QUOTE(allanlee89 @ Jul 11 2015, 09:07 AM)
WTF, who go report my reply. come out u punk, fight me in real world, i m waiting u. i bet u cant even lift 40kg...ptuih
Lol, must be culiban at work
MOE: Portuguese invading Melaka were Crusaders
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Jul 11 2015, 09:34 AM
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The entire Islamdom can thank Genghis Khan for the Bubonic plague & diversion. Europe was amassing a bigger contingent to takeover the holy land.
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Jul 11 2015, 09:38 AM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 11 2015, 08:55 AM) Which really does not make sense. Religion was the torch bearer for enlightenment before proper schools were formed. Religious people are dumb in general, & are easily persuaded or be tempted with rewards from here or the afterlife. Christians got over that centuries ago.It's like this: 1 John 1:6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. We cannot spread the Gospel by the sword because it contradicts. YES the Crusade did happened but if pit against the tenet of our Faith, it is wrong on all account. What then is actually the Crusade? It's Political more than anything in nature. To say that the Crusade is a Christian Doctrine hold no merit as I have explained quite long winded in the previous page. |
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 11 2015, 08:55 AM) Which really does not make sense. Bible is full of weird stuffs anyways. To follow just one book is a no no even it is claimed to be written by GOD.It's like this: 1 John 1:6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. We cannot spread the Gospel by the sword because it contradicts. YES the Crusade did happened but if pit against the tenet of our Faith, it is wrong on all account. What then is actually the Crusade? It's Political more than anything in nature. To say that the Crusade is a Christian Doctrine hold no merit as I have explained quite long winded in the previous page. (I'm a christian by the way, open minded christian to say the least and yes i have read the bible and most of it doesnt make sense) It is Political and to spread the gospel. The end even if it is against the Bible. If it is againt the Bible they wont even start the crusade which already states to love thy neighbor and killing is wrong. QUOTE(allanlee89 @ Jul 11 2015, 08:55 AM) Yes, but bible never ask follower to spread thru sword. If u refer to old testament, when they go to war, they win not cuz of their own strength, but by miracle, no one can deny this. So? It doesnt changed the fact that the gospel did spread through the sword.This post has been edited by AthrunIJ: Jul 11 2015, 09:51 AM |
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Jul 11 2015, 09:48 AM
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talk kok..
melacca is org cina punya.. |
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QUOTE(olay biscuit barrel @ Jul 11 2015, 09:38 AM) Religion was the torch bearer for enlightenment before proper schools were formed. Religious people are dumb in general, & are easily persuaded or be tempted with rewards from here or the afterlife. Christians got over that centuries ago. That's why it wasn't an accident the disciples of Christ was chosen to bear witness of the teaching of Christ. Plural.God does not give revelation confined to only 1 person to reveal his truth. Because that would mean the risk of either being con all the way or it's the truth all the way. 1 John 1:1 (NIV) - That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. We got enlightened because God still speaks to his children until today concerning his word. |
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Prof khoo..... Then must be 101% correct
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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Jul 11 2015, 09:42 AM) Bible is full of weird stuffs anyways. To follow just one book is a no no even it is claimed to be written by GOD. That's because The Bible is not a normal Book like any other Human Authored Book.(I'm a christian by the way, open minded christian to say the least and yes i have read the bible and most of it doesnt make sense) It is Political and to spread the gospel. The end even if it is against the Bible. If it is againt the Bible they wont even start the crusade which already states to love thy neighbor and killing is wrong. So? It doesnt changed the fact that the gospel did spread through the sword. It is not dead wall of text. It is living Spirit. You cannot interpret it, using Human reasonings. You need to Spirit of God to help you understand. John 6:63 (KJV) - It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Hebrews 4:12 (NIV) - For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. John 1:1 (NIV) - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. In Summary, they are Living Words. The word of God = God himself. As a Christian, did you invite the Holy Spirit? Else the Bible will never make sense to you unless you Ask the HS to guide you either that or you ask Brothers who have given and understands the revelation of the word of God. |
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 11 2015, 09:59 AM) That's because The Bible is not a normal Book like any other Human Authored Book. Err, dont need to. Just ask people with Holy spirit for their interpretation of the bible and all the same doesnt answer the question rather most of the time just ask you to have faith.It is not dead wall of text. It is living Spirit. You cannot interpret it, using Human reasonings. You need to Spirit of God to help you understand. John 6:63 (KJV) - It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Hebrews 4:12 (NIV) - For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. John 1:1 (NIV) - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. In Summary, they are Living Words. The word of God = God himself. As a Christian, did you invite the Holy Spirit? Else the Bible will never make sense to you unless you Ask the HS to guide you either that or you ask Brothers who have given and understands the revelation of the word of God. Also, if the Bible is to be understood by people and it doesnt make sense to people. What kind of book would that be (Book of riddles)? This post has been edited by AthrunIJ: Jul 11 2015, 10:04 AM |
