Dah dah,
Both religion did spread their Gospel through sword (Whether you like it or not) and word.
Can end dah......
MOE: Portuguese invading Melaka were Crusaders
MOE: Portuguese invading Melaka were Crusaders
|
|
Jul 11 2015, 08:49 AM
Return to original view | Post
#1
|
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
Senior Member
2,992 posts Joined: Feb 2015 |
Dah dah,
Both religion did spread their Gospel through sword (Whether you like it or not) and word. Can end dah...... |
|
|
Jul 11 2015, 09:42 AM
Return to original view | Post
#2
|
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
Senior Member
2,992 posts Joined: Feb 2015 |
QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 11 2015, 08:55 AM) Which really does not make sense. Bible is full of weird stuffs anyways. To follow just one book is a no no even it is claimed to be written by GOD.It's like this: 1 John 1:6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. We cannot spread the Gospel by the sword because it contradicts. YES the Crusade did happened but if pit against the tenet of our Faith, it is wrong on all account. What then is actually the Crusade? It's Political more than anything in nature. To say that the Crusade is a Christian Doctrine hold no merit as I have explained quite long winded in the previous page. (I'm a christian by the way, open minded christian to say the least and yes i have read the bible and most of it doesnt make sense) It is Political and to spread the gospel. The end even if it is against the Bible. If it is againt the Bible they wont even start the crusade which already states to love thy neighbor and killing is wrong. QUOTE(allanlee89 @ Jul 11 2015, 08:55 AM) Yes, but bible never ask follower to spread thru sword. If u refer to old testament, when they go to war, they win not cuz of their own strength, but by miracle, no one can deny this. So? It doesnt changed the fact that the gospel did spread through the sword.This post has been edited by AthrunIJ: Jul 11 2015, 09:51 AM |
|
|
Jul 11 2015, 10:03 AM
Return to original view | Post
#3
|
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
Senior Member
2,992 posts Joined: Feb 2015 |
QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 11 2015, 09:59 AM) That's because The Bible is not a normal Book like any other Human Authored Book. Err, dont need to. Just ask people with Holy spirit for their interpretation of the bible and all the same doesnt answer the question rather most of the time just ask you to have faith.It is not dead wall of text. It is living Spirit. You cannot interpret it, using Human reasonings. You need to Spirit of God to help you understand. John 6:63 (KJV) - It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Hebrews 4:12 (NIV) - For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. John 1:1 (NIV) - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. In Summary, they are Living Words. The word of God = God himself. As a Christian, did you invite the Holy Spirit? Else the Bible will never make sense to you unless you Ask the HS to guide you either that or you ask Brothers who have given and understands the revelation of the word of God. Also, if the Bible is to be understood by people and it doesnt make sense to people. What kind of book would that be (Book of riddles)? This post has been edited by AthrunIJ: Jul 11 2015, 10:04 AM |
|
|
Jul 11 2015, 10:36 AM
Return to original view | Post
#4
|
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
Senior Member
2,992 posts Joined: Feb 2015 |
QUOTE(allanlee89 @ Jul 11 2015, 10:19 AM) god create this world, even einstein/hawking oso cnt fully undestnd the whole universe, u cant expect normal human to fully undrstnd the mystery of god. No matter how deep is the meaning of bible, it all boils down to following the 10 commandment, extra stuff in bible juz fyi aka extra knowledge, faham? What you believe is what you believe buddy. I prefer logic and reasoning. Reading the bible was the time where it enlightens me that most of it makes no sense. |
|
|
Jul 11 2015, 10:53 AM
Return to original view | Post
#5
|
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
Senior Member
2,992 posts Joined: Feb 2015 |
QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 11 2015, 10:46 AM) A Christian is one who has the Spirit of God residing in Him, One who has Faith, Follows and believes in Jesus as God and Messiah. Simply seeking answers. Like you everybody thinks i'm there to argue and to win. I also been there done that long ago buddy.Just because you go to Church or read the Bible, that does not make you a Christian. Earlier you mentioned that you're a Christian And by the same token you criticize something you don't understand. I mean if you're here to learn then learn, if you're here just to win argument, you can take it, I'm not interested. Been there, done it for too long. I do believe that there is a creator until proven otherwise. But there is some stuff in the bible is wrong. I believe in the good deed and good things that Jesus teaches but not some of the things that is in the bible. |
|
|
Jul 11 2015, 11:14 AM
Return to original view | Post
#6
|
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
Senior Member
2,992 posts Joined: Feb 2015 |
QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 11 2015, 10:57 AM) I'm sure most of that typical disagreement lies in the OT, something I've explained quite repeated in this forum in Post #377. There are quite a number of wrong things yet the only think you can think of is the war? Yes, the war is one of them and GOD with his hand aided the war which is wrong (Love thy neighbor) unless you play the GOD card.Here's the excerpt. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Highlighted Large in Bold. |
|
|
Jul 11 2015, 12:15 PM
Return to original view | Post
#7
|
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
Senior Member
2,992 posts Joined: Feb 2015 |
|
|
|
Jul 11 2015, 12:57 PM
Return to original view | Post
#8
|
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
Senior Member
2,992 posts Joined: Feb 2015 |
QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 11 2015, 12:46 PM) As explained in Post #408. So GOD needs to kill in order to tell us what is sin? Must HE kill? If killing is bad, then simply GOD is not a good GOD to have resort to killing innocent people.The Purpose of the Law was designed to show up sin in us. The More you try to fulfill it, the more you'll end, unable to keep it. The Bible calls it a Ministry of death. And Because there is Sin, There is Judgement in the Old Testament. Man had to pay the price for every Sin committed. God is a Holy God. He will not let sin go unpunished. This is a given, no need to argue, Even by Today's standard we want Wrong Doers to be punished by the court of Law. Thieves, Robbers, Songlap etc. That is why There is such a mess in the OT. You know why? Because Man asked for it. So when people quote the OT, saying "see there's so much killing in the OT, Murdering, your God is a killing God..... They don't understand the context of the whole Story, why things happened the way it happened in the OT. For the longest time, opponent of Christians always uses the OT to try and discredit Christianity. Today I can tell you, that is debunked. |
