FOr easy maintenance and high usage, AQUAPHOR Crystal Eco comes with 1 year warranty even for clogging (home usage only) not applicable for business
Dont think any brand is giving warranty on clogging except Aquaphor

Been tested in old condos with very bad water condition and without an outdoor filter, can last one year.

Lab tested with Permulalab which is a lab accredited by our local MOH, tested on drinking water quality and pass the test as shown and posted many times, i bliv u saw it

Tested and passed LGA european standards also posted the certificates and test result. U saw it as well.

TESTED in BOTH EUROPE AND MALAYSIA, IT IS SAFE TO DRINK




The way u reply and the words u use, it is more like a competitor trying to sabotage, that is why i asked members to read your previous posting and decide. Genuine customers asked politely and i reply nicely, but the way u post is like trying to condemn my product and not asking for the sake of gaining knowledge

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Oct 30 2017, 05:54 PM

Even ESPRING recommend to change yearly or follow capacity. From what i know majority water filter manufacturers recommend capacity or yearly because, even u dont use water, as long as the filter is activated (submerge in water) the performance of the carbon block will drop overtime. It is impossible for us to tell when exactly to change, clear water does not mean clean water. Example, when it is brand new, chlorine reduction 99%, after one year it is 90%, still very good but for the best quality, manufacturer recommend to change it. NSF suggest 50% chlorine reduction is already sufficient. We cant wait until our water to have smell only change, bt that time we are already drinking a lot of contaminated water without knowing. Why do we wanna drink the extra 40% chlorine even though it is safe, it is still a chemical.

After one year, it is not said that the cartridge will expire and your water is poisonous, it is still clean but not as clean as claimed. Hence, for optimum performance and the best water quality, better change. You may also continue using it at your own risk, i do have customers who change it 1.5 year once, i believe many customers would do so as well. I used to sell 3M DWS 1000 and it has an indicator meter, my customers reset it, never follow the indicator as they say is too costly to replace regularly (7 - 8 months reach capacity) . . . .

Talking about capacity, Panasonic alkaline with a small cartridge (half membrane and half carbon) claim to have 12,000L capacity. 3M CTM-01 a small single stage carbon block capacity 4000L. Why double stage 3M DWS 1000 only claim 2400L ? That is why i always explain, the capacity is just an estimation and not accurate, depending on your incoming water quality as well. Normal household of 3 - 4 ppl use not more than 4000L per year, hence i recommend to change yearly rather follow the 8000L capacity.If still worry and do not trust the recommended capacity, buy some basic water testing kit and test at home regularly, if within one year, the test is not acceptable, that means the filter is not good enough for you home and time to upgrade to a better filter. Note : those test kits can only test a few parameters and not very accurate to determine water is good quality or not, still recommend to change yearly even pass the simple test results

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Nov 2 2017, 12:13 PM


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Assume we drink 1.5L water a day (some people dont bring their own water to office)

Household of 6 ppl drinking consumption 6ppl x 1.5L x 365 days = 3285L
For cooking assuming cook everyday 2L x 365days = 730ml

Estimated usage per year = 3285 + 730 = 4015L.

So based on my estimation, household of 6ppl use about 4000L per year only. In fact, not every one drink 1.5L water from home. So, if you have a big family and worry and wanna be accurate, can always buy a meter to check on the usage and buy some test kit to test.

No indicator measure water quality, is either by a 1 year countdown timer or based on capacity. So, nothing is 100% accurate unless labtest.

Yes, espring have a chip and u can find lots of info on it but it does not measure the water quality. The warning to replace cartridge is based on 1 year or 5000L capacity.

So, if you wan to really monitor on the water usage, can buy a water meter. Some nowadays are so advanced, connected to home wifi and u can monitor with your phone. but cost $$$. Or just get a regular low meter less than RM 100

Actually i tried emailing NSF, no definite answer on the costing. From what i was told by aquaphor is estimated USD 30k. They need to pay for their air tickets, accommodation and other expenses, need to check a few times. As per the website given, $1,500 - 2000 depending on number and types of product. Hence, i guess $ 2000 is for a basic test may b NSF 42 only or some cheaper standard less parameters tested. Also mentioned "US Composting Council member" can get cheaper licensing fee. FOr US based companies they use NSF as it is well known there and cheaper to test. Brands like 3M and culligan have many water filtration products, hence getting all products tested and certified would be much cheaper compared to Aquaphor just pay NSF to test on CRYSTAL ECO one model.

To Aquaphor, in RUSSIA and other european countries (their main business) customers do recognize LGA and that is why they do not need NSF (no demand for it) Due to the request is only from MALAYSIA specifically lowyat forum only, it is not profitable for them to spend such amount of money. Why not think the other way why Espring and 3M do not have LGA? why they didtn apply for LGA?

