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Ramjade
post Dec 5 2018, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(cklimm @ Dec 5 2018, 03:17 PM)
It is now getting troublesome, a simple "me to me" transfer, Moneymatch and Instarem both asked for my employment detail.
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Uncle must be big shark until they questioned you. I never been questioned. Only first time. That time show proof then no more questions.

Another alternative you can try is
1) max money
2) use priority banking
-people say some banks offer you better rates if you can transfer 6 figure per time.
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post Apr 27 2019, 01:22 AM

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QUOTE(cklimm @ Apr 26 2019, 11:17 PM)
xuzen Hansel Ramjade
Upon knowing that Maybank Kim Eng charges no custodial fee and dividend handling fees,
I decided to moves all my balances there from Poems.

Should I close the poems account, or just leave $1 balance there?
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Advice you to use Interactive Broker. Can get spot exchange rate. Which means you can deposit say SGD and withdraw out in AUD at rate even cheaper than money changer

If you don't want to kena charged USD10/month use whitelabel (rebranded interactive beoekr) /keep USD100k with them.
Whitelabel selection
- Captrader, zacktrader, tradestation global

Keep poems account. You can use their MMF and earn >1%p.a They have good selection of unit trust too at zero fees.

Hope that helps.
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post Apr 27 2019, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(cklimm @ Apr 27 2019, 08:24 AM)
I like their MMF too, but no transaction in every quarter I will kena $16.50 maintenance fee, i dont like to be forced to buy/sell every quarter.
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Close down their stock brokerage account and tell them you want account for their UT only. Their UT account does not have any quarterly charges.
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post Apr 27 2019, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(cklimm @ Apr 27 2019, 03:34 PM)
Wow, good idea. Thanks dude.
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When you do not have priority bankingp privilege (access to higher interest rates), you need to think of ways to get priority banking privilege at via normal people route.

Of course in your case tell them you want to open unit trust account first then only close your stock brokerage.

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post Apr 1 2021, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(no6 @ Apr 1 2021, 04:22 PM)
is this still applicable ? do we have to do it manually via email to fsm sg for UT account only
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FSM SG is only good for SG stocks. Nothing else. Do not use their platform to buy unit trust or overseas stocks unless you like to give them free money.
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post Apr 3 2021, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(cklimm @ Apr 2 2021, 02:00 PM)
Yes, even their "managed portfolio" sucks
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Don't bother about managed portfolio. If you really want their managed portfolio just use stashaway.
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post Dec 2 2021, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Dec 2 2021, 02:22 PM)
Thanks to a kind poster from FSM Msia thread I am now in FSM Spore thread.

The latest promotion is very attractive. Any takers?

secure.fundsupermart.com/fsm/article/view/rcms243720/announcement-invest-in-bite-sized-unit-trusts-with-reduced-minimum-initial-investment
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Don't bother with FSM SG unless you like to give free money to FSM SG. They have quarterly platform fees.
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post Dec 3 2021, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Dec 3 2021, 12:14 PM)
Hi as WhitE LighteR point out I am from Spore. All investment platform charges fees else how they survive? Regarding your concern of platform fees my reasoning is below.

FSM Spore impose 0% sales charge which means you put X dollars all of them go into buying units. With sales charge you actually put (X - sales charge) dollars so you get lesser units. Since it is quarterly, if your fund perform good before the quarterly time is triggered, the fund profits can cover the platform fees.

The new promotion means with 100 I can buy more new funds but take note to sell it is still mostly min holding 1000 which means you can't sell that 100 partially unless you sell all totally. The 100 low capital means I can risk to put into much more riskier funds and hope to get higher returns which previously I dare not as lose is lose 1000 instead of 100. Imagine 1000 can buy up to 10 funds each 100 (of cuz I not doing that in reality it is just for illustration).
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Wrong. Dollardex and poems got no quarterly platform fees.
So said as I said if you like paying fees and giving away free money, by all means use FSM sg for uni trust.

If you are Singaporean or eorkig in sg with some local address, I will recommend dollardex. Poems is for Malaysian ehi don't have sg address, not working or studying in sg.pick wheicher you want.

If you still want to pick FSM cause you can buy smaller funds, by all means go ahead. Just heads up you will be paying more over the long term Vs usih dollardex or Poems.

