Haha 4 me i will spend my entire money 2 the gf when upgrading cycle finish unfortunately no gf want 2 take my money even though i truly believe in "ada wang ada amoi" which doesnt work at all 2 my situation dang

This post has been edited by skylinelover: Aug 5 2015, 09:08 PM

Zero chances of any existing blocks working for Pascal. The fact that the PCBs will definitely be smaller and also the GPU + HBM dies being overall bigger, there's just no way for any existing block to be compatible for Pascal.

Yeah, one problem with GPU waterblocks is that it isn't compatible forever. More so in Malaysia where the WC community is quite puny, selling it off is also quite difficult. US and EU has a way larger market where even blocks back from the Fermi days can still be sold relatively easily.

guess your right lookin at this picture



to digress, apparently skylake cpu is
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/08/05/...ocking_review/2


by the way i tried to get my pc serviced at apes for water cooling. they helped me set it up the first time.

but on my second trip they held my pc for 2 weeks and did nothing with it. so i collected it back and nothing was done, was disappointing. you know any alternative places i can seek help

is a bit related because when pascal comes out, i'm gonna need help to fit in a new water block for gpu



random pic 980ti asus poseidon water cooled



water cooling options for pascal... either i get like a poseidon asus type, or a specialist block sold separately like from ekwb whichever cheapest. preferably copper this time around (instead of nickle/acetal i'm using atm )

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 6 2015, 02:29 PM

Or just stay with air cooling and turn the aircon to the max lol

agree with u..but some people like me, wanna tidy/pretty rig..and high performance cooler like nh-d15 will block the ram..even though air cooler performance per noise is great compare to CLC..
so the last resort water cooling solution

Haha. Devils canyon FTW. Skylake did not impress me.

Actually... there's more to the story than just avg fps and 10% higher numbers.
In a nut shell (since this isn't an Intel thread), Skylake > Devils Canyon/Haswell by a noticeable margin when it comes to min.fps and most importantly, frame latency.

It's even more significant if comparing Skylake to SB/IVB though. So... yeah, don't just look at the avg.fps and draw the conclusion.


*PS
Where's the Intel thread anyway?


*EDIT
For reference only:




See how frame hitching on i5 6600k is as good as an i7 4790k at lower clockspeeds? OC that thing mildly and wham! It's a clear noticeable difference!

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Aug 6 2015, 09:46 PM

ooo so the 20fps increase isn't really the full story ? ok i'll check that out ty.


*update

found a newer video



This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 6 2015, 10:00 PM

Hurm, not worth uprgrade, need to buy new mobo,cpu and ddr4. I think I will skip Pascal as well. Wait until HBM matured 1st. Maybe build new rig when pcie 4.0 release

well amd's fiji was using hbm1 which had a critical flaw. it was maxed at 4gb vram compared to current offerings like 980ti that had 6gb of gddr5 vram.

that said it was few titles that pushed vram usage, and even then most of the time it was for 1440p or higher resolutions.

but still it was a limitation.

hbm2 which is what pascal will be using will be either 8,16 or even 32gb. Either one will still be amazingly ample enough for just about anyone

also bandwidth will be 1tb vs the current 500 ish or so for hbm1.

So in my book i think that is more than mature worth me buying :} so i wonder, what improvement to it do you think is worth waiting for that on book seems more than sufficient to last for a long while more vram ? seems like even 8gb is good enuff. faster bandwidth speed ? Sure but by how much and is it really worth waiting on that ?


people also mentioned how 980 quickly is going to become obsolete by a large margin due to many factors pointed out about pascal's tech e.g.
1. hbm2 (smaller gpu cards, more memory bandwidth and bigger vram capacities)
2. nvlink (probably going to benefit multi gpu setups)
3. double the transistor count of a titan x and fiji amd (better gpu performance ?)
4. mixed precision (probably less of an affect for gamers)

basically i think this is going to be one of those times there is a giant leap in performance. volta was delayed for quite a long time and is scheduled for after pascal maybe 1 or 2 years after. i'm placing my bet the leap from pascal to volta won't be too huge.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 7 2015, 06:05 PM

I believe Pascal to Volta will be like Kepler to Maxwell. More improvements in performance-per-watt instead of just pure increase in rendering power.

But understand that in 3 years time, the landscape of developing games will be different than how it is now. Just like 3 years ago (and also the 3 years prior), developing games was different than it is today.

On the side note, Skylake is a sensible upgrade for SB users, not saying that SB isn't fast enough anymore because it still is. But I do believe that games in the next year+ will indeed start to be CPU-bound for SB users, it's already starting to actually. It's not going to be a large number of games that does that, but don't be surprised is all I'm saying.

Once again I'd like to remind everyone that you HAVE TO look at frame latency when factoring the performance difference between GPUs and CPUs. Avg. FPS simply DOES NOT tell the whole story. Avg.60fps is not really 60fps if you get erratic drops to low 40s for like half a second every 3 or 4 minutes of game time. People seem to forget this point.

Ya i kinda agree this hbm thing is really future tech. If u see benchmark between gtx 980ti/titan sli vs fury x cf, u will see fury x is more efficient in cf
I will wait until they refresh the skylake and pascal then i will consider to totally upgrade my rig

Fury x 4GB almost beat 980ti 6GB. I wonder what if Fury x 6GB will do Gonna save my money for future rig

Pascal refresh, PCIEx16 Gen 4, Skylake refresh, cheap DDR 4 and NVMe. Thats is the year I will upgrade the rig

This post has been edited by crash123: Aug 7 2015, 07:43 PM

ddr4 cheap ? hm... last i checked it wasn't. maybe it's changed ? but that said there are motherboards that will support ddr3 so can keep using old ram which is sufficiently good even for gaming.

i'm not really excited about pc ram unless it's hmc or xpoint

as for pciex16 even my older ivy bridge mobo had that




for me i use 1 pcie 3.0 x16 for my single gpu. and i guess the other can be used a pcie ssd (then again isn't m.sata ssd better ?)

anyway guess those multi gpu setups would need those extra pcie 3.0 slots for me think is sufficient with what i got atm.

lol u dont get the point that i want to make. I say, when Pascal refresh, PCIEx16 Gen 4, Skylake refresh, cheap DDR 4 and NVMe is release, that is the year i will upgrade my rig. Btw PCIEx16 Gen 4 is release next year or 2017

PCIE x16 Gen 3.0 = 8 GT/s bit rate, doubling the lane bandwidth compare to PCI Express 2.0
PCIE x16 Gen 4.0 = 16 GT/s bit rate , doubling the lane bandwidth compare to PCI Express 3.0

so in Gen4 u can tri sli and got same bandwith as PCIE x16 3.0

gen4 ? oo didn't notice that

so how much gt/s does the current 980ti pump out atm ?

oh nm found it for titanx
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/nvidia-gefor...view-33214.html

Texture Fillrate 192 GT/s

memory transfer rate 7 GT/s


so even gen 4 isn't going to be enough ?



so that nvlink 20 gt/s is needed even for single gpus ?

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Aug 7 2015, 09:29 PM

Faster transfer rate is more to multi gpu user. For single gpu user its will not give to much benefit in performance

read this article to learn more

This post has been edited by crash123: Aug 7 2015, 09:44 PM

will do tx

Lolz. Here since when bcum skylake toks. Anyway my next cycle of upgrading will be 4k gaming. That means 2017 and beyond. Monitor gpu and cpu all in 1 loot. Hahahaha.

This post has been edited by skylinelover: Aug 8 2015, 05:41 PM

some blockbuster titles based on nvidia gameworks

I'll rage quit if EA use Gameworks for FIFA...