Since NSF is well known and established in US definitely 3M & Espring do not need LGA. Samething Aquaphor do not need NSF. Just different certification like if u work in AUS accounting u need CPA they wont recognised your MIA (malaysia cert) but u work in malaysia some companies do recognize MIA.


Why no reply from AQUAPHOR because the person in charge went to Amsterdam for AQUATECH expo. Aquaphor is an international brand and yes it is from RUSSIA. They are not any china OEM brands, u can google and find them in many European countries.


For example Aquatech Amsterdam is not any ABC company can participate, you need to have certain quality and criteria to join this expo.


This post has been edited by zheilwane: Nov 3 2017, 10:49 PM

Espring selling price is around RM 3.2 - 3.8k i believe different seller offer different rate. Replacement should be around RM 550

Aquaphor selling price is RM 1699 sometimes can get lower. Replacement is RM 450

I have sample for both filters, i dont sell espring but i got their sample and several other brands as well for comparison. Some i purchase and some traded in with customers

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Nov 4 2017, 12:29 AM

googled, cant find anything on this brand. should be +- the same as other membrane filters.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Nov 4 2017, 05:02 PM

thanks bro, really good to have customers like to who always help me to comment Most customers after buying never read the forum....

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Nov 4 2017, 05:03 PM

As per website
https://www.nsf.org/newsroom_pdf/water_42_53_insert.pdf

NSF/ANSI 42 establishes the minimum
requirements for the certification of POU/POE filtration systems designed to reduce specific
aesthetic or non-health-related contaminants (chlorine, taste, odor and particulates) that
may be present in public or private drinking water.

NSF/ANSI 53 establishes the minimum requirements for the
certification of POU/POE filtration systems designed to reduce specific health-related
contaminants, such as Cryptosporidium, lead, volatile organic chemicals (VOCs) and
asbestos that may be present in public or private drinking water.

What is Carbon filtering?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_filtering
Active charcoal carbon filters are most effective at removing chlorine (NSF 42), sediment, volatile organic compounds (VOCs) (NSF53), taste and odor from water.

As long as it is a genuine carbon block filter, no matter it is small like culligan or your previous filter or big like Espring, they will also PASS NSF. Carbon Block in nature is able to remove Chlorine, taste & odor which satisfy the criteria of NSF 42 and VOCs which falls under NSF 53.
This answers your question why your previous filter is able to PASS NSF.

Here is a sample of a NSF performance data sheet, NSF requirement for chlorine reduction 50% only, they set the standard so LOW, no wonder basic carbon block filters can pass.

1) Chlorine
2) Nominal Particulate
3) Cyst
4) Lead
5) MTBE
6) Turbidity
7) VOC


Why there is a need for NSF? TO make sure manufacturers do not give poor quality filters that what they claim as NSF will periodically check on them. For example, there are factories that produces activated carbon but label them as carbon block, who knows what is inside the filter until we break it up. Or may be they give u other things are are cheap, nowadays people even make fake eggs and rice. THere could be fake carbon block as well. So NSF is here to prevent that from happening.



Aquaphor has LGA and also ISO9001 to certify both quality and management control. International brand with strict quality control, not like a regular OEM no name china company. I always recommend customers to break their cartridges after replacement and see how dirty the cartridge inside and also to verify are they getting what i claim and posted all the time.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Nov 6 2017, 09:01 PM

Unfortunately NSF do not rank the filters, hence if customers blindly rely on NSF 53 only and buy filters, they might not get the right one. For example, NSF 53, VOC requirement reduction 95% , some filters can do 99% but also ranked as pass only. If your water supply is heavily polluted like the HK case, a normal standard 53 filter can filter 95% VOC is you are using normal tap water but if it is heavily polluted, how long can it last? During the whole capacity is able to achieve 95%? impossible. That is why you need to consider the quality of the carbon block as well. The thickness, the density, the grade other technologies included in manufacturing the block.

head only RM 32 ? or the connection part only. If RM 32 for head, might as well buy the head + cartridge separately. sorry cant read mandarin

Water has chlorine, since AP902 is just cloth and does not remove chlorine only remove sediments upto 5 micron. SO, if used as sediment filtration, u can use it until it gets clogged, 2 or 3 years also no problem. If this is mainly used as a drinking filter then definitely it is nothing compared to the proper filters like DWS1000 or Aquaphor eco or Espring as AP902 is just a basic sediment filter upto 5 micron while drinking filters 0.5 micron and below

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Nov 7 2017, 11:47 AM

Micro Filtration = 0.1 micron
Ultra Filtration = 0.01 micron
RO Filtration = 0.001 micron

Aquaphor Crystal Eco is using Hollow Fibre membrane categorize as micro filtration (0.1 micron)

Our Multipore POE filter and many other membrane POE filter is the market are categorized as UF (ultrafiltration) 0.01 micron

So common asked question, if we install Multipore Membrane as POE (0.01 micron) wont our POU Aquaphor Eco (0.1micron) become redundant?
Answer is NO. UF can only filter sediments and bacteria down to 0.01 micron, but it is unable to filter VOCs, chemicals and etc etc such as chlorine. For those things, u need a good carbon filter. Even RO system with 0.0001 micron has to be coupled with a few carbon blocks to work properly.


