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post Jul 9 2015, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(suadrif @ Jul 9 2015, 09:34 AM)
i see some of the NAV price has been dropping
is this a good sign for dumping money?
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Yes, provided you do the proper research. Aim for a good fund which has dropped 8% or more.

Invest using DCA or VCA for the next 6 months or so. Only do a lump sum investment if you have a high risk appetite. We don't know whether the "good" fund may drop another 10% in another month or so.

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post Jul 9 2015, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Jul 9 2015, 09:45 AM)
hmm.gif then post # 254 does not seems to apply as past, present and future are also "normal" because it is fluctuating.
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Post 254 is just my illustration on rational and irrational investor behaviour to market fluctuation.

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post Jul 9 2015, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jul 9 2015, 09:47 AM)
Yes, provided you do the proper research. Aim for a good fund which has dropped 8% or more.

Invest using DCA or VCA for the next 6 months or so. Only do a lump sum investment if you have a high risk appetite. We don't know whether the "good" fund may drop another 10% in another month or so.
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seems like the risk factor if way to high to dump money now
the thing is it's too uncertain in the next 2 years to even predict how the market would react

unless u have spare cash which you confident you would not need to touch for the next 5 years ....by all means go ahead

but if you still commitments lying around wishing to make some money it would be best not to ...
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jul 9 2015, 09:39 AM)
When Charlie Munger or Warren Buffett were asked how they think the market will perform for the next 6 months or 1 year, their answer was..."the market will fluctuate".

My 2 cents view. In theory, if the market goes down continuously for the next 10 years, nobody will invest in the stock market. Who would want to invest in a SURE LOSE game? Conversely, if the market goes up continuously for the next 10 years without a break, everyone will be lining up at the bank, Ah Long, chettiar for personal loans to invest in the stock market because it is a SURE WIN game.

Therefore we are experiencing a "normal" market now because it is fluctuating.
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hmm.gif YEs it is "normal" to fluctuates, but just how long will this down curve of this "Normal" market be before it start to rise as in the "normal' market that are 85% "played" by retail investors? rclxub.gif

"It's a stampede. And the problem of the market is that all the players move in the same direction, and are too emotional."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/08/...N0PI04Q20150708

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QUOTE(herzeleid @ Jul 9 2015, 09:52 AM)
seems like the risk factor if way to high to dump money now
the thing is it's too uncertain in the next 2 years to even predict how the market would react

unless u have spare cash which you confident you would not need to touch for the next 5 years ....by all means go ahead

but if you still commitments lying around wishing to make some money it would be best not to ...
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hmm.gif well, I think the above applies to ALL times...not just now
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post Jul 9 2015, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(herzeleid @ Jul 9 2015, 09:52 AM)
seems like the risk factor if way to high to dump money now
the thing is it's too uncertain in the next 2 years to even predict how the market would react

unless u have spare cash which you confident you would not need to touch for the next 5 years ....by all means go ahead

but if you still commitments lying around wishing to make some money it would be best not to ...
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My personal experience in investing in unit trusts:-

1. We invest in unit trusts using spare cash. We have back up emergency funds of at least 3-6 months. No bad debts e.g. credit card debts.

2. Long term investment horizon of at least 2-3 years. This will even out the market fluctuation.

3. We cannot time the market. Therefore we have to do DCA or VCA and do portfolio rebalancing from time to time.

If we cannot satisfy the above requirements, it is best to stay away from unit trust investments or any other investments for that matter. Unit trust investments is not a capital guaranteed get rich quick scheme. There are risks involved.

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Switched my greater China to CMF2.

Since I am just new to UT, I think I want to try with DCA.. hmm.gif
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post Jul 9 2015, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(ragu91 @ Jul 9 2015, 10:11 AM)
Switched my greater China to CMF2.

Since I am just new to UT, I think I want to try with DCA.. hmm.gif
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That is considered repurchase (sell) right?

What is your ROI?
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post Jul 9 2015, 10:15 AM

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Personally, i'll start nibbling on China stuff again after Shanghai Index goes another >=25%+/- down, making a total of 56%+ down from it's 52 weeks' highest closing.

