many people said IT people get less paid, hard to find jobs, this and that.....what is the reason actually? is it that hard to get a job for IT degree holders?

well from my opinion, most people who got IT degree cant get a job, or underpaid, the reason is quite simple, they simply lack of technical skills. many of them only have some basic knowledge which they learn in kolej or uni, beyond that, they are just a bunch of IT noobs. for example, many persuing IT degrees cant even troubleshoot a simple error in a computer. it is quite true when u do a survey around kolej or uni.

guys n gals, any comments and reasons regarding this topic is warmly welcome.

This post has been edited by edwuave: Nov 1 2006, 11:11 AM

quite true

I think we should related to our love university/collegues or intituition that provided us the skill.

I do agreed that when study they teach me nut of IT thing... concept, theory ...

IT is so common these days, just ask any forummers here they can even solve simple error problems in their own computer although they're not from IT background. IT companies are not just looking for IT graduates with general skills, but something more specific. I've seen many IT companies recruiting graduates for internships and training, so I personally think it's best to go for training to expose more to knowledge and skills required before securing for a job.

of coz that is the most basic knowledge, even a 15 year old can troubleshoot with the computer nowadays.
basically, all IT degree holders went through an internship b4 they complete their degree. but they still cant get a job after grad.

Perhaps the industry will cooperate will local uni to provide training of their students so that their job requirements are fullfilled when the the students graduated.

This can make sure that some IT grads can get jobs as soon as they finished their studies.

I don't know how it works in malaysia but when i was studying abroad IT courses allowed people to choose a course that requires little to no practical approach to IT, all you have to do is to write a bunch of essays, write some simple programs and that will allow you to get your paper... I think this approach sucks.. in Malaysia I don't htink much employers care if you can draw a damned impressive UML diagram but rather they area looking for practical expertise,

take me for example, I am not "great" in programming but I would say right now where I am, I trump my colleagues in terms of techincal and practical skills..

Here's the kicker though, as an employer, how would you know what kind of IT "grad" is the person you are about to hire? Sure you can make them takes tests and all that, but I think until the day where programming interviews involving you solving a problem on the spot with practical/techincal skills, the employers will never know...

I mean i've seen a few coming to apply for a job as a java programmer and I've seen some of the "absurd" answers they have given in the written test which shows me that they have clearly no knowledge or understandinng in even the most simple concepts of programming...and i do mean the most simple (like declaring variables.. no i'm not joking)

This post has been edited by tnsai: Nov 1 2006, 11:51 AM

Well, i think the income for Malaysian is usually not enough high for them to spend on IT. Most of IT hardware and software are import from other countries. If an American income got USD3000, he can spend for a Winfast 9750GX2 TDH for only around USD500. But a Malaysian need to spend for RM2000 to buy it. That is very expensive..

Somemore, a lot of local companies don't believe that IT can help their business. A lot of companies' Director think that IT department is always a wastage of company. They more prefer on their sales and production department.

I dont quite agree the fault is all at fresh grad side
i've had an internship with a MNC company. most of the old folks in there (high position dudes) arent from IT background, so the know less to shit bout IT stuff.
they think IT department(helpdesk) have the easiest job in company, n hire