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Ramjade
post Mar 20 2017, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Mar 20 2017, 08:40 PM)
Thanks for the inputs! Looks like I'll be proceeding with FSM HK. I'm in a lucky situation where I have employment (STA) here so I do have valid HK account and IC so guess that'll help.
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Nice. You might want to look at 8 securities too if you are interested in buying some stocks.

Care to ask your HK bank whether they let a malaysian tourist to open account for investment purpose?
Ramjade
post Mar 20 2017, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Mar 20 2017, 08:50 PM)
From their FAQ:

Can I open an account from overseas?
Last updated 9 months ago

Yes. We have customers from around the world. After you complete your application with the supporting documents please make sure it is signed and witnessed. Qualified witnesses include a bank branch manager, lawyer, public accountant, justice of the peace or a notary public. You can fund your account by international transfer. We do not accept applications from US persons as defined by the United States Internal Revenue Service. For more information, please visit www.irs.gov
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Interested in opening HK bank account. Not FSM HK la. sweat.gif
Good to have bank account in financial hubs of the world.
Ramjade
post Mar 20 2017, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Mar 20 2017, 08:48 PM)
Both poems and fsm don't allow me to start RSP without initial investment

Both poems and fsm RSP can only do via bank acc DDA and their government retirement fund scheme (not like FSM MY where you can RSP via CMF)

I have the initial capital from FSM MY US part which is enough for either platform initial investment.

However, I can only choose FSM over its top up value of SGD 100 vs poems EUR 500 sad.gif

Stuck with platform fee, but oh well sweat.gif
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Have you check out dollardex? Maybe they let you topup SGD100. No platform fees, no service charge also.

QUOTE(AIYH @ Mar 20 2017, 08:53 PM)
I mean the faq is from 8 securities sweat.gif
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Opening 8 securities is no problem. Is whether one can open a HK bank account is another question.
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post Mar 24 2017, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Mar 23 2017, 09:26 PM)
Only MAPS can RSP via cash account, normal UT still require DDA sad.gif

Somehow feel like MY platform is more flexible compared to SG laugh.gif
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Why not RSP manually? Manually buy instead of relying on RSP? hmm.gif
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post Mar 24 2017, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Mar 24 2017, 01:02 AM)
FSM My, u can start ur investment by RSP into a fund with Just RSP amount, so like u can start investing in ponzi 1 via RSP with just 100 instead of 1000

Fsm my has the convenient to RSP from CMF

But, for FSM SG, poems and DD, all required u to go for DDA/Giro, which is hard and tedious to initiate and change

Rsp from cash account in FSM SG is only available for maps, for other UT, if donr go for DDA RSP, u will need to shell out SGD 1000 initial investment for each fund sweat.gif

That's why I am only able to afford to transfer global tech laugh.gif
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I think it's alright to shell out SGD1000 for each fund (keep no of fund small or else no money laugh.gif ). Then after that every month buy the min amount = manual RSP? hmm.gif

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post Mar 24 2017, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 24 2017, 08:51 AM)
I feel the same way actually. That's why I'm a lot less active in FSM SG... it's expensive ler. And the exchange rate to SGD  sweat.gif
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I thought you are earning SGD?
Ramjade
post Mar 24 2017, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 24 2017, 08:54 AM)
U mistaken me with someone else. I wish I'm earning SGD

Anyway, I haven't been actively changing SGD in the past 2 years. The money I have in SGD was from redeeming ASx funds. My last large batch of exchange was done at 2.84  brows.gif
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Well what to do. As elea88 said. Earning RM and investing in SGD doh.gif
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post Mar 29 2017, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Mar 29 2017, 05:45 PM)
That High Yield Bond Fund which I invested in has become a very low yield bond fund. So I have decided to switch out of it.  vmad.gif
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Which fund was that? You have FSM SG account?
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post Mar 29 2017, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Mar 29 2017, 05:54 PM)
I invested in the FSM MY United Asia HY Bond Fund. It is not moving up and in fact, it is going negative ! LOL.
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For me it's still positive. Not as bad as amasia dry.gif . Amasia hardly move and was close to (-) but this fund have always been (+) to me. But not even one year yet, why fret.
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post Mar 29 2017, 06:42 PM

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puchongite actually if you see the results here, uob HY is a better fund
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/fsm/chart-centre-fund/

Compare United Emerging Markets Bond Fund vs United Asian HY Bond Dist SGD


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post Mar 29 2017, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 29 2017, 07:22 PM)
Which fund was it, bro ?
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The only one on FSM MY
United Asian HY Bond Fund
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post Mar 30 2017, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 30 2017, 09:55 AM)
The mother fund also bleeding for 3 months. Actually since about 6 months ago FSM has discouraged buying into Corp
Oh, they also discourage buying into Reits since last month or so
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I have manulife AP reits and it was performing better than amasia dry.gif
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post Mar 30 2017, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 30 2017, 02:49 PM)
What is Manulife AP REITs, bro ?
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Is a Unit trust.
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...IT-Fund-MYML007
Compare it with this
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...-B-MYR--MYAMAPR

Sorry not a stock laugh.gif
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post Mar 30 2017, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 30 2017, 03:06 PM)
LOL!!!  rclxs0.gif
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Walao. ohmy.gif Lai lai port over la tongue.gif
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post Mar 30 2017, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 30 2017, 03:29 PM)
What would do if I tell you the UTFs at FSM SG is not as good as FSM MY?

"Wears a flame retardant suits and runs away!"

