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So the Law of God is not justified?

If so what for, for us to abide in it if it doesnt make sense?

As explained in Post #408.

The Purpose of the Law was designed to show up sin in us.
The More you try to fulfill it, the more you'll end, unable to keep it.

The Bible calls it a Ministry of death.

And Because there is Sin, There is Judgement in the Old Testament.
Man had to pay the price for every Sin committed.

God is a Holy God. He will not let sin go unpunished.
This is a given, no need to argue, Even by Today's standard we want Wrong Doers to be punished by the court of Law. Thieves, Robbers, Songlap etc.


That is why There is such a mess in the OT. You know why?

Because Man asked for it.

So when people quote the OT, saying "see there's so much killing in the OT, Murdering, your God is a killing God..... They don't understand the context of the whole Story, why things happened the way it happened in the OT.

For the longest time, opponent of Christians always uses the OT to try and discredit Christianity. Today I can tell you, that is debunked.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 11 2015, 12:48 PM

Parameswara is a Hindu when he founded melaka. And he embrace Islam. Why no one question whether Hindu exist b4 Islam. Simply because ignorance and unwilling to accept the fact.

So GOD needs to kill in order to tell us what is sin? Must HE kill? If killing is bad, then simply GOD is not a good GOD to have resort to killing innocent people.

By Today's standard Do you yourself allow Wrong Doers go scott free unpunished?

That is what it means to be justified by the Law.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 11 2015, 01:06 PM

hey bro, no need to explain to him lah

obviously he is not a believer as he trying to justifying his so called faith with logic and science. A truly reborn man will not think that bible or part of bible make not sense.

It's alright bro.

The comforter is at work, not me.

So GOD kills. Does HE need punishment or the GOD card comes to play?

Did you read my question?

And did you answer my question?

That is the Answer.

Wrong Doers are punished and judged according the Law.

If you can agree that by today's standard, criminals need to be judged and punished by courts of Law and yet backs away God shouldn't judge and punish Sin, then you jeapordize your own reasoning. You contradict your own standing.

My stand is this nobody should be killed nor murdered as punishment.

So by killing innocent people GOD make the world a better place? Err, no.

And i dont contradict my stance. I'm assuming the punishment you are referring to is death.

This post has been edited by AthrunIJ: Jul 11 2015, 01:24 PM

How do you know who is innocent and who is not?

Define your innocent.
As per the bible we all are not innocent as sin has permeate into all of us.

Also, you do acknowledge that GOD need to kill as punishment. Which i do not agree with, since HE is GOD, he has other ways than to kill.

Aiyoo still need to talk about this meh? Y cannot let this issue lay to rest? Last time human not civilized so they conquer conquer using religion lor, but now humans should be civilized and talk less about religion.

And honestly, the country borders after world war 2 is very fair. Muslims got land non Muslims also got land. Why still not happy? Want to go world war 3 only happy arrrr?????

There you go. Contradicting yourself. That's why I say sometime people are in denial and don't know what they're saying.

You agree on one hand All Have Sin as it has permeated into all of us, I see that you don't deny that Wrong Doers should be punished and judged according the Law, and yet can do a U Turn saying Why God need to punish Sin, there must be some other way.



It's hard to explain to someone who don't have a proper grasp of things and don't know where he stands in his own opinion.

BTW, you should know, there's no such thing as God killing without reason. God doesn't do that. The right term to use is God Punishes Sin.

BTW to answer your last line, He did. The answer is the Cross, Jesus Christ.


PS: I'll be back later. gtg.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 11 2015, 01:59 PM

Did i said sin should not be punish? I only state that death as a punishment is wrong. I'm in no way contradicting myself.

That is why i ask you to define innocent in the eye of the GOD or Human.

Go read the bible. GOD kill the first born because of pharaoh which HE hardens his(pharaoh) heart? Stupid reason to be honest. He can just soften pharaoh hearts and let the people go but no one lead to the other then death.

And HE needs how many? 1000 of years to think of how to sacrifice HIS son? Sacrifice?

I'm done by the way deviated from the topic. Bible as a literature is good but to follow it a resounding NO. Some are not right in the Bible. Best of all is to follow GOD rather than the Bible which is written by many authors.

This post has been edited by AthrunIJ: Jul 11 2015, 02:52 PM

MALACCA (1515)


Das Lendas da India de Gaspar Corriea






Ini adalah gambaran Bandar Melaka 4 tahun setelah ia jatuh ke tangan Portugis. Oleh kerana itu lukisan ini adalah gambaran terdekat kota atau bandar Melaka sebelum ia jatuh ke tangan penjajah. Kubu Afamosa pada waktu itu masih lagi dalam bentuk yang agak ringkas seperti yang kita dapat lihat. Apa yang menarik ialah di puncak menara di kubu tersebut ternampak seolah-olah sebuah kubah kecil. Adakah ini bermakna menara dalam kubu A Famosa tersebut sebenarnya adalah menara Masjid Agung Melaka yang diguna semula oleh Portugis sebagai menara kawalan ?

Catatan Portugis sendiri menyebut yang mereka menggunakan bahan-bahan dari punggaran Masjid dan kuburan diraja Melaka untuk membina Kota A Famosa atau Kota Santiago tersebut. Berkemungkinan kota Portugis tersebut ditambah dan diperbaki daripada kota yang telah sedia ada yang diperbuat dari mampatan tanah dan batu.

Apa yang pasti bandar ini kelihatan padat dan penuh dengan pelbagai bentuk bangunan. Ianya menepati diskripsi bandar Melaka seperti yang tercatat dalam Sejarah Melayu iaitu sebuah bandar yang tidak berputusan dengan rumah dan kedai.


- Al Semantani Jones -



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