Can anyone show me the route to get an american degree starting from SPM?

I dunnu anything.

all in know enter any institution that provide america's qualification like SAT, TOEFL...
then, score.. later u must apply to the uni u desire... can use the internet..
it's hard to apply, because many questions must be answered.. huuh

i heard from people that SAT kinnda hard.. huuhh

or u can try to damn score the SPM, apply for bank negara scholaship..
they send many students to America for financial enginering

This post has been edited by fantagero: Nov 14 2006, 11:45 PM

Maybe you wanna try American Degree Program (ADP).

Most colleges offer it, but they don't really transfer you to top tier universities because most of the credits you get here would not be taken.

i oso wan to go california !!!!!!
but no money

ya if ur thinking of an easy simple way to go, ADP is the right choice. I heard Inti college offers the best ADP program because the list of uni's that u can enrole is more then any other college. but if ur thinking of Princeton/Yale/Harvard, the ADP wont get u there

This post has been edited by HIPED up HIPPY: Nov 15 2006, 12:10 AM

No such thing.

But ADP only have a few course to choose from.

Not really. ADP is a course which transfer your credits to the university of your choice, to cover your credit there for the first year, and maybe the second year, and maybe even part of the third year(only very few universities would do so).

And, for all the US universities, you would have to take up what they call as general studies. That means, you almost study everything during your first year. You may need to take up a music subject even though you're and engineering student who has really no connection to music(i presume).

So, you can actually think of any kinds of course you wanna major in, architecture, archaelogy, to zoology. The only problem is the number of credits transferable. Let's see, if you wanna major in some really unpopular subjects in Malaysia like forensic studies, environmental studies, etc., the number of credits transferable would be less than those popular majors such as business, engineering, etc. because most ADP providers would not offer subjects which are transferable for your unpopular majors.

After all, you can still take up any course you want by going for ADP. It's just that your choice of universities is kinda limited.

Can I enter ADP after SPM?
or do I have to take any foundation program?

Yes..........

Yes you can enroll in an ADP program right after SPM.

What's the difference between American education system and British education system?

wut do you mean by no such thing???

You said


Where got such a thing? Where in the world can you find 'institutions that provide american qualification'?

ok.. sorry if i use the wrong termm..
wut i'm trying to say is..

the requirement.. like TOEFL, SAT, AP and so on..

AFAIK, if u got bank negara schola.. u'll take those exams in ur prep programme...
bcoz, bank negara will send the schola to USA university like princeton.. etc.

Ya... Just go for the American Degree Transfer Programme... no nid think too much.. but u better think off wat kind of degree u gonna go to b4 it is too late...

Which college provide the best ADP??

The universities that you can transfer into are more or less the same. Which means, any college that you're comfortable with is good enough.

Most people I've spoken to seems to agree that Inti provides the best ADP.

decide on a major. if you have chosen an adp in a particular college, and if you know what major you want, and you kinda have an idea of what uni in US you want to go to, make sure you check the uni's website and see if they have a list of courses that are transferable from the college in msia. most of the time, they do. especially from taylor's and inti, they should have a list.

most of the time, ppl who transfer their credits to US uni, it's about 50+ credit hours. that would put you at sophomore standing (2nd year). most of the time, major courses will not be offered at college with adp. it's only the general requirements that are offered.

what major are you thinking of? i can kind of tell you which courses from adp in msia will transfer.

i did my adp in taylor's. any college in msia is fine.

This post has been edited by jthm: Nov 16 2006, 12:04 PM

I want mechatronics! I have check on a few colleges and only Nilai college have mechatronics listed in their majors. And Inti only have 5/6 major courses.

P.s. what do you mean by credit transfer?

You shouldn't worry too much about your major in your first year. You won't be learning anything that has to do with mechatronics, you'll probably be taking calculus, physics and all, but not mechatronics or some advance courses.

You can't transfer to a university if you do not have anything to transfer. Understand?

the courses that you take in msia will be transfered to the uni which you apply and admitted for undergrad. so depending on the uni, not all credits will be transfered.

most uni, you need about 128 credit hours or more, i have no idea. but for my major it's 128 credit hours to graduate. so if you take some credit hours in msia, it would be transfered, meaning, you would have less credit hours to take in US.

another thing to consider, you can always take courses at community college here in the US, which is much cheaper and will definitely transfer, but always check with the uni if it does transfer or not.