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I tell you the following:
- Platform fees of only 0.4% vs 1% for your wrap account.
- Funds which perform better than Malaysian counter parts biggrin.gif
- Buy directly the mother fund. No more RHB AIF/TA Global tech. Buy Schroder Asian IF/Henderson Global Tech
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post Mar 30 2017, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 30 2017, 03:36 PM)
Then I'll ask 1 question

Have you removed the forex gains from MY funds?

Or, add forex gains to the USD or SGD denominated funds in FSM SG

It's not so easy to compare due to forex factor
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Er talking to me or xuzen?
If me, when you are in SG, look at SGD. Don't look at RM. Later if you need the money, then only look at how much you make with the depreciation of RM.

Same thing apply for USD, etc.

Btw to answer your question that day
Yeah. Can work part time not in any special field but part time in say McD/KFC/etc. But I am choosing not to as once I start working, it will be hell busy. No time for all this FSM/LYN. So better for me to read up and start my investment now.


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post Mar 30 2017, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 30 2017, 04:01 PM)
Yes,... bro Ram has a strong point there.

I've opened an acct in FSM SG LONG BEFORE they set up shop in Msia. My experience has been with the SGD all along.

One thing I noticed is with the SGD being strong always, whatever dividend that I earn, when converted into the SGD is always 'lesser relatively',... I noticed during times when the SGD is weaker, then only will I get more SGD divvy.

Hence, I supposed if we invest using the RMin FSM MY, we will GET MORE RMs when the RM depreciates.

Wait a minute,.. does the base currency get converted directly into the RM, OR does it gt converted into the SGD first, then only into the RM< since FSM is SG-based ?
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If you are buying from MY, you use RM. Yes. You get more RM when RM depreciate (if you invest in overseas fund) as dasecret said RHB Asian Total Return fund is based on USD as what dasecret said
If you buy from SG, you use SGD.
If you are buying from, AU see AUD.

That's how I prevent myself from getting mix up.

Look at the bid to bid retruns.
RHB Asian Total Return vs United Asian Bond Fund

If you notice, the returns are not the same even though they are the essentially the same fund. RHB feeds into United.
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post Mar 31 2017, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 31 2017, 11:51 AM)
To make a long story short, if you buy in SG with an SG Account, you are earning the SGD. If you buy in AU, with an acct in AU, you are earning the AUD. Hence, things depend on which currency you wish TO EARN.

More or less amt from the proceeds should not matter,... After all, we will still need to convert to any currency that we wish to use later on. It may not necessarily be the MYR that we will convert into.

What if you need to use AUD later ?
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Then we use SGD to convert and transfer using Transferwise. (Note to self: open account with them).
With SGD, there's a chance that we can gain against AUD/USD/whatever currency you will need.

I cannot say the same for RM dry.gif sad.gif
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post Mar 31 2017, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 31 2017, 12:44 PM)
Good day to you good sister,

I will attempt to answer you question objectively. I shall use two example for argument sake that is TA GTF and RHB AIF. From friend Ramjade's words, TA GTF is the daughter of Henderson Global Tech fund denominated in SGD, whereas RHB AIF is the daughter fund of Schroder Asia Income fund also denominated in SGD.

Lets take RHB AIF.

Three years ago on 31/3/2014: SGD 1,000.00 = MYR 2,595.23

Today rate as of 31/3/2017: SGD 1,000.00 = MYR 3,167.04

RHB AIF 3 years annulized return is 12.66% p.a.

Schroder AIF 3 years annulized return is 5.00% p.a.

Lets say you participate SGD 1,000.00 into SAIF 3 years ago, today value shall be SGD 1,157.63, convert it to MYR as of today rate = SGD 1,157.63 x 3.16704 = MYR 3,666.24

Lets say you participate MYR 2,595.23 into RHB AIF 3 years ago, today value shall be MYR 3,710.95

RHB AIF wins motherfund.

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Lets take TA GTF

Three years ago on 31/3/2014: SGD 1,000.00 = MYR 2,595.23

Today rate as of 31/3/2017: SGD 1,000.00 = MYR 3,167.04

TA GTF 3 years annualized return is 18.78% p.a.

Henderson GTF 3 years annualized return is 13.28% p.a.

Lets say you participate SGD 1,000.00 into  HGTF 3 years ago, today value shall be SGD 1,453.65, convert it to MYR as of today rate = SGD 1,453.65 x 3.16704 = MYR 4,603.77

Lets say you participate MYR 2,595.23 into TA GTF 3 years ago, today value shall be MYR 4,349.16

TA GTF loses to mother fund.

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What is the takeaway message here?

Forex is too unpredictable. Some daughter fund wins mother fund, other loses to mother fund.

The final say is that there is no room for generalization.

My personal take is, investing is already a risky business, hence do take in more unnecessary risky. For example, if you are not a resident of S'pore, it makes no sense to buy an asset that is denominated in SGD because you are introducing another element of risk aka unpredictability into the equation.

Xuzen
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Thanks for the lesson. thumbup.gif
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post Mar 31 2017, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 31 2017, 03:46 PM)
U not tempted with the 0% SC 0% platform fee meh  laugh.gif

There are more choices in SG, be it platforms or funds; but sometimes too many choices make it confusing also la
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I stick with what sifu wong and xuzen taught me.
Keep it lean and mean bruce.gif flex.gif
You are not playing pokemon bruce.gif

FSM MY - 5 funds (but it's 6 fund because I hold 2 reits)
POEMS SG- about 6-7 funds.
(AP, US, China, India, HY bond, JP, AU funds)

I can cut away the AU and JP but let's give them chance.

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