vary from SGD100 (2%) to SGD (10%). Macam a bit over

Anyway, just let them do it lor. Current value SGD5,024.31
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post Jan 18 2017, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 17 2017, 06:19 PM)
AIYH, what's your option between

CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund Class SGD
First State Dividend Advantage
First State Asia Opportunities Class A ACC

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I can't find 5 years info for Ponzi 2 - SGD so I use Ponzi 2 -MYR.

Orange = First State Global Umbrella PLC - Asian Equity Plus Fund = First State Dividend Advantage
Red = First State Global Umbrella PLC - First State Asia Opportunities Fund = First State Asia Opportunities Fund
Blue = CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund Class MYR
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Good work

Just beware that ponzi 2's exceptional results is partly due to MYR depreciation. So if you factor that in it's probably just similar or worse off than the first state funds. FS Div Adv has not done well since I bought into it. It's the most popular fund on FSM SG. Not familiar with FS Asia opp
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post Jan 18 2017, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 18 2017, 02:11 PM)
Actually if you look at 1 year result from Ponzi 2 - SG, it beats them. But 1 year too short.

I am spoilt for choice to choose between the 3 funds or just go for United Asian HY Dist Bond Fund.
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Asia HY bond fund is a totally different animal wor. Anyway, FSM's view is fairly negative on asian high yield due to expectation on fed rate increase. At least have 1 EQ and 1 FI to balance it a bit la

But I won't try to be hero when it comes to FSM SG. My IRR to-date is <3%, but 2 funds pending distribution la. In anycase IRR won't be >5%. So I'm not the right person to advise what to buy
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post Jan 18 2017, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 18 2017, 02:33 PM)
I know different animal. I am looking for a Asia Pacific portfolio. Can be equities, can be HY bond. Doesn't matter to me. REITS different part. I am looking for at least 9-10% pa returns or higher laugh.gif
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Something for you to think about

If you plan to go for SG REITs, then it makes more sense to combine it with EQ funds instead of FI funds. Why? REITs and FI are both negatively affected by increasing interest rate

Let me know when and how you achieve 9-10% pa returns; I want to follow suit icon_rolleyes.gif
If you take into consideration SGD strengthening against MYR I think easy la; but excluding that I really want to learn. SG is a low interest environment with stable currency. I didn't think the spectacular performance from SG REITs would be repeated for longer term basis. The only fund with close to 10% IRR that I have is Fidelity American due to S&P 500 good performance
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 18 2017, 11:27 PM)
Ya both move with interest. However it doesn't matter for me as long as it can achieve my goals. If EQ can reach, then EQ is it. If HY bond can reach, so be it.

Will do. But how to let you know if one needs to hold min 3 years?  hmm.gif
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Correlation is the key word here

No need, after 1 year you report la what is the returns, then can roughly tell how easy/hard to reach your target of 8-10%
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QUOTE(Steven7 @ Feb 20 2017, 07:50 PM)
Hi guys, reporting in as new investor as educated by @Ramjade. Any "starter kit" for SG funds? BTW Ramjade, since you mentioned in SG POEMS is better than FSM why didn't the members here create a POEMS SG thread instead, just curious.
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Welcome to the semi hibernating club
I must admit I've not been a very good TS

If you read a few pages back, I talked about MAPS offered by FSM SG which is a quasi-roboadvisor product. I went for that for its simplicity and no research needed. But of course, not everyone like the idea of 0.5% fees per annum. But since I started on FSM SG, I've not done very well managing the portfolio myself. Like you say, there's less peer support here compared to FSM MY. And I also spend relatively less time studying the super extensive list of funds available on FSM SG.

First state div advantage is the most popular fund on FSM Sg but it didn't do very well since I bought it, I think at last count my IRR is still <5%. My best performing fund is Fidelity US fund.

Anyway, my FSM SG investment is smaller than FSM My portfolio and unlikely to grow much. So the time taken to monitor really does not commensurate the effort needed. Hence I went for MAPS and so far it's doing well.