And so what if your credit can't be transfer/only transfer abit to US?( I mean what problem will we face?)

pay more? study more?

This post has been edited by ~PussyDevil~: Nov 16 2006, 12:41 PM

it will most probably be an elective or disregarded. you will have to take whatever courses you're lacking in US, pay more dollars!

whats financial engineering?

How is it studying in US compare to anywhere?(education system and stuff)
fun?

well, i like it. it's less stressful compared to like taking SPM (only one exam determine whether you pass/fail), it requires that you study continuously, because of the quizzes, exams, assignments, presentations. so you will not fail miserably if you do well in some, if you do well in all, you should be getting As. i really dont know about other education system. but if you like ADP, you should like studying in US more...i find it easier compared to ADP.

another thing, there's always scholarships for undergrad available, competitve but possible. if you have really good results from SPM and from ADP, you can get scholarships and those can cover quite a lot of the tuition. i have friends here who get about $5000/year. it's quite a lot.

and if you plan to do your masters, you will get assistantship: for my uni, you wont need to pay tuition, and you only need to pay for your fees (intl student fee, health insurance, computer lab, library. etc.) in addition, you will get a stipend every month, that would be your "pay". this should be enough for your monthly expenses.

when you're getting close to finishing ADP, get in touch with seniors in the uni you want to go, they should be able to help you or give you more info.

Which uni are you in? and what course you studying now?

UNL, just google it. BS dietetics, continuing MS nutrition.

Thank you so much.
You help alot.

you're welcome. good luck!

american syllabus is very different from malaysia's syllabus(britsh) IIRC.

i mean the courses provided. malaysia(all the british commonwealth) focuz on finally exam, and only the final exam counts. for american its every semester counts. its very proggresive. but what u sit for in the 1st semester wont come out in the second semester and so on.

correct me if i'm wrong.

whatever you took in the previous semester will accumulate. the cumulative graduate point average (CGPA). so if you did very badly for one subject, like C or D, it will show your in CGPA. unless you retake (remember, it's not resit an exam) that class and score a better grade it will be hard to bring your CGPA up.

are you studying there? you seem to know alot.

exactly i missed out that part.. haha

nope. i have knowledge about it only lol

well, you are wrong.

it is obvious that the studying and exam methods are different, but it still requires memorization. although grades are calculated comprehensively, from the start of the sem/quarter to the end of it, the final exam still carry a lot of weight.

and whatever you learn in organic chem I will be needed in organic chem II, III so on and so forth too. there's no such thing as learn and forget.

if that is not the most obvious statement, I dont know what it is.

it is called Cumulative GPA for a reason. it is applied in UK and yourhomeland too.. so what gives?

i never said anything about forget. i said the chapters that are included in the 1st sem exam will be excluded in the 2nd sem. even tho every sem's chapter is related to each other but the scheme is totally different la.

I'm sorry for hijacking this thread but could someone recommend a good college for ADP-Computer Science. Thanks in advance!

I thought that those Americans don't know what CGPA is. They call it just GPA.

CGPA, probably, is used in Malaysia, correct me if I'm wrong.

ure wrong.

ure wrong some colleges use CGPA too

This post has been edited by mypetridish: Nov 19 2006, 02:55 AM

im doing my ADP in Taylors too. its quite fun actually. just about to finish my 1st semester here. btw jthm, hows Nebraska? is it good?

Define "fun".

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I dont understand something. An Australian/ UK degree takes 4 yrs to finish. But you do every thing related to your major in that 4 years.

American degree is 4 years also but 2 years for general studies and 2 years for majoring.

So the question is, those taking australian/uk degree will learn more than those american?? Is it true?

3-4 years, depending on the type of degree and where you're taking it.

Nope.

Sorry, but in the UK it is typical to have two exams per year, and all of it (except for the first year) contributes to the final results with the weightage varying according to year.

the good thing about American system is u can change the major u want to take in the space of the first 2years. the first years usually are subject that helps you improve your writing/speaking skills. social skills n basic introduction of other Major subjects.. cause the important subject that related to your major usually been teach in 3rd or 4th.

another thing, lets say u want to enroll as a Business major. in the first few semester, you take subjects that related to different areas. Computer Science, Business, Mathematics and Performing Arts. after finishing few semester u get As mostly on the computing subjects and you really enjoying those subjects. so, you can change u major to computer science or something.

where else i think in British system. If you enroll as Business major most probably u would end up getting Business degree.

