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post Dec 13 2015, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(davlee @ Dec 10 2015, 03:46 PM)
Hi everyone... newbie here.

Last two weeks, went to LFS and bought 2 pairs of guppy. Just wanted to play around with it and put into my empty round bowl... after 2 weeks, one of the female gave birth! I was so thrilled of this. It seems like the first time ever that the fish that I rear gave birth. Soon, it triggered my interest again in rearing fish...

Now, I'm planning to get a proper tank, say 2ft and aim to rear about 20 guppies, for show on my living room. Been doing some reading but really dont have the time to dig much deeper. And so I found this thread, hoping all the sifus here will share some experiences with me...  notworthy.gif

Below are the items that I'm thinking to get for my 2ft tank... hope any sifu here can just gimme some guideline and tips...

For tank setup:

1) Tank and cabinet
2) Canister Filter (I thinking to get Fluval 206 or Dophin CF800. Dophin comes with UV. Will this UV helps prevent diseases?)
3) Heater and Thermometer
4) Air pump - necessary?
5) LED Light
6) Anything that I missed?

For Aquascape (Zero idea on this... I wish to get some "lazy" aqua plant)...

1) Aqua Soil - necessary? Or I can just get gravel? No idea at all
2) Aqua powder?
3) Liquid CO2?
4) Plant food?
5) Driftwood and stones (deco)

I read that some aquarium, not sure what is the setup, seems like no need to change water for months or even a year. Is it the UV at work?

These are what I have in mind right now... huh, will be quite an investment there. Hope sifus can comment a bit. Many thanks!
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hello, it depend on what kind of tank you wanna do, planted tank? with co2? or breeding of guppy? it depends on your main purpose, if you are to breed pure strain guppies, 2ft is too big and 1 tank is not enough, just a bare tank will do for breeding of guppies.

but from your description, it seems like you are going to do a planted tank and put guppies in it, ppl are not really keen on putting guppy in planted tank because they are not schooling fish like tetra, etc. but you can still put of course.

let's go through your tank setup.

1) Tank and cabinet
2) Canister Filter is good, i recommend eheim 2215 for 2ft planted tank, I personally have not tried fluval or dolphin before, so cannot comment. but, no point getting the one with UV thingy, not necessary.
3) you don't need a Heater, but a Thermometer allows you to monitor your tank temperature, just a cheap one will do for reading only.
4) Air pump - it depends, often planted tank would have a layer of oil film on the surface, air pump can help break the oil film though not necessary. it also depends on whether you would have co2 or not, co2 is hard to dissolve in the water when the level of oxygen is too high, hence, normally i would recommend to switch on air pump (if any) at night only. it also helps aeration. also, it depends on whether your fauna are gasping for air, if yes, means your level of co2 is too high and hence you should have an air pump. (though generally, no need air pump for a planted tank).

With regards to the oil film, if you are using a canister filter, you can opt to have lily pipe (which you cost you a fair bit), lift the lily pipe at night to the surface, it can help break the oil film and perform night aeration and more beautiful for your tank.

5) LED Light, yes important, get a good one.

6) Anything that I missed? yes, you miss something important, to keep the temperature down, it depends on what flora and fauna you wanna keep, certain type requires low temperature like 24 or 25 degree Celsius. like crystal red shrimps etc. the temperature in our country is always high at around 30 degree. so if you wanna achieve that temperature, you need a chiller (which will cost you quite a lot, and quite high electricity consumption), if you are not planning to keep those, you can make do with a DIY fan (save cost), this would allow you to achieve around 27-28 degree which is quite good for normal plant, like Moss and some stem plants like rotala etc.

Also, do you want to use co2? if yes, buy one or DIY co2? some plants would survive and stunt growth without co2, plants would thrive with co2, right water flow and temperature. so you gotta think about it.

For Aquascape (Zero idea on this... I wish to get some "lazy" aqua plant)...

1) Aqua Soil - necessary? Or I can just get gravel? No idea at all.
it depends on what kind of tank you wanna set up, if you are trying have a full planted tank with carpet plant and stem plants etc, you should get aqua soil, i would recommend ADA amazonia, really good. Secondly, if you wanna just set up a moss tank, you might not need soil, maybe can use full sand as substrate, but white sands are hard to maintain, especially when the algae kicks in. not really recommended for a newbie (speaking from experience, my algae on my sands are just simply yucks! lol. Lastly, if you are tight on budget, there are ppl use holland sands, those cheap ones, as subtract, but very hard to keep stem plants. think about it.

2) Aqua powder? do you mean those ADA powder like penac W, penac C, bacter 100, etc? if you have the budget, yes, some ppl would recommend you to go ahead, together with power sand below the subtract, but not cheap though. also, it depends on yourself, do you like rescaping? if yes, how often? every year? ADA doesn't really rescape, if you don't plan to rescape, for a long time (like 3-5 years, or even more), yes, those ADA products can help you a lot. if you like rescaping every year, then I would say, save those, just go with ADA amazonia will do. no need the others.