This reminded me of something. NSF standard 42 and 53 do not cover BACTERIA. So, a basic carbon block filter like those RM 500+ do not have bacteria filtration membrane or uv light.



This post has been edited by zheilwane: Nov 7 2017, 12:03 PM

Buy something u feel comfortable. If u r not comfortable with Russian Products then get 3M since u already got their AP902. We have spoken on the phone, i know you prefer branded stuff and that is why u got AP902 in the first place (not recommended by me and actually against my recommendation but already purchased, too bad). So, i do not wan to push you to get something u do not trust. For a peace of mind as what forumers suggested, get 3M. DWS2500 is the best spec under 3M. I can pre-order and still getting below market price

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Nov 7 2017, 03:01 PM

as promised here is the reply from AQUAPHOR HQ on the endurance labtest of 8000L capacity. PDF file is original scanned copy in RUSSIAN, doc file is translated to english by google
https://www.sendspace.com/file/mssyhg



As per report in russian and translated version to english by google

THe endurance test was done by Institute of Toxicology FMBA of Russia (Accreditation certificate NoROSS RU.0001.51472b )
The tests were carried out in accordance with "GOST R 51871-2002"

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Nov 9 2017, 10:51 AM

as explained getting it is too costly and not feasible for Aquaphor which is European country not in USA. With LGA and huge demand in european countries, they do not need NSF.

So why other brands no LGA ? why no Sirim? why no WQA? impossible for you to register all unless demanded by projects or majority customers.

Facts/figures and also customer feedback from exsakai has already proven one point, with NSF does not make u a more superior filter. Even cheap and basic filters can pass NSF as stated. If if the requirements are high, basic filters shouldnt pass. The fact that even simple carbon block can pass, how can customers just rely on NSF. Every1 would just buy the cheapest filter with NSF, why manufacturers bother to produce better filters

Like an accountant already have CPA, do u think he wanna go take MIA & ACCA? NO unless required by company to get a high pay job.


FYI i have many customers switching from products with NSF to AQUAPHOR with LGA cert. Such as exsakai and Theused85, both commented they are happier after switching.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Nov 10 2017, 10:19 AM

thanks bro

Aquaphor applied NSF for DWM101 (RO system) because this is their main selling product in USA. To penetrate US market and due to high demand for NSF, that is why they invested to get NSF there. Malaysia alone figure is too low. If i wan to sell something with NSF just to satisfy the need for nsf, i could sell DWM101 but did i ?. This shows that I did not blindly choose my product , i do my own studying and choose what i think is best for my customers.

If you wan NSF i can sell DWM101 for RM 2k+, still much cheaper than espring, definitely cleaner than amway water since it is RO system. I could just save all the trouble and sell DWM101 to counter amway sellers here. Why would i waste so much time replying and explaining.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Nov 11 2017, 11:41 AM

Relax bro, over already. I can see your point here. Thanks for your effort in sharing. Yup, you are right, they are sellers like me. That is why i always suggest people to check on history post, then u can guess they are seller or genuine forumers.

Same here, topic closed. Unless real people trying to research on water filters and wanna ask questions, do post and lets learn together. Pointless to debate between sellers.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Nov 11 2017, 11:49 AM

No way u can argue saying RO water is not cleaner than a Carbon Block + UV light, this is not about AQUAPHOR DWM101 VS ESPRING, this is in general CARBON BLOCK CANNOT WIN RO in terms of water purity. RO can filter Fluoride which normal carbon block cant. U know it well since u r a seller. WHY STILL USE NSF n talk rubbish. U can fool and scare end users but u cant fool users who GOOGLE and read for info.

In my reply i did not say RO filter everything but u DID. RO filters almost everything but not everything, u know it, that is why u mentioned everything not me. With 0.0001 micron RO can even remove minerals, u dare use NSF to say Espring is cleaner? Unless it is not RO, if it is RO no way u can talk it out saying EPSRING IS CLEANER. u can only say EPSRING is healthier water as it contains mineral and not CLEANER. That is the reason i don wanna sell RO even it has NSF. Knowing your stuff and yet trying to deceive people is SO WRONG.