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post Oct 23 2007, 02:04 PM

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This would be a great news for investor using EPF money:
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EPF scheme to help members save more for retirement

By PAUL CHOO

paulchoo@thestar.com.my

KUALA LUMPUR: All Employees Provident Fund contributors will, from Feb 1, be able to withdraw part of their funds and channel them to approved investment programmes.

Under the new scheme, contributors, irrespective of age, will be able to withdraw from Account One what is in excess of a "required amount" of savings as determined by the EPF and invest the money in unit trusts.

Currently, contributors can only do so if they have in excess of RM50,000.


This is one among a range of changes that the EPF is implementing in stages to make it easier for contributors to exercise the option to augment their savings for their retirement.

Using the tagline "Beyond Savings", the EPF also hopes the changes will ensure that contributors have enough money for retirement.

Other changes include: 

# MORE flexible withdrawals for contributors at age 55;

# ALLOWING withdrawal of any amount irrespective of age for savings in excess of RM1mil;

# ALLOWING withdrawals from Account Two for critical illness insurance; and

# WITHDRAWALS for housing loan instalments.

These changes were revealed by EPF chief executive officer Datuk Azlan Zainol at the fund's headquarters here yesterday.

Azlan said the EPF has established a set of "required amounts" for contributors depending on their age.

The amounts are based on the assumption that a person would need at least RM120,000 - or RM500 a month - from retirement at 55 to age 75.

He said a contributor could withdraw 20% of the amount in excess of the required amount for investments in unit trusts.

"For example, if a 25-year-old has RM20,000 in Account One, he can take 20% of the excess to invest once every three months. This is because his required amount is only RM9,000," he said.


For those who have reached 55, Azlan said that from Nov 1 they would have several options: withdraw everything they have, go for monthly withdrawals of at least RM250 for at least one year, or withdraw at least RM2,000 at any one time.

Currently, members aged 55 can only choose to withdraw the entire sum, withdraw only annual dividends, or take out monthly amounts but for at least five years.

Azlan said there would also be changes to the procedures for age 50 withdrawals.

From Jan 1, 2013, those who reach 50 would only be able to withdraw any amount from Account Two if their Account One has at least RM90,000, the required amount for that age.

On using EPF withdrawals to pay housing loan instalments, Azlan said that although the money would be banked straight into the contributors' accounts, it would be liasing with the banks to ensure that the loans are properly serviced.

"If they fail to pay their instalments for three months, the bank will inform us and we will stop payment to the contributors," he said, adding that this scheme would start from Jan 1.

Azlan said that from Nov 1, those who had more than RM1mil in their savings could withdraw and invest the excess amount anytime. He said there were about 4,700 contributors who had more than RM1mil in their accounts. 


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post Oct 23 2007, 03:47 PM

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Now most market near all time high, now only allow more can be withdraw to be invested. hmm.gif
No doubt, it is good to have flexibility, if it is done earlier like 2002-2003, a lot of EPF contributors already make a lot of money from it.

About the using EPF to pay housing loan is debatable, has pros and cons.

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So what is the "required amount" now, if it's not the usual RM50k?
For the example that they have given, they stated that the required amount is RM9k only?
A little confused when they don't elaborate more. wink.gif
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post Oct 23 2007, 07:51 PM

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How can we invest in foreign offered funds?
anyone have try before?

PS:Foreign fund pay up to 19% per annum wink.gif
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post Oct 23 2007, 07:57 PM

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My finance manager said...they did this because EPF funds now is too much for them to handle..it's hard to invest so much money and maintaining yearly dividents for the contributor...dunno if it's true or not
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QUOTE(jep @ Oct 23 2007, 07:57 PM)
My finance manager said...they did this because EPF funds now is too much for them to handle..it's hard to invest so much money and maintaining yearly dividents for the contributor...dunno if it's true or not
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Yes, it is true, the more money the more difficult to invest. We are not talking about millions but hundred of billions.
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can i ask if i want to buy PIADF today at lunch time before 4pm, is it follow yesterday price(monday) 0.2697 or today(tuesday) price?
thanks...a bit confused..

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QUOTE(SK2 @ Oct 24 2007, 09:33 AM)
can i ask if i want to buy PIADF today at lunch time before 4pm, is it follow yesterday price(monday) 0.2697 or today(tuesday) price?
thanks...a bit confused..
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it will be wed's price


Added on October 24, 2007, 9:40 amToday is Wed smile.gif

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post Oct 24 2007, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Oct 24 2007, 09:40 AM)
it will be wed's price


Added on October 24, 2007, 9:40 amToday is Wed smile.gif
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i still not very clear...but the public mutual website is monday price wo?so can u please check for me, if i want buy PIADF, then the NAV is how much?where to refer?thanks..
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The price on the site is usually 1 day late late

E.g.
For monday's closing result:-
Top portion will be showed on Tues Morning (around 11am)
Bottom portion will be showed on Mon Evening (around 8pm)

If today you want to buy any fund, you wouldn't know until the market is close


Added on October 24, 2007, 10:24 amThe price on the site is not like stocks which is updated every few seconds. The NAV needs to be calculated when the market is close

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post Oct 24 2007, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(SK2 @ Oct 24 2007, 10:14 AM)
i still not very clear...but the public mutual website is monday price wo?so can u please check for me, if i want buy PIADF, then the NAV is how much?where to refer?thanks..
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Today before 11am, public mutual price will be Monday price. After 11am, the price will be Tuesday price. If you buy today before 4pm, the price that you buy is Wednesday price, which you only can see at public mutual website tomorrow after 11am.
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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Oct 24 2007, 10:23 AM)
The price on the site is usually 1 day late late

E.g.
For monday's closing result:-
Top portion will be showed on Tues Morning (around 11am)
Bottom portion will be showed on Mon Evening (around 8pm)

If today you want to buy any fund, you wouldn't know until the market is close


Added on October 24, 2007, 10:24 amThe price on the site is not like stocks which is updated every few seconds. The NAV needs to be calculated when the market is close
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thanks...i now clear..