But for the penac W, penac C, bacter 100, I have better use for it, buy just 2 scoops of the Penac W and Penac C, 1 scoop of Bacter 100. After you have set up your tank (water fully filled), get a 500 ml empty bottle, pour them inside, mix with water, shake well (5-10 minutes shake), then pour into your tank. Your tank will look super cloudy that you can't see a shit. Yes, you can't see anything at all. but don't worry, just let the filter run. After 24 hours, you will see super crystal clear water, no one outside will teach you.

3) Liquid CO2? I don't really encourage the use of liquid co2, they will sway your PH level, if you have shrimps in your tank, they might take the toll. if you don't have shrimp then its ok. the next thing about Liquid CO2 is that it is very good at killing algae, next time let me know when you wanna know. Seachem Excel is excellent in killing certain type of algae when you do a "specific area treatment", very hard to tell here, can share with you how next time.

I won't say you won't completely don't need it, it's good to have too, but just be mindful with the amount that you use.

4) Plant food? do you mean fertiliser? yes, plants would require fertiliser, there are plenty on the market, ADA (expensive!), DoAqua! (cheaper version by ADA), Seachem and some other brands what you can consider. you gotta have, high demand plants need them.

5) Driftwood and stones (deco), as for drift woods and ryu stone is entirely up to you how you wanna set up your scape, draw out something before materialising it. You can tie moss to the driftwoods, which can be very beautiful. Google for IAPLC pictures to have idea on how you wanna do it. then mould one yourself.

Sorry for the late reply as promised few days ago, but i think these are more to planted tank talk than guppy talk, i think we shall take this back to planted tank talk.

Good luck in your aquascaping journey. icon_rolleyes.gif




QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 10 2015, 03:52 PM)
Need some advice here...

Some time ago, I nbtd go pinjam my albino full red female to my colleague to distract his male sky blue.

After getting her back, she's alone in her own tank and had given birth 3 times to non-albino fries.

Do you guys think I need to get a new female for breeding?
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Isn't sky blue = albino blue tuxedo? which is also albino right?

nonetheless, i reckon you could try mating back with male AFR, see if the dropping still come out non-albino?

but i think it's easier to just get a new pair, you're in taiwan right? plenty of them at a cheaper price la! thumbup.gif
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post Dec 14 2015, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Dec 13 2015, 11:56 PM)

Isn't sky blue = albino blue tuxedo? which is also albino right?

nonetheless, i reckon you could try mating back with male AFR, see if the dropping still come out non-albino?

but i think it's easier to just get a new pair, you're in taiwan right? plenty of them at a cheaper price la!  thumbup.gif
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Yeah.. its also albino but the fries all black eyed and gray.

I also thought of getting another female. Just my usual breeder's stock not nice recently.
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 14 2015, 10:09 AM)
Yeah.. its also albino but the fries all black eyed and gray.

I also thought of getting another female. Just my usual breeder's stock not nice recently.
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means their line is not stable or long enough to produce consistent offspring, if i were you, i won't get the fish anymore.
i mean, i will change to another breeder, there are so many of them in taiwan that you can get high quality guppies from.
albino that produces black eyed and gray fishes = not worth the time anymore.
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guys i hv problem with my guppy fry
usually it stunned and dont grow to any bigger 1-1.5cm max

any pro tips?
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post Dec 23 2015, 03:21 PM

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how exactly guppies give birth?..did saw a video where it gave birth for 10-20 fry in one time..

for my tank, not sure what the problem is, i only detect 1 fry..then around 2/3weeks found another 1 fry..is the fry being eaten by others?.or something else i dont know?.

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QUOTE(1qaz1qaz @ Dec 23 2015, 12:23 PM)
guys i hv problem with my guppy fry
usually it stunned and dont grow to any bigger 1-1.5cm max

any pro tips?
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for your fry, how old are they? if they are around 3 weeks - 1 month then it's consider quite okay. one or two only or all of them? (1 whole batch of fry).
how big is your tank? what are the condition? just a bare tank only for fry or? what is your feeding pattern and what do you feed? there's technic how you can get them grow really fast. usually around 2.5months should be a full adult ad, 3.5 months should be a show guppy type already.

QUOTE(usmanjailani @ Dec 23 2015, 03:21 PM)
how exactly guppies give birth?..did saw a video where it gave birth for 10-20 fry in one time..

for my tank, not sure what the problem is, i only detect 1 fry..then around 2/3weeks found another 1 fry..is the fry being eaten by others?.or something else i dont know?.

