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Ramjade
post Mar 8 2017, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Mar 8 2017, 09:44 PM)
Noted. Thanks.

How would u knw that they invest in Schroder Asian Income ? Which fund factsheet ru refering ?
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https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...e-Fund-MYOSKAIF
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...eetMYOSKAIF.pdf
The Fund aims to provide income(in unit form) and capital growth over the medium to long term(3-10 years) by investing in one target fund, i.e. the Schroder Asian Income.

To cut your cost even further (platform fees), just buy using POEMS as there's no service charge, no platform fees.

That's what I am doing. Getting all the list of funds ready (that I want to buy) then port my FSM MY over to POEMS.

Another fund you might want to look at is First state global infrastructure. Majority is in the US. Highly resistant to interest rates hike and is like a REIT. Got this idea courtesy of xuzen

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post Mar 9 2017, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Mar 9 2017, 08:37 PM)
seems like fsm now offers FAST transfer from bank account dy

more over, given that fidelity global tech performs better than fidelity america and judging that tech will continue to boom in the future, not to mention that only fsm allows sgd 100 top up (vs poems and DD top up at eur 500 and sgd 500 respectively)

guess i will choose fsm instead of poems, need to play platform fee, but at least it suits the convenience of monthly small top up

is global tech a better choice vs diversified america? any idea about this? (I can only afford to choose one fund as I plan to do monthly topup and can't afford to top up both fund at the same time, unless my salary package increase tongue.gif)
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Will park in both. Cannot resist a fund which can beat the S&P500 drool.gif
Like our manulife here vs the Ta global tech. Ta global tech beat it. But because Manulife sucks, so my US allocation is in TA Global Tech. dry.gif

The question is if you are going with full Fidelity global tech, how many % you want in your portfolio? tongue.gif

DD RSP only SGD100

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post Mar 9 2017, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Mar 9 2017, 09:10 PM)
actually in this case both as beat S&P 500 (although both fund lose to sp500 in terms of 3 years RRR), but still, the return in global tech far exceed its volatility compared to america drool.gif

i use this fund as my us proxy allocation, even so, does purely in tech justify sacrificing the diversified sector in fidelity america? struggling a bit in this sad.gif

Last time i consolidate my aladdin, titan, ta europe and ta global all into ta global, now it become 28% of my portfolio tongue.gif

after top up this month, once my cimb fast saver ready to log in, then i will transfer them to SG (either global tech or america)

DD do offer RSP, but unlike FSM, both poems and DD must use GIRO to RSP, and not sure about DD since they didnt provide much info but poems, you can only GIRO with DBS or POSB and need physical form and approval time about 1 month (similar to Direct Debit Authorization in Malaysia), very troublesome for me as I only have maybank and cimb

Even though poems' fidet america offer low top up, since global tech outperform america, if i opt for global tech, then become top up eur 500 sad.gif
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Actually POEMS uses EPS not GIRO.

I also don't know lei. If choose Global tech, my America allocation will become 20% + 10% (global infrastructure). If I choose Fidelity amrica + global tech it will be 10% + 10% + 10%
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post Mar 9 2017, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Mar 9 2017, 09:22 PM)
Poems offered both GIRO and EPS

but still doesnt change the fact that poems only allow minimum top up of eur 500 (not sgd 500) for fidelity global tech, expensive to do top up sad.gif
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You can do Fidelity Global Tech via FSM then rest of the funds using POEMS. That way you only pay platform fees for 1 fund lo instead of many funds.
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post Mar 9 2017, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Mar 9 2017, 09:45 PM)
Tentatively, I will put both united hy and fidelity global to fsm, so that every month, i can switch sell from united hy to fidelity global (poems have switching fee of 0.5%)

If I have large enough paycheck to overcome poems minimum top up, then only i switch these

I only have these 2 funds in sg, other than that still in msia unless my paycheck increase tongue.gif
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Why do you need united HY in FSM? Is it because the min topup is SGD100 vs POEMS at SGD500?

Btw, dasecret, POEMS have it's answer to FSM MAPS too tongue.gif but I still don't like their interface sweat.gif

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post Mar 9 2017, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Mar 9 2017, 10:14 PM)
That will not be much of a concern as i treat united hy as my fd, will normally be in bulk, if got lower of course is a plus but not a major concern

To prevent exchange fluctuation, I will put some money in there for my monthly ammo for fidelity ammo instead of every month TT MYR to SGD (who knows what will happen later when MYR continue depreciate) while maximizing that idle fund

What makes me choose fsm over poems for this is that in poems, if you switch to another fund, you will be charge 0.5% for every switch, while fsm dont charge this

Although minor, agree with you that fsm interface is much more smooth compared to poems sweat.gif laugh.gif

btw, whats poems equivalent to fsm maps? cant find in their website
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But for my MY counterpart United Asian HY Bond Fund, it looks like stuck at 1.95 sweat.gif doh.gif Previously it was at 2.35% sad.gif
Btw, POEMS big orange banner put switching is free. But on their fund page, they put switching fees. Don't know who to trust. Guess I will email customer service again. doh.gif

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post Mar 9 2017, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Mar 9 2017, 10:31 PM)
You mean your return fluctuates around 1.95%? chill la, this is still a bond fund, not stock trading where it can go up few % within a day laugh.gif
How does 0.5% switching charge works?
Below is a table that illustrates the type of switches you can perform and its charges.