Added on October 24, 2007, 10:45 am
QUOTE(leekk8 @ Oct 24 2007, 10:36 AM)
Today before 11am, public mutual price will be Monday price. After 11am, the price will be Tuesday price. If you buy today before 4pm, the price that you buy is Wednesday price, which you only can see at public mutual website tomorrow after 11am.
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thanks so much for ur explanation.. notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(MNet @ Oct 23 2007, 07:51 PM)
How can we invest in foreign offered funds?
anyone have try before?

PS:Foreign fund pay up to 19% per annum wink.gif
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The funds that you want to invest in will have to get EPF's approval..
No foreign funds as of now because the risk is high..
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i still not quite understand after i read the paper, if account 1 got 50k, how much is allowed to withdrawl for UT investment?
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post Oct 24 2007, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(KiliKulu @ Oct 24 2007, 01:03 PM)
i still not quite understand after i read the paper, if account 1 got 50k, how much is allowed to withdrawl for UT investment?
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Under the current EPF requirement for Unit Trust Investment:

20% of the excess amount of RM50k in your Account 1,

i.e. if your Account 1 got 100K, amount u can take to invest is (100k-50k)X20% = RM10k nod.gif

withdrawal can only be done every 3months

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The recent paper announcement oso make me blur ady...minimum 9k in Account 1????????

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I doubt the new EPF ruling will help. With market at all time high, the ability of it to go higher is there albeit limited. This ruling should have been in place 3-4 years ago.

Those who aggressively seek this ruling will/ may find themselves burnt at the end of the period. Reason pretty much simple:

EPF knows that they are not able to manage the funds effectively anymore hence they are encouraging withdrawals. As for the home loan settlements, this will result greatly in engaging millions of surplus funds in EPF into the ailing property market in Malaysia hence so save the bacon of some of the developers right now.

If there are any reasoning behind it, for investors, it may be logical for them to utilize their EPF funds and park it under Bond Fund until such time when the market has dropped 30%-50% before plucking it out and park it back into equity funds. I hope I exit mine on time as well... smile.gif.
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Hi there ,im looking to buy some unit trust any idea which fund is good buy for long term investment ???

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post Oct 24 2007, 05:47 PM

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Public Mutual is a good start for beginers.
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QUOTE(kingkong81 @ Oct 24 2007, 02:37 PM)
Under the current EPF requirement for Unit Trust Investment:

20% of the excess amount of RM50k in your Account 1,

i.e. if your Account 1 got 100K, amount u can take to invest is (100k-50k)X20% = RM10k  nod.gif

withdrawal can only be done every 3months

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The recent paper announcement oso make me blur ady...minimum 9k in Account 1????????
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Just to clear this up. The EPF has NOT given the " Withdrawal Amount List" which indicates the amount you can withdraw depending on your age

So if you are 29 years old then you need less money in your Account 1 before you can withdraw for investment purposes. If you are 50 years old , then you need RM 120K before you can withdraw for investment. So the amount you can withdraw for investment is variable, depending on your age.


The current flat rate for EPF withdrawal is RM50K from Account 1. But the new ruling will come into effect from 1 Feb 2008. Thus those effected would be the middle age with good income. If you are 50 years old and have say RM100k now you can still invest in mutual funds. But come Feb 2008, you cannot invest any more as you need RM 120k before you can invest. cry.gif cry.gif

But details of the "List" from EPF have not been release yet.

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My grouse / complain about EPF is their " Yearly returns " in MUCH LESS than those which Mutual Funds have given. EPF ~ 5% over last 5 years. Ave Mutual Funds ~ 13% over last 5 years.

But if it is compounded over 5 years the difference ( EPF = 1.05 over 5 years = 1.276times VS Mutual funds = 1.13 over 5 years = 1.842 times)

In terms of RM, say RM 100 k , it is 184,200 - 127,600 = 56,600. NOW you can start crying & complain why the EPF returns is so low !!! vmad.gif mad.gif vmad.gif mad.gif

Another CRITICAL factor is INFLATION which will eat into your savings. Thus if inflation is say 4% and EPF is giving say 5%, then you are having 1% advantage.

I really PITY those who keep money in FIX DEPOSIT & SAVING ACCOUNT !!! sweat.gif sweat.gif

NOw I hope the GOVN will control INFLATION , but realistically inflation is expected be much higher this and next year.

Please check how much basic items like :- Wheat. Sugar, Palm Oil, Rubber, Soyabean, rice, etc + the MAIN CRITICAL item of Crude Oil. See how much these has gone up over the last 1 year !!! Eg :- Wheat ( to make Bread, Mee, Roti, noodles, etc ) has gone up over 200% in 1 year !!

But this will take time to filter into the General Public Expenses, as the manufacturers/suppliers and retailers are absorbing the rise in cost. But it will be a matter of time before it is passed down. Unless Suppliers/manufacturers/retailers like to make "Losses" ??

Do we see Petrol price going up next year ??? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif ........................... Most likely. cry.gif cry.gif .. ( Now to sell off the 3litre Ranger .... )

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Hope this helps.
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Thread merged.
As it is talking about UT

Thanks.

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