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depending on the size of the mother, some can give birth over 100+ fry, virgin mom usually 10-20 for the first time and the number will increase subsequently. adult fish will eat all the fry, so please separate the mother to a labour room and separate the fry. this way, the guppy can be protected and grow faster.
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Dec 28 2015, 01:02 AM)
for your fry, how old are they? if they are around 3 weeks - 1 month then it's consider quite okay. one or two only or all of them? (1 whole batch of fry).
how big is your tank? what are the condition? just a bare tank only for fry or? what is your feeding pattern and what do you feed? there's technic how you can get them grow really fast. usually around 2.5months should be a full adult ad, 3.5 months should be a show guppy type already.
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3months+ still about 1 - 1.5cm long only doh.gif
is the same batch fry about 1X fry in 3 liter container
feeding them twice a day with this
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Dec 28 2015, 01:02 AM)
depending on the size of the mother, some can give birth over 100+ fry, virgin mom usually 10-20 for the first time and the number will increase subsequently. adult fish will eat all the fry, so please separate the mother to a labour room and separate the fry. this way, the guppy can be protected and grow faster.
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and for some reason my guppy (1m & 2f) about a months+ now
and non of the female show any sign of pregnancy
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QUOTE(1qaz1qaz @ Dec 28 2015, 05:28 PM)
3months+ still about 1 - 1.5cm long only  doh.gif
is the same batch fry about 1X fry in 3 liter container
feeding them twice a day with this
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hmm, the food you feed should be okay... though i never use it myself. 3 litre container a bit too small la, get at lease those 13 bucks plastic aquarium size to keep them, how often did you change water?

QUOTE(1qaz1qaz @ Dec 28 2015, 05:31 PM)
and for some reason my guppy (1m & 2f) about a months+ now
and non of the female show any sign of pregnancy
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how old are they? is the male chasing tail? some male may not chase at all....
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Dec 28 2015, 11:53 PM)
hmm, the food you feed should be okay... though i never use it myself. 3 litre container a bit too small la, get at lease those 13 bucks plastic aquarium size to keep them, how often did you change water?
how old are they? is the male chasing tail? some male may not chase at all....
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weekly wc coz no filter
what do u feed ur fry/guppy?

hmm idk, get those from lfs i think atleast 6month +-
when u mention it, yeah first 2 week the male like to "fvck" the female but now i hardly see him do that
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QUOTE(1qaz1qaz @ Dec 29 2015, 09:57 AM)
weekly wc coz no filter
what do u feed ur fry/guppy?

hmm idk, get those from lfs i think atleast 6month +-
when u mention it, yeah first 2 week the male like to "fvck" the female but now i hardly see him do that
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i consider weekly water change too long... i change at least every 2 days and i feed very heavily, so the fry will grow a lot faster.
I feed artemia brine shrimp mainly and decapsulated brine shrimp.

i can't comment for those lfs fishes, but generally we get adult fishes of 4 months or less.
it's hard to get pregnant if the male fish don't chase tail.
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Dec 29 2015, 04:42 PM)
i consider weekly water change too long... i change at least every 2 days and i feed very heavily, so the fry will grow a lot faster.
I feed artemia brine shrimp mainly and decapsulated brine shrimp.

i can't comment for those lfs fishes, but generally we get adult fishes of 4 months or less.
it's hard to get pregnant if the male fish don't chase tail.
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whr do u get artemia brine shrimp & decapsulated brine shrimp?

yeah lo, sienz liao thier no get pregnant doh.gif
myb will add another pair in to it
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 29 2015, 08:32 PM)
My last female... the lone rose among the thorns

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Nice
What breed?
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QUOTE(Xnet @ Dec 29 2015, 08:34 PM)
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Albino full red
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Albino full red
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Very nice - anyone selling?
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 29 2015, 08:32 PM)
My last female... the lone rose among the thorns

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wehhhh pretty wehhhhhhhh


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QUOTE(1qaz1qaz @ Dec 29 2015, 04:50 PM)
whr do u get artemia brine shrimp & decapsulated brine shrimp?

yeah lo, sienz liao thier no get pregnant  doh.gif
myb will add another pair in to it
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the one that needs hatching on your own. decapsulated brine shrimp is non-hatch type, you can get from major aquarium shop...
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 29 2015, 08:32 PM)
My last female... the lone rose among the thorns

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nice... if the afr female tail can fully cover with red then even better!

can put the best male pic and see? from here can't see the male properly.
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 29 2015, 08:32 PM)
My last female... the lone rose among the thorns

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nice...

QUOTE(tehoice @ Dec 30 2015, 01:50 AM)
the one that needs hatching on your own. decapsulated brine shrimp is non-hatch type, you can get from major aquarium shop...
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oh ic, how much do they cost?

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