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Iliveunderwater
post Nov 11 2008, 12:01 PM

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Hello there everyone, Man, I just have to express something guys... I can't believe that there are actually a lot of Malaysians paying for their own tuition fees to study in the US, including some of my friends, even if some got apply for scholarship, its like the $5000 per year type of scholarship?? what?? to me thats like way too little because the tuition fees and all are like $12 - 30k per year! One of my friend can even go there first and THEN only apply for financial aid. Too rich already la. You all know that malaysian money is like way smaller than US money and I just can't believe some people would actually have the money to pay for the tuition fees. And my friend was telling me the other day that there was this university quite cheap in the US that was only $20 per year for tuition fees?? My friend made it sound like its damn cheap when its actually damn expensive to me, cuz its per year, and not for the whole course. Anyway those are my rants. sad.gif

In a middle class family like mine, my only hope for studying in the US or anywhere overseas, is only scholarships. My dad used to have money to pay for my sister's education in the UK but it costed a lot and now he has no more money for my education if I wanted to study abroad, not even living expenses (a little bit can la).

Anyway, I was wondering if the american degree program, is accepted for the need blind admission in US unis? and imagine if I did really well for 1 year here,get a real nice cgpa, can I transfer to a need blind university after only 1 year of studying ADP in malaysia? because I wanna go there as soon as possible and not wait for 2 years to go, but i really have doubts about whether ADP credits are really credible, especially when you wanna apply for scholarships as well because they're just transfer credits and not a real completed certificate like diploma and SPM. My spm is not that good, but its not bad either, its just not great. I do know that if you have good SPM results you can transfer anytime you want but then since my spm is not that good so we'll have to leave that one out.

This post has been edited by Iliveunderwater: Nov 11 2008, 12:17 PM
Iliveunderwater
post Nov 12 2008, 02:35 AM

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QUOTE(Jyou @ Nov 11 2008, 08:22 PM)
Iliveunderwater:

I'm in a similar situation, my SPM wasn't that great just 7As and 3Bs, I didn't try admitting right away into freshman year. I'm in a middle class family too, 4 years of tuition fees would be a burden to the family. After checking all the need blind universities I realise they're out of my reach, my results as you can see are just average and my co-curricular activities weren't really that stellar (was just a class treasurer, prefect and vice-prez of the computer club, nothing outstanding, no Olympiads, not much community work, nothing that stood out)
So I took AUP at Inti, and as added precaution took the SAT I, I didn't take SAT II. My parents could spare 100k comfortably for my expenses in US, I'm worried this won't be sufficient which is why I am seeking ways to cut down cost (eg. Found out some states waive out-of-state tuition fees, planning to work part-time there)
I plan to use AUP as a stepping stone, first a degree at a reasonably good university, then for grad school, the Ivies!

To answer your question, the American Degree Programme credits are not transferable to need-blind universities in US. You should have sufficient funds beforehand before taking this course. There are scholarships though but they're usually not enough to cover the whole cost.

I think you should try taking A levels, do your best, combine that with SATs I & II and try applying to any of the need-blind universities. Umm about why I myself didn't take this route, was well I wasn't confident that I could muster enough discipline to undergo another round of examinations that rely largely on memorization as we all know Malaysia's education system mirrors the British of which the grades count on the final exam, I'm not well suited for this system as I tend to slack and do things last minute an attitude that will bring me no-where if I attempted A levels.
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Jyou! oh man thanks! finally i found someone who actually talks about need blind unis. Btw, whats AUP? u mean ADP?
I have a friend who is studying American Degree Program at Inti as well, he's majoring in engineering. But you know for me actually, Ivy League isn't really my aim but if can get in that would be good, because one thing I didn't tell you is that, I actually already taken Diploma in Mass Communication at KDU College since late 2006 and is finishing that soon already, I only thought about studying in US during my last semester doh.gif and now I have doubts whether the US universities recognize my KDU Diploma or not because on the KDU website it's stated that It's recognize by UK and Aus unis, but no mention of US unis, my lecturers doesn't seem to mention about problems transferring to a US uni except that they say not many ppl do it because of the visa application and stuff. When I check US unis website, they never say anything about accepting diploma, but only International Baccaulerate Diploma, don't know what is that, might be diploma as well, because I saw in the brochure of the Aus uni that my course is twinning with, they listed International Baccaulerate as well.

I suddenly plan to go US because US has a good media industry for my career in mass comm, but now I'm already 1 semester left so there's not really much I can do except to finish it and my plan is that if the US unis recognize my KDU Diploma, I submit my diploma results to get into the need blind universities and try to get some loans for extra funding ( i don't mind paying back the loan, cuz US money bigger than ours Lol) but the problem is that I am really afraid that even if they recognize my diploma, my CGPA is not very good because I was playing around abit during the mid of my course because at that time I never thought of having the need to go overseas until I realize the media industry in Msia is quite small for mass comm graduates doh.gif hard to get a good future. Now my cgpa drop to like 3.1 like that doh.gif , i never fail anything, just that got like one D, and three C+. Currently I'm retaking the subject I got D to improve my cgpa and trying to figure out whether it is worth it or not to retake the other three subject that I got Cs and whether that would be sufficient to boost my CGPA back to like at least 3.5. My cocuriculum in college is quite good compared to other students here that got 3.7 cgpa with no cocuriculum Lol (most ppl here just study), but then its not great la, I join clubs, have positions, join some college competition, but then not a state athlete or anything la. The advisor in HELP uni seems to think that US unis won't recognize my diploma though.