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post Dec 4 2021, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(TaiGoh @ Dec 4 2021, 10:23 PM)
Wondering any reason you recommend dollardex over poems?
Thinking to open an account with either one for low risk investment like Bond Fund or REITS, any recommendations?
Thanks!
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Because if you got no sg address or sg working pass, they won't accept you. Not sure which one. It's been long time since I emailed them.

If you are a Malaysian who's not rich looking to invest overseas, you won't have sg address and unlikely you are working in sg.
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post Dec 5 2021, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(TaiGoh @ Dec 5 2021, 12:30 AM)
If I am working in Singapore for example, is there any advantage to choose Dollardex over poems just wondering?
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No. Just come down to interface, ease of use and see whether they have the fund you want to buy or not.
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post Dec 5 2021, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(TaiGoh @ Dec 5 2021, 04:35 PM)
Thanks.
If you talking about US Stocks or ETFs, I will use Interactive Brokers, did not really explore SG Stocks or ETFs  yet but I think that can be achieved with Interactive Brokers as well, just not sure which one is cheaper.
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Don't bother with poems or fsm for us stocks and etf. They are expensive Vs interactive broker.
Also save yourself money and don't bother about sg stocks. They are only good for reits and banks. Nothing else.

QUOTE(sgh @ Dec 5 2021, 05:53 PM)
Ok before one try to invest in stock,etf directly be aware of how it works regardless you use which broker. Their price is real time what you buy and sell is locked at the time of txn. Fund and SA are forward pricing I think. When you do a buy or sell the price you see is indicative not the actual price at time of txn.

I read in SA thread ppl complain getting less of what they see on screen when they sell at SA and long time ago in FSM too. These ppl do not fully understand how it works before they invest.

Buy overseas stock,etf always have this extra fees, currency conversion etc factors involved when you perform a trade. You can check online all the various brokerages and banks for the lowest fee.

I avoid all that by invest in funds where fund managers do all those for me by paying them fees in the form of expense ratio etc. For local stock,etf can use poems but sometimes the bid and ask can be a pain. You either buy up or sell down if cannot wait. Take note of the buy see fees incurred for each trade. The more you flip the more you pay and that is when brokerage firm very happy as each trade they earn monies.

Lastly happy investing and please invest what you can lose. Don't invest your whole fortune into it.
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Actually you pay more for funds at 1.8%p.a Vs DIY at around 0.4% one time fee if you are just holding.

Whether the fund is making money or losing money, you are guaranteed to lose 1.8%p.a

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post Dec 6 2021, 02:49 AM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Dec 6 2021, 02:31 AM)
Hi you seem to have very strong opinion on some investment ppl have done. Can I ask how old are you in real life and how long have you been investing?

E.g you say sg stocks only good for REIT and banks, fund make or lose monies guaranteed to lose 1.8% etc.

If you are looking for quick bucks I don't think sg us stock,etf or funds are suitable for you. As Msian Genting Highlands casino is a few hrs drive away. Play big small 5-10 min you get your 100 or 0% profits,losses immediately.

This is a FSM Spore thread so I thought this is a good forum to exchange views on fund investing but you keep talking about lose monies. Can I ask you lose monies very big in FSM before? If yes I can understand becuz investment inherently come with risk. I hope you lost not a lot so can recoup via interactive brokers as you mention.
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Age is not importance. I have been doing it for almost 7 years.
I have been though everything, unit trust, sg stocks us stocks.

I am just staring the obvious.
Sg stocks are lousy quality. I stay by what I said, they are only good for reits and banks.
Maybe around 4 stocks that are good outside of reits but otherwise the rest are rubbish.

Its a fact. When you invest in unit trust whether the fund make or lose money, you are paying 1.5-1.8%p.a in fees. That's why I said you will lose 1.8%p.a unless you DIY.

No I don't go Genting.

I will only recommend fsm for sg reits. That's all. Other stuff, use other platform. Other stuff apart from sg reits, I will tell everyone avoid FSM at all cost. Reasons:
1) why pay more? You are losing good money over time by paying platform fees when there's no fees on their competitor site.
2) they sucks for overseas stocks.
3) cause other better plarofrm exist and I don't have loyalty to FSM.
4) I will recommend the platform if I used it and like it. If it fail my test, I won't recommend it all.