Switching Category                                                      Switching Charge

Same Fund House/ Same Group                                  0.50%

Different Fund House /Different Group                          0.50%

Switch out from Money Market Fund                            Prevailing Sales Charge of Switch in fund
With the management fee, seems like smart and maps will be exactly the same dy laugh.gif it comes down to personal preference dy laugh.gif
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Don't FSM kena charge extra for platform fees some more? hmm.gif Making it close to ~1% for MAPS?
Don't know. From what I understant, all switching will kena charge.

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post Mar 9 2017, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Mar 9 2017, 10:50 PM)
This one u need to ask dasecret since she used the service, from what i understand it dont, so it will be the same for both platforms

You mean poems?
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Ya. Need to email them to clarify.
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post Mar 10 2017, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(Steven7 @ Mar 10 2017, 12:56 PM)
Dumped ~20K into MAPS Balanced for about few weeks now and so far I've been taking a hit of -0.15% due to Fidelity EmEur MidEast and Africa A USD is really doing quite bad. Rest of the funds are either increasing in value or remained almost the same but this one really dropped a lot (granted its Risk 9)
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What is MAPS doing with MidEast and Africa confused.gif doh.gif
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post Mar 10 2017, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 10 2017, 01:35 PM)
Wah, you so gung-ho, SGD20k lumpsum. Anyway it's early days, give it a bit of time to grow
Next time; consider doing RSP instead; Maybe for 20k you can do SGD5k every month for 4 months; if helps even out the investment cost. ROI on my MAPS is 3% at the moment. Couldn't figure out a way to do IRR yet since it's a basket of fund instead of just purchase of 1 fund everytime I RSP
MAPS is "VERY" diversified; it buys into 20 funds for you in 1 portfolio
We will see whether it plays out well or not la

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Well one thing xuzen taught me, never play pokemon tongue.gif
I think I trust Smartly better.

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post Mar 10 2017, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 10 2017, 01:44 PM)
But Smartly haven't launch; probably still waiting for approval from MAS. I would consider moving some of my FSM SG funds over to Smartly when it eventually launch because it buys ETFs instead of funds; so the absolute fees will be lower
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I thought you mentioned MAPS bought funds, stocks ETFs?
(i) But say a fund managed to beat the index, and as we know all the management fees is already included in the NAV, shouldn't the fund be a better choice since a ETF is suppose to replicate the index movement ? Beating index = beating the ETF even with all fees accounted. No? hmm.gif confused.gif

(ii) say it buy a US ETF, should you be charged 30% withholding tax by US govt for the ETF?

QUOTE(Steven7 @ Mar 10 2017, 01:56 PM)
Well in fact I will still be doing RSP.....might as well just dump ~20k in first. What is this Smartly tho? Why is it getting so much attention even though it didn't launch yet.
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Well it's like MAPS except it's developed by white people. I have more faith with white people flex.gif

QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 10 2017, 01:58 PM)
The first robo advisory in this region
https://www.smartly.sg/

Only know about them because the founder went on BFM
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Found it out through EDGE MY. Saw that they want to enter MY too with UT. Things will heat up for FSM MY thumbup.gif

AIYH, I contacted Phillip. It would seems they forget to update their website regarding the zero switching fees. doh.gif sweat.gif And yes, Even though the fund is in EUR, you can pay using SGD.

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 10 2017, 04:05 PM)
Out of the 20 funds; only 1 is ETF; 10% allocation. So still mainly UT for MAPS

Well, I don't think you can get funds that beat the index for all markets. And with pokemon style investing that MAPS employs, I think chances are a reasonably good robo advisor would beat MAPS; but that's my gut feel only la, at the moment MAPS beat my own FSM SG UT portfolio; so I stick to MAPS lor
Why u so blindly believe in mat salleh one... it's because of asians like you that they feel superior living in Asia
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Have to look deep and hard. laugh.gif

Because from what I have seen and experience, mat salleh are usually the first to create/pioneer and redefine it. Then asians just copy it. However their copying not good enough yet. Good example, xioami, huawei, oppo, grab, samsung (when it first started).

Of course there are exceptions. I respect the Japanese, Koreans as I believed they are on par/better than mat sallehs. Eg Panasoonic (the only electronic brand I buy and they last for years, Qihoo360, eneloop batteries)
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post Mar 13 2017, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(Steven7 @ Mar 13 2017, 10:23 AM)
Yeah I know its not likely as its too good to be true. sad.gif  Well yeah I don't want the hassle of trying to selling them off, then didn't get the "glitched" amount, then I have to purchase them all over again. Well I will just leave it probably.

BTW where do I see my dividends payout, if any?
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Dividends in UT are not important. Eg. They give you 10% dividends, the price drop by 10%
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 13 2017, 10:31 AM)
Not all funds, bro,... I have funds which give out divvies every mth, and the price still rises according to fundamentals,... eg oil price,...
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dasecret, AIYH what do you think of the above?