You can't say which system is better than another. British system students will possibly ended up knowing mostly things that they are majoring in. where in American system, students would know the things that British system student learnt, plus they would know a bit more about other unrelated subject.

so, in my opinion American system works a bit better overall. but then again, it depends on certain individuals.

ADP need to buy laptop?

Bumping this thread and adding my own question as well

What are the reasonably good universities I can transfer to through ADP? I'm thinking of a degree in computer science.If possible give me a link with university rankings for UNDERGRADUATE cs courses.

Most good universities have a credit transfer limit so the more credits you could transfer, generally, the worse your college is... take my words with a grain of salt tho

nebraska is good for studying, there's not much entertainment around. The comp science major seems to be pretty good here, lots of Malaysians are here doing their BS and MS here.

CGPA is called cumulative grade point average and thats from all the course you have taken in a school

GPA is grade point average and its calculated per semester/quarter basis.

Anyways, I think UK use it too.

University of Nebraska-lincoln? Are you currently a student there?
Usnews didnt have a ranking for it and on other websites it is around 75th position for universities for computer science :S Should I depending less on the rankings given or what?

One more thing: Are the costs given on the university websites per year or for the whole duration of 2 years over there?
eg, http://www.admissions.wisc.edu/costs.php What is the cost of a 2 year study over there, 31k or 62k USD?

This post has been edited by Loongy22: Dec 1 2006, 12:15 PM

Be prepared to pay at least USD 20k per academic year on fees alone at public schools.

well, you decide for yourself. i'm not a comp sci major. research the universities yourself and apply whichever uni you want. i'm just stating the fact here, that there is quite a lot of comp sci major here who are Malaysians. i'm sure there is more/less in other uni who are majoring in comp sci too.

tuition and fees increase every academic year.

i'm planning to study the ADP programme in taylors...by the way.i'm wondering,is it easy for me to find a job after graduating and settle down in america?

it depends on what you're intending to major in and how good you perform.most big companies in america do on-campus recruitment.so,if you're really good,you could have a job waiting for you while you're still in university.
it would be best too that if you're taking ADP to also take the SAT.that way,you can transfer into better universities eg. maybe even Princeton.

Transfers do not need to take the SAT. SAT is only for those seeking to enter a university as a freshman.

No one can transfer into Princeton, because Princeton DO NOT accept transfers. If you want to study there, you have to apply as a freshman.

hmm,that's weird because i went to some private universities website and quite a few managed to transfer to princeton by doing well and also taking up the SAT.

That would probably be many years ago. Princeton no longer accepts transfers.

yeah.i realised.my bad.but if you want to transfer to better universities,taking the SAT is adviseable.take university of chicago for example.

is that so? princeton is one of the universities listed for transer in taylors ADP. maybe it is out of date
there aren't many choices to choose from the applied science majors,since computer science and engineering is out of my list..
actuarial science is too tough for me coz i'm not very good in add maths...
so now,i have a problem choosing the major course

This post has been edited by ^mtv^: Dec 2 2006, 04:26 PM

Which course are you most interested in if you could choose anything in the whole wide world?

something to do with the environment! i want to save animals,prevent pollution..etc etc..
but my mum prefers me to study something more prestigous,that is either medic or law. but both my sis n bro are already studying law! plus,she doesnt allows me to study biomedical in taylors!

This post has been edited by ^mtv^: Dec 2 2006, 04:47 PM

i personally think you should study something YOU ENJOY.dont be influenced by others because in the end of the day,if you dont want to be a doctor or a lawyer,you'll despise your profession for your whole life and be unhappy.very dramatic,i know. the world needs more people like you that wants to save it.

there are many courses out there.taylor's adp program offers less subjects.try help university.they've a very wide range of subjects for you to choose from for your credit hours.actually,you're not restricted to majoring computer science and stuff.the thing with american education is that you can decide later on and you can always take the subjects that can match what you want to study in america and not necessarily need to do computer science and all.

but if you're still undecided of what you want to major in but know where you want to go,take the A-levels first la like i suggested.always good to delay decisions.hehe.

This post has been edited by xjuen: Dec 2 2006, 05:42 PM

does anybody know which university is good for business major?

you want undergraduate degree or graduate degree?