|
|
Jul 11 2015, 01:11 PM
Return to original view | Post
#9
|
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
Senior Member
2,992 posts Joined: Feb 2015 |
|
|
|
Jul 11 2015, 01:16 PM
Return to original view | Post
#10
|
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
Senior Member
2,992 posts Joined: Feb 2015 |
|
|
|
Jul 11 2015, 01:24 PM
Return to original view | Post
#11
|
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
Senior Member
2,992 posts Joined: Feb 2015 |
QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 11 2015, 01:18 PM) That is the Answer. My stand is this nobody should be killed nor murdered as punishment.Wrong Doers are punished and judged according the Law. If you can agree that by today's standard, criminals need to be judged and punished by courts of Law and yet backs away God shouldn't judge and punish Sin, then you jeapordize your own reasoning. You contradict your own standing. So by killing innocent people GOD make the world a better place? Err, no. And i dont contradict my stance. I'm assuming the punishment you are referring to is death. This post has been edited by AthrunIJ: Jul 11 2015, 01:24 PM |
|
|
Jul 11 2015, 01:46 PM
Return to original view | Post
#12
|
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
Senior Member
2,992 posts Joined: Feb 2015 |
QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 11 2015, 01:33 PM) Define your innocent. As per the bible we all are not innocent as sin has permeate into all of us. Also, you do acknowledge that GOD need to kill as punishment. Which i do not agree with, since HE is GOD, he has other ways than to kill. |
|
|
Jul 11 2015, 02:02 PM
Return to original view | Post
#13
|
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
Senior Member
2,992 posts Joined: Feb 2015 |
QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 11 2015, 01:55 PM) There you go. Contradicting yourself. That's why I say sometime people are in denial and don't know what they're saying. Did i said sin should not be punish? I only state that death as a punishment is wrong. I'm in no way contradicting myself.You agree on one hand All Have Sin as it has permeated into all of us, I see that you don't deny that Wrong Doers should be punished and judged according the Law, and yet can do a U Turn saying Why God need to punish Sin, there must be some other way. It's hard to explain to someone who don't have a proper grasp of things and don't know where he stands in his own opinion. BTW, you should know, there's no such thing as God killing without reason. God doesn't do that. The right term to use is God Punishes Sin. BTW to answer your last line, He did. The answer is the Cross, Jesus Christ. PS: I'll be back later. gtg. That is why i ask you to define innocent in the eye of the GOD or Human. Go read the bible. GOD kill the first born because of pharaoh which HE hardens his(pharaoh) heart? Stupid reason to be honest. He can just soften pharaoh hearts and let the people go but no one lead to the other then death. And HE needs how many? 1000 of years to think of how to sacrifice HIS son? Sacrifice? I'm done by the way deviated from the topic. Bible as a literature is good but to follow it a resounding NO. Some are not right in the Bible. Best of all is to follow GOD rather than the Bible which is written by many authors. This post has been edited by AthrunIJ: Jul 11 2015, 02:52 PM |
|
|
Jul 11 2015, 11:03 PM
Return to original view | Post
#14
|
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
Senior Member
2,992 posts Joined: Feb 2015 |
QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 11 2015, 09:53 PM) Well IMO, God has that right to give and take away Life since after all He is the Owner of it all. Yea, plan is plan. Execution is another plus i already have my answer and GOD harden the heart of the pharoah so what if GOD give him more than enough warning? GOD is the one dilly dally.I'm of the opinion, God knows better than most of us in every situation and thus when He metes out Judgement it is by his Omniscience knowledge. We Human are limited in many ways and do not know the real situation. We may assume but may not be right. God gave the pharaoh more than enough, warnings/signs to let his people go. The Pharaoh should have let go by the first few warnings but relented. I mean anyone could see the first few plagues already indicate, this is not a small matter. And it's not just ordinary plague. The Killing of the first born is the final judgement, the only way Pharaoh would relent. I'm sure you won't think it's stupid if God is the one protecting you against enemies more powerful than you. No, He already thought of Sacrificing Jesus in the very first chapter of Genesis itself. God provided the Salvation Plan immediately the moment after Adam sinned. As to why it took so long for Jesus to arrive? God gave the Law in the OT to cause Man to come to the end of himself. God already knew Man can be terribly stubborn to admit it. It's just that Man has to realize it himself before admitting. And the pride of Man sometime don't want to admit defeat. God gave Man more than 1000 years and say enough is enough and sent Jesus at the right time. Hypocritical? Aren't you the one who is picking and choosing Bible verses to suit your own agenda? I did explain everything in context, didn't I? I did show you the entire passage linking to each other while you only pick certain verse and leave out the rest, did you not? And you dare to accuse intellectual dishonesty to me? Amazing. Some people don't know malu one hor? There is one problem though. I quoted that the reason why there is so much problem in the OT is due to the Vanity of Man in their own self righteousness to be justified by the law of God. Your religion still hinges on the Law of God to be justified, I don't see How you can equate that Islam is going through same thing we did ages ago because you have nothing but the Laws of God pitted against you. And this is my last reply. Since i got my answer already. Peace out. Also, dont get the wrong idea that i'm insulting you or anything. Just seeking answer. Peace buddy. |
| Bump Topic Add ReplyOptions New Topic |
| Change to: | 0.0168sec
0.35
7 queries
GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 15th December 2025 - 05:59 AM |