For now fsm sg have only passed my test for sg reits and fail other stuff. If one day, it decided to have no plarofrm4 fees and us fees is as competitive as interactive broker, Moomoo, tiger, I will recommend it. For now no. It's only useful for sg REITs.

I use poems sg for unit trust and interactive broker for us stocks.

So as I said above, if you like giving free money to FSM, by all means go ahead. I dont give free money to fsm or banks if I can help it. I can't and I won't stop you. I just tell you that you are losing good money to FSM over long term.

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post Dec 6 2021, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Dec 6 2021, 11:31 AM)
Lastly I will continue to share fund related info in this FSM Spore thread unless admin feel I am violating forum rules. I will also try not to talk about other investment platform as a sign of respect to this thread that is dedicated to FSM Spore.
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You are welcome to share your fund stuff and I will continue to warn people against using FSM sg for unit trust until the day they remove the quarterly platform fees if they do remove it. If not, I will continue to tell people who ask is fsm a good platform for unit trust and tell them to avoid it seeing that their competitor does not charge platfeom fees and have more or less the same fund.

If they do remove it, I will recommend it. So you do your thing and I do mine. biggrin.gif

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post Dec 8 2021, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Dec 8 2021, 06:32 PM)
Ramjade is basically biting the hands that feed him. When he is newbie and green, SG conducive environment provide for him to learn. Once his wings grow strong he can fly and start to bite those instruments that used to train him. (I read this thread from page 1 onwards during my free time)

Think of Chinese pugilistic show. Disciple no skill, master slowly teach and nurture. Once disciple learn all the skills go and kill the master and become his own master going around killing. An analogy smile.gif

PS Btw in those show, that arrogant disciple soon met his downfall in the end. Food for thought.
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Is not biting the hands that feed. Want to know why? I am giving advise so that those who want to start investing won't make that same mistake I make.

If I can travel back in time to when I start, I will tell my younger self that. Avoid sg stocks at all cost.

If I am starting out form scratch today after learning everything, I will not invest in sg market at all.

Is all about how efficient you want to deploy capital. If you want to waste money in something not efficient, I can'not do anything. I learned my mistake and realised sg market not efficient in growing wealth.

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post Dec 9 2021, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Dec 9 2021, 07:14 PM)
Anyone decide to invest with FSM Spore latest promotion of fund min. initial investment of $100? $100 for you to test water on funds that you previously will not want to try due to the min. $1000 requirement.

Let me start first I have. And since the capital is small, I go for the most aggressive funds of risk rating 10. Basically sector/theme funds. Gold & Precious Metals, Healthcare, Infrastructure, Property, Resources, Small to Medium Companies, Technology. Previously say for e.g to invest one fund in each sector, I need $7000. Now I only need $700. Then depend how it goes slowly top up $100 each time. This is like supermarket sales promoter that cook some food and let you taste nice or not. Nice then you buy more. Of cuz food testing is free but the idea is similar.

Reason why focus on sector/theme funds is because I already have quite a few geographical region and country specific funds over the years. For a long time I do not have the courage to put so much on those highly volatile sector/theme funds.
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Come I give you example.
1. Look at sg blue chip companies excludig banks Vs US blue chip company over 10 years.
- Where is Microsoft, apple,Google, Amazon, home depot, coca cola, Johnson and Johnson. Where are they now?
- now look at singtel, keppel, sembcorp, starhub, capitaland, sph. Where are they now?

2. How many quality companies can you find in sg excluding Reits and banks
- Ums
- micro mechanics
- UOI
- Sheng siong

How many quality US companies are there?
- Microsoft
- apple
- Amazon
- Google
- Home depot
- Costco
- Nvidia
- Starbucks
- sea ltd
- Disney
- tesla
- many more

Anyway this is Fsm sg thread and I am not going to to derail it further.

You do what you think is right for your money, I do what I think is right.
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post Dec 25 2021, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Dec 25 2021, 01:56 PM)
SPDR® Gold Shares (SGX:GSD)

FSM ETF RSP for above is 300 each month. So high compared to others at 50.
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Can just use Ibkr to buy fractional shares for usd0.35/transaction. Way cheaper than FSM hands down.

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