If you mean Undergraduate (I think you mean that?),
look at the ranking table of USA News. Basically the top colleges are good for business major.

If you mean Graduate,
Wharton school of business is the most recognised.

It really depends on how you define "good".

University of Nebraska-Lincoln basically is not a prestigious university if you follow the ranking table of USA News. (2nd tier I think, out of 50)

However, university experience basically is a self-studying and self-exploring experience. How much you can benefit from an oversea education really depends on your attitude.

I think many transfer students from Malaysia are studying in Nebraska. So studying in a university with many people come from the same country as you would make you feel more home. And Nebraska is offering some kind of scholarship to transfer students (Inti, Taylor I'm not sure).

I would recommend you a forum for getting more education information,
http://www.recom.org.
It is really a great forum for discussing, sharing and asking about eduation,.


Good luck in your pursuit.

most top universities in the states dont offer undergraduate degree for business.but here are the good ones that do:
1. UPenn (Wharton)
2. U of Virginia (McIntire) - good in both undergrad and grad.
3. Notre Dame (Mendoza)
4. MIT (Sloan)
5. Emory (Gonzueita)

for graduate,of course are the ivy leagues.i think we all know that so i list down the non ivies for you:
1. Northwestern (Kellogg)
2. U of Michigan (Ross) - good in both undergrad and grad.
3. UCLA (Anderson)
4. U of Indiana (Kelley)
5. U of North Carolina (Kenan-Flagler)

you can actually go check it out in www.businessweek.com.it is very detailed in business education in the states.hope it helped.

This post has been edited by xjuen: Dec 2 2006, 06:25 PM

thank you very much guys. really appreciate your help.
btw, i found this site few months ago. CollegeBoard. good articles and very helpful College Search.

Im thinking of majoring in Real Estate, but not sure yet. what do you guys think?

This post has been edited by SpaThuGz: Dec 2 2006, 08:48 PM

you can try this website: Princeton Review.you can check out about your interest there.very detailed.i dont know the real estate market much so i cant comment.

Since you mentioned you're doing ADP. Erm...Transferring to Ivys will be a little bit harder.

Well, you can try U- of Michigan Ross School of Business. (I'm not sure they offer real estate)

and well...University of Wisconsin-Madison. Yes, they do offer real estate. And the school of business is good too.

Purdue University...

Do you plan to do graduate study after that?
And you should watch about your budget in choosing university too.


This post has been edited by pouringmoney: Dec 3 2006, 07:42 AM

All your parents can affford to send you all to US?? Rm 100k a year??

what is graduate/undergraduate study? im utterly confused.

I think they can, thats why they allowed me to enroll in ADP.
Is it hard to get aid, or scholarship or loan or whatever?
I dont really want to burden my parents.

I searched for universities that offer Real Estate major, but not many of them offer that. most of the universities that offer Real Estate are either private or really expensive.
but I found few public universities: UoMississipi, UoWyoming & UoMissouri.

Going to US doesn't have to cost a person RM100k a year. Of course it can cost that much, but with financial aid it can cost a WHOLE lot less. Btw, my parents can't afford to send me to the US.

Undergrad is what you study for your 1st degree (like a Bachelor's degree), grad is after your undergrad studies. (like Masters/Ph.D)

How hard it is to get financial aid depends on a lot of things including.. whether you ask for it, where you apply for financial aid (from the college/somewhere else), how likely you are to get the aid.. etc. I'm not sure in your case.

This post has been edited by hoongern: Dec 4 2006, 10:01 AM

Undergraduate study means "Ijazah pertama" (pardon my malay). Graduate generally means "master degree" or "doctorate degree".

I'm not sure with the scholarship stuff, you have to check with your advisor. Some universities have particular good connections with some colleges, so you will get the scholarship/aids stuff.

Hey, you must need to talk with your parents about the budget stuff. Money is always the first thing to think about if you want to get oversea education since financial aids are not always guaranteed.

ok, my 2 cents.

All advisor told me its quite impossible to get aid (other than loan) for the 2 years of the degree there. So bye bye!

But it is easy to get a scholarship/waiver for the 2 years of the graduate degree.(Relatively.)

This post has been edited by Loongy22: Dec 5 2006, 02:16 AM

It will be much more than RM100k, if you are going to study in a prestigious university, it may cost you about US40k per annum. And financial aid is not so easy to get one, especially for the top-notch university( excluding hte need-blind).