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 17 2017, 05:00 PM)
Hmm, interesting, everyone loves ETF and FSM SG decided against it
But I don't mind geh. Beats doing it myself anyway
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If a fund can beat ETF consistently, I will say it's a keeper. I am willing to pay the fund manager for that service.
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 17 2017, 06:36 PM)
Bro/Sis,... appreciated yr comments,....

1) The HY funds are said to have properties closer to equities than to bonds. With a growing economy in the US, if equities do well,...theoretically, the HY funds will do well too.

2) I have reinvested the dividends I've collected over the years INTO other asset classes besides these HY funds themselves. It's not easy to calculate the returns from there, but I hold on to the concept that the faster I get my money in my hands, the faster I can reinvest them into other instruments to generate more returns.

3) The table that you showed are in SGD terms, meaning the returns have been converted into the SGD and then calculated in SGD, hence,... exchange rate effect is there. In their absolute currency terms, my returns are higher.

4) Your performance table was pulled from either Fundsupermart SG or POEMS, and the returns are in SGD terms because their investors normally convert the dividends received into the SGD. I don't, I collect my returns in the foreign currencies that such dividends were generated in,... and,... when the exchange rate is favourable, I may convert over. Otherwise, I my use the same currency cash in hand to invest into instruments of similar currencies.

Egs,... I will use the USD divvies I earned to invest into Manulife US REIT. I may use the AUD divvies I earned to invest into the ASX !

I guessed I don't have specific numerics to illustrate my returns,... but I noticed I keep getting more and more foreign currencies dropping into my different wallets.

What is the average return of a good US Equity fund ?
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Check out Fidelity America/Fidelity Global Tech (this one is in Eur but 70-80% coverage of the US so it's basically a US fund).

For fidelity America, you can choose to pay in SGD or USD (there are 2 funds with different currency). For me I will choose SGD as there's no way to do online transfer from a USD/MCA account into FSM/Phillip. Heck even SG banks does not allow one to transfer USD/HKD/AUD between banks via online which I thought they can. Kind of a let down considering SG is suppose to be "advanced". They only let you transfer SGD doh.gif
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 17 2017, 07:02 PM)
Bro,... you still have much to experiment and to discover in terms of moving funds ard the banks in SG without being onsite physically,...  guessed this is one skill that an offsite investor must learn to pickup if he wants to invest in SG. Otherwise, it will be totally impossible and too costly to invest there !
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Can you share? I have tried emailing the banks, they all told me your only option is TT from SGD into USD account even though both banks are in SG. doh.gif

QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 17 2017, 07:10 PM)
You don't have to buy using USD. You can send SGD into FSM SG and they convert into USD to buy into this fund for you. But rate good or not I didn't compare lor. That's how I bought the Fidelity America USD fund. Haven't sell it so not sure if I can keep the USD in cash account or must convert to SGD. I suspect it's the former as there is USD denominated cash account
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That I know. I asked Phillip. Told me you can pay in SGD. AIYH and I was having a talk about which platform to use to buy Fidelity Global Tech. FSM SG let you buy small amout while Phillip keras want you to topup min EUR500 worth

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 17 2017, 09:56 PM)
Bro,.. let me ask you this first,... you wish to buy in USD or in the SGD ? Do you have the USD in hand now ?

Hmm,... after reading dasecret's reply to me,... I'm kind of discouraged to help here,... since he/she is helping here with his/her great quantified ways,.... biggrin.gif
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I want to buy USD/HKD/AUD. But I cannot figure out how to move the foreign funds around. Dbs v and maybank ke customer service is of no help. I have USD1000 in cash.
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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Mar 20 2017, 05:36 PM)
Just wondering - anyone here have FSM investment accounts across countries? i.e. One in Malaysia and one in Hong Kong.

I'm tempted to apply HK FSM since it seems to offer wider ranges of portfolios and doesn't seem to have ridiculous restrictions for foreigners.
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You can try asking AIYH how to go about it. He was planning to get it. Alternatively, you can do like me and AIYH. I have a Phillip SG account which is a competitor to FSM SG. The SG counterparts do have better funds than MY (FSM). I think is on par with HK.

FSM SG charges 0.1% per quarter platform fees for all their funds shakehead.gif
Phillip SG does not have service charge or platform fees. rclxms.gif thumbup.gif

What I do:
- Use info from FSM SG and buy from Phillip SG

What AIYH do:
- Use FSM SG for certain funds and the rest use Phillip SG.


Hope that helps.

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 20 2017, 06:33 PM)
We went to Singapore. It's up to you if you prefer FSM HK. Need to find out if it's easy to open a bank account in HK. The good thing with singapore is proximity and SGD strength. If I'm not mistaken, HKD did depreciated over the past 10 years or so that now HKD is weaker than RMB
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Opening FSM account in HK yes. Opening a HK bank account almost impossible (from what I read online. For US citizen almost no chance because of FACTA, for EU passport no problem, for 3rd world passport 50:50 chance)

I think Malaysia passport is categorized as 3rd world? hmm.gif sad.gif Some more we have xdb issue which is like an auto red flag:x

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