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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Jul 11 2015, 09:42 AM) Bible is full of weird stuffs anyways. To follow just one book is a no no even it is claimed to be written by GOD. nope, when ang moh come, was to plunge wealth, tats what dey care, itu priest cuma ikut belakang je. But isis, tengok permainan their, everydy war in the name of god(I'm a christian by the way, open minded christian to say the least and yes i have read the bible and most of it doesnt make sense) It is Political and to spread the gospel. The end even if it is against the Bible. If it is againt the Bible they wont even start the crusade which already states to love thy neighbor and killing is wrong. So? It doesnt changed the fact that the gospel did spread through the sword. |
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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Jul 11 2015, 10:03 AM) Err, dont need to. Just ask people with Holy spirit for their interpretation of the bible and all the same doesnt answer the question rather most of the time just ask you to have faith. god create this world, even einstein/hawking oso cnt fully undestnd the whole universe, u cant expect normal human to fully undrstnd the mystery of god. No matter how deep is the meaning of bible, it all boils down to following the 10 commandment, extra stuff in bible juz fyi aka extra knowledge, faham?Also, if the Bible is to be understood by people and it doesnt make sense to people. What kind of book would that be (Book of riddles)? |
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QUOTE(allanlee89 @ Jul 11 2015, 10:19 AM) god create this world, even einstein/hawking oso cnt fully undestnd the whole universe, u cant expect normal human to fully undrstnd the mystery of god. No matter how deep is the meaning of bible, it all boils down to following the 10 commandment, extra stuff in bible juz fyi aka extra knowledge, faham? What you believe is what you believe buddy. I prefer logic and reasoning. Reading the bible was the time where it enlightens me that most of it makes no sense. |
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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Jul 11 2015, 10:03 AM) Err, dont need to. Just ask people with Holy spirit for their interpretation of the bible and all the same doesnt answer the question rather most of the time just ask you to have faith. A Christian is one who has the Spirit of God residing in Him, One who has Faith, Follows and believes in Jesus as God and Messiah.Also, if the Bible is to be understood by people and it doesnt make sense to people. What kind of book would that be (Book of riddles)? Just because you go to Church or read the Bible, that does not make you a Christian. Earlier you mentioned that you're a Christian And by the same token you criticize something you don't understand. I mean if you're here to learn then learn, if you're here just to win argument, you can take it, I'm not interested. Been there, done it for too long. |
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 11 2015, 10:46 AM) A Christian is one who has the Spirit of God residing in Him, One who has Faith, Follows and believes in Jesus as God and Messiah. Simply seeking answers. Like you everybody thinks i'm there to argue and to win. I also been there done that long ago buddy.Just because you go to Church or read the Bible, that does not make you a Christian. Earlier you mentioned that you're a Christian And by the same token you criticize something you don't understand. I mean if you're here to learn then learn, if you're here just to win argument, you can take it, I'm not interested. Been there, done it for too long. I do believe that there is a creator until proven otherwise. But there is some stuff in the bible is wrong. I believe in the good deed and good things that Jesus teaches but not some of the things that is in the bible. |
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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Jul 11 2015, 10:53 AM) Simply seeking answers. Like you everybody thinks i'm there to argue and to win. I also been there done that long ago buddy. I'm sure most of that typical disagreement lies in the OT, something I've explained quite repeated in this forum in Post #377.I do believe that there is a creator until proven otherwise. But there is some stuff in the bible is wrong. I believe in the good deed and good things that Jesus teaches but not some of the things that is in the bible. Here's the excerpt. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Highlighted Large in Bold. This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 11 2015, 10:58 AM |
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 11 2015, 10:57 AM) I'm sure most of that typical disagreement lies in the OT, something I've explained quite repeated in this forum in Post #377. There are quite a number of wrong things yet the only think you can think of is the war? Yes, the war is one of them and GOD with his hand aided the war which is wrong (Love thy neighbor) unless you play the GOD card.Here's the excerpt. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Highlighted Large in Bold. |
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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Jul 11 2015, 11:14 AM) There are quite a number of wrong things yet the only think you can think of is the war? Yes, the war is one of them and GOD with his hand aided the war which is wrong (Love thy neighbor) unless you play the GOD card. Everything, not only war. This happens when Man wants the Law of God to be justified by. When the Focus is on self, all these problems manifest. |
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