You're spoke to someone who is currently in Harvard.

Quite wrong in regards to financial aid at need-blind universities, if you have have mentioned that you need it when you apply and in an event that you do get admitted, you'll definitely get aid.

This post has been edited by feynman: Dec 5 2006, 02:03 PM

guys, what if someone wanted to study in US so badly and wishing it's an experience that you don't have to pay for? might sound silly but could that be possible?

I feel kinda weird taking part in this discussion, but one word answer - Yes. Not saying it's easy, but yes, it is possible.

Granted, nothing comes free, I suppose you are referring to money - it is possible to study here without paying anything at all (as I said, not necessarily easy)... but you pay through other means - if an institution offers you a scholarship, they expect you to contribute in some way or another.

yeah ... i had this wish when i was 15 years old... i had a realization that i wanted to study in the US ...

i got a mara loan/scholarship that let me study 2 years here and transfer to US to complete the degree ... but now i have to pay for the loan lah ... haha ... cause i was to busy enjoying life in the US and did not study

if you believe you can ... you can

let say if i want to apply, should i apply just for 1 university that offer major that i want or should i try to apply for 5/6 universities(but most of them dont offer the major that i want)?. i hope this question makes sense.

This post has been edited by SpaThuGz: Dec 8 2006, 02:55 PM

Apply to more than 1 university for the major that you want ... there should be alot of university offering the major that you want ... unless i understand the question wrongly

lol. scratch that last question..

how many universities should I try apply to? 1/2...8 maybe? how many is too many? is it possible if I get rejected by 10 universities I apply to?

Basically, apply to more than 1. There is no a fixed number as too many. Some even apply to 30++ colleges. Some apply to 1 only though it is not encouraged. Last time I applied for 3.

Normally what a school advisor will tell you is: Apply to 3 types of universities
(1)Reach colleges- Which you dream of studying there. But some chance of getting in
(2)Realistic colleges- Which are good universities but not as good as reach universities. You have better chance of getting in.
(3)Safety net - They might not be prestigious relatively. But you have very good chance for getting in. Serve as backup if you are rejected by reach and realistic.

Yap, it is possible for you to get rejected by 10 universities you apply to. But on the flip side, it is possible for you to get accepted by 10 universities as well.

I believe that you can only send your toefl or some other tests to only 5/6 universities. Correct me if I am wrong..

This post has been edited by Loongy22: Dec 8 2006, 10:09 PM

i applied for 3 previously ... all 3 accepted my application...i apply using the credit transfer method ... not straight after spm ... but i had to reject 2 of them because they need around US$500 as deposit ...the deposit is for housing/lodging... and that time my parents and me don't have the money to pay for it ...

if you want to get your application accepted ... you have to check what are the university requirement first ... usually listed on the respective university prospectus ... i think most of the resources can be found at MACEE? If i'm not mistaken lah .. left university long time ago

which are the three universities and which one did u accepted in the end? what are u going to do after this.
i want to study in america badly but i don't know whether can or not

the universities that I applied for not that prestigious lah ...
I applied for State University of New York (SUNY) - Buffalo, University of Washington and University of Missouri - Kansas City (UMKC)

Both the SUNY and University of Washington need deposit. The only one that didn't ask for deposit was UMKC - most of it are public university, public university cheaper than private university ... but still it is very expensive because malaysian are foreign student in the US.

and err I've graduated already ...

to answer the question what are you going to do after this - I am currently working? ...

oh..so you are going UMKC to study what course?

i was at UMKC ... took computer science ...fun course .. but didn't study ... played too many games and having fun

boyakasha1234 and r0xarena, could you guys tell me more about the place you guys studied in?

hmm ... what you want to know more about? ...

if you're in the university ... mix around more with the americans ... I made the mistake of just being around the malaysians only ...

if you need extra money in the university ... my university allowed me to do part time work on campus around 20 hours per week ... my pay per month was about USD300+ ... good enough to cover for food and entertainment expenses

maybe if you had specific things you want to know about ... I can explain more ...

Which state are you in?? In some states, if you work 20 hours per week at the right kind of jobs on campus, you qualify for the in-state tuition waiver/discount.

This only works for public state university.

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Dec 12 2006, 12:22 PM

the state I was in is Missouri, the city is Kansas City. I have left university long time ago