How do you know that the need blind universities won't accept ADP transfer credits? even if you study 2 years here? Your lecturer/ advisor told u is it? that means no ADP students can transfer to need blind unis la?

Btw, u sure A levels can get in US unis? I don't mind taking A levels tho, cuz A levels is just one year right? and then can apply as freshmen?
Where is the best college/uni for A levels here? and how much the fees are usually for a levels?
What scares me about A levels is science. Cause its been a like 3 years since I actually studied any science since I took Diploma in Mass Comm, forgot everything that I learn in Biology, Chemistry and Physics already Lol. I realize that A levels have many courses, which one u think i should take ar? Cause I'm more to arts. I don't mind a little bit of science, but too much science might not be good for me, because my science in school last time not that good, unless in A levels the science subjects taught are new topics and new syllabus and most doesn't require any skills learned thru secondary school then can la, can catch up. Maths scares me a little bit as well. I can do, just that if requires some memories of high school syllabus then thats a problem. doh.gif

This post has been edited by Iliveunderwater: Nov 12 2008, 06:02 AM
Iliveunderwater
post Nov 12 2008, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(Jyou @ Nov 12 2008, 09:28 AM)
Iliveunderwater:

Yes, Aup = ADP, Inti calls it AUP (American University Programme)

You should check with your college advisers whether any US universities accept KDU's diploma, I think its possible but I don't think need-blind universities accept them (I notice they prefer students entering as freshman)
Check whether any of your seniors have tried applying to US with the diploma.

The thing is need-blind universities are usually the crème de la crème, they're among the best universities US offers, they are need blind because they're filthy rich with their enormous endowment funds

Most are partial towards students entering as freshman, some accept transfers from universities they deem their equal. I highly doubt they would accept diplomas.

Going to US using your diploma is possible I think just that, universities that accept your dip usually aren't need-blind.
You went to HELP?
Other alternatives are transferring your diploma credits to ADP. But not advisable because you're aiming for need-blind institutes.

Need blind universities do not accept AUP credits, I remember someone transferring to Cornell, but Cornell isn't need blind full aid although its an Ivy so no they do not accept credits from us.
However I have heard of students combining AUP + SATs I & II to apply, so I'm not sure really, but one thing for sure AUP on its own will not get you to need-blind universities.

A levels + SATs I & II will get you there, or STPM + SATs I & II or even IB with both SATs, these will get you there.
A levels is 1.5 years if I'm not mistaken. There are other subjects like Law, Business Studies, Economics, whatever suits your fancy.
You know you really have to work hard if you want to take this route, you've been warn...
But you've already done your diploma...
Lol you're in a rather tight spot there.
How much is your budget?
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Lol you're right Jyou, I am indeed in a rather tight spot right now. But i seriously do not mind at all to work hard for 1.5 years. I could probably take law or business studies, I prefer to learn facts more than theory. In KDU for mass comm we learn a lot of theory. My budget, you mean for the a level? I was actually thinking about loan for that. Where is good for A level? (I really can't stand lousy lecturers anymore, hard to score with their crappy teaching, can't understand) I think I need to explain to my parents about me wanting to take A level to see if they can help. I don't mind loan because I plan to work in the US after I graduate there, US money bigger and you also get more pay than Malaysia, so paying my A level loan won't be a problem, RM20k for the whole course is rather small if compared to the US unis fees. What most important is that it can get me into the need-blind unis, so that after I graduate in US, what I need to pay back is only my A level loan, cuz I'm looking for the Unis that meet 100% of need as well, most need blind and need based do. But i'm sure if I score well for A levels I can get some type of scholarship as well right. If I do A levels and score well, it can overshadow my spm results right?

About my KDU Diploma, right now I'm email-ing the need blind unis to see if they recognize the KDU Diploma or not. But somehow, I have a feeling that they don't though, because of the advance standing transfer thing. The UK and Aus recognize KDU Diploma as an advance standing certificate where KDU students can jump straight to second year for degree in universities because it is done from agreement between the UK and Aus unis with KDU College, but in US, no agreement, how to transfer. The difference between freshmen and transfer is not much from what I checked at those need blind uni websites. Except Freshmen are more honored, and some unis don't give financial aid for transfer but they do give it for freshmen, I can get more options if I enter as freshmen.

I found out that KDU only has one partner university in the US, which is the south minnesota state university, it is need-based if im not mistaken, but the thing is, if only 1 uni that recognize KDU Diploma, is not worth it for me to try and wait and apply, cuz my CGPA is like cannot be saved anymore also Lol, when I retake subjects, It will take time, and time is money, so not worth it also cuz especially when some unis don't honor repeated subjects taken for better grades. if get rejected for financial aid, then hard already, doh.gif I went to HELP to enquire about the ADP Program there, they say my diploma is not recognized. I will try to ask my advisor in KDU, but somehow I have a feeling what ur saying is right, only the normal uni will accept my diploma, i really have no money for that, not to mention my cgpa again doh.gif .

I was wondering if I can use my KDU Diploma to apply for any type of loan/scholarship to do A level...cuz its like applying to go back to pre-u lol. blink.gif

Jyou, can u PM me your msn or yahoo messenger? thanks

This post has been edited by Iliveunderwater: Nov 13 2008, 08:08 AM

 

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