Come on baby - FEAR! tongue.gif
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post Jul 9 2015, 10:17 AM

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Let's summon Algozen™ for some opinions at this period of volatility.

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post Jul 9 2015, 10:20 AM

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Hang Seng was down together with China for the past few days. This morning I am seeing green at this moment. I hope it's sustainable. sweat.gif
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post Jul 9 2015, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(ragu91 @ Jul 9 2015, 10:11 AM)
Switched my greater China to CMF2.

Since I am just new to UT, I think I want to try with DCA.. hmm.gif
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You used the wrong method. You should have intra switched your China fund into its equivalent bond fund. In this way, you earn credit points. Later when you switch back from the bond fund into your China fund, you incur ZERO sales charge.

Your current method of switching into CMF2 means you are SELLING your China fund. This means when you buy into the China fund again from CMF, you will incur the 2% sales charge again.

I think you owe me a cup of coffee.

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Those who attended FSM event at KL last weekend.

Any free gift, door gift or promo code?
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jul 9 2015, 09:20 AM)
Those who attended FSM event at KL last weekend.

Any free gift, door gift or promo code?
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I like the lucky draw ;D cmf 2000 whoohoo
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QUOTE(adamdacutie @ Jul 9 2015, 10:56 AM)
I like the lucky draw ;D cmf 2000  whoohoo
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Only if you're the lucky one!
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post Jul 9 2015, 10:58 AM

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@Labah-labah merah jambu & David... read my post Algozen™ for Jun'15

Basically my data was as of 31/5/2015 and I received it by 3rd week of June-15. My next fresh set of data will be for 30/6/2015 and I expect to get it by the final week of Jul-15.

I am not Bloomberg or CNNMoney... my info is not 24/7.

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post Jul 9 2015, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 9 2015, 10:15 AM)
Personally, i'll start nibbling on China stuff again after Shanghai Index goes another >=25%+/- down, making a total of 56%+ down from it's 52 weeks' highest closing.

Come on baby - FEAR! tongue.gif
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OT a bit

AirAsia tasty now? brows.gif
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post Jul 9 2015, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jul 9 2015, 09:27 AM)
Yeehah. Fasten your seat belt. By the end of this month, with the triple "disaster" of IMDB, China and Grexit, it is quite likely that a lot of our portfolio will turn RED and the ROI will turn negative.

Everything from Ponzi 1, Ponzi 2,  China funds to TA European Equity Fund will fall. In summary, it is the end of the world aka Armageddon.

As investors, I assume we have 4 options:-

(1)  Sell off everything and swear off unit trust forever. See other forums where "investors" have ranted that unit trusts are useless and "cheating" money.

(2) Stay put. Hibernate in a cave somewhere and wait for the storm to pass. It may take a few months or a few years for your unit trusts to recover if you made a one lump sum investment buying at the peak of the market.

(3) For new potential investors in FSM, wait for the "perfect" moment to buy the unit trusts at the lowest price and sell at the "highest" price later (i.e. market timing). Good luck and let me know if you succeed in doing this. I wish to call you sifu.

(4) Practice DCA and VCA for the next months or few years until thing stabilise. Then take profit or do portfolio rebalancing depending on when the markets rebound.
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for me I will do method (1), (3) & (4) together, if you had foresee that the more 'disaster' is coming, why not you sell some of your profit funds to at least lock-in some of your profit or keep as spare ammo and wait for the best moment aka 'disaster' time to make a lump sum in your comfortable range of your risk level. For the method 4, I do it since 2 years back to enjoy no upfront charges ma. I'm with FSM SG(The subscription date is the 8th of every month), only I will adjust the total amount with RSP based on market uptrend or down trend of the months. That's only what I do, maybe different from you guys.
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post Jul 9 2015, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jul 9 2015, 10:46 AM)
You used the wrong method. You should have intra switched your China fund into its equivalent bond fund. In this way, you earn credit points. Later when you switch back from the bond fund into your China fund, you incur ZERO sales charge.

Your current method of switching into CMF2 means you are SELLING your China fund. This means when you buy into the China fund again from CMF, you will incur the 2% sales charge again.

I think you owe me a cup of coffee.
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Certainly worth a cup of coffee !

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