In your case, it's up to you to decide which is the way to go. I'll list down the pros n cons of MAPS

Pro
- no brainer, auto pilot
- might save you some tuition fees when starting out

Con
- minimum lump sum sgd5k which can be a bit high for some
- comes with a fee of 0.5% per annum. But I'm fussy that even free also I won't go for POEMS. So 0.4% vs 0.5% is really immaterial for the convenience
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 20 2017, 10:11 PM)
Care to share how this MAPS do? Can you see what fund they use for you?

Aha I expect that from you  tongue.gif I aren't paying them anything if I can help it.
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I know, not a very good accountant. Free still want to nitpick and rather pay

Basically you just need to determine your risk profile using a questionnaire and pay the lump sum or RSP amount and they will determine a portfolio within your risk profile, do all the buying for you and periodically switch for you. You get to see the amount invested in each fund or ETF and its current market value. They will also produce a fact sheet periodically for you. Not sure how frequent but I don't think it's monthly.

They allocated my investment into 20 funds which I thought is a bit overkill. But it's something I won't be able to do on my own with just sgd5k. Most funds have higher minimum initial investment than what was in my MAPS. So I supposed that can be another pro

This kind of method won't give u the highest returns. But hopefully won't be the lowest as well
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 9 2017, 09:55 PM)
Why do you need united HY in FSM? Is it because the min topup is SGD100 vs POEMS at SGD500?

Btw, dasecret, POEMS have it's answer to FSM MAPS too  tongue.gif but I still don't like their interface sweat.gif
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Took a quick look at the asset allocation strategy for aggressive growth - 30% in Singapore local sovereign bonds for FI exposure; totally no corporate; high yield; asian and global bond allocation; I don't really like lor
The remaining EQ exposure is 20% US; 20% europe; 20% emerging market; 10% commodity

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 9 2017, 10:36 PM)
Don't FSM kena charge extra for platform fees some more?  hmm.gif Making it close to ~1% for MAPS?
Don't know. From what I understant, all switching will kena charge.
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FSM MAPS charges is 0.5% per annum net. No more plateform fees; that's why I say only 0.1% incremental and feel it's more worthwhile than doing it on my own
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post Mar 10 2017, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(Steven7 @ Mar 10 2017, 12:56 PM)
Dumped ~20K into MAPS Balanced for about few weeks now and so far I've been taking a hit of -0.15% due to Fidelity EmEur MidEast and Africa A USD is really doing quite bad. Rest of the funds are either increasing in value or remained almost the same but this one really dropped a lot (granted its Risk 9)
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Wah, you so gung-ho, SGD20k lumpsum. Anyway it's early days, give it a bit of time to grow
Next time; consider doing RSP instead; Maybe for 20k you can do SGD5k every month for 4 months; if helps even out the investment cost. ROI on my MAPS is 3% at the moment. Couldn't figure out a way to do IRR yet since it's a basket of fund instead of just purchase of 1 fund everytime I RSP

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 10 2017, 01:12 PM)
What is MAPS doing with MidEast and Africa confused.gif  doh.gif
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MAPS is "VERY" diversified; it buys into 20 funds for you in 1 portfolio
We will see whether it plays out well or not la
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 10 2017, 01:40 PM)
Well one thing xuzen taught me, never play pokemon  tongue.gif
I think I trust Smartly better.
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But Smartly haven't launch; probably still waiting for approval from MAS. I would consider moving some of my FSM SG funds over to Smartly when it eventually launch because it buys ETFs instead of funds; so the absolute fees will be lower
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QUOTE(Steven7 @ Mar 10 2017, 01:56 PM)
Well in fact I will still be doing RSP.....might as well just dump ~20k in first. What is this Smartly tho? Why is it getting so much attention even though it didn't launch yet.
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The first robo advisory in this region
https://www.smartly.sg/

Only know about them because the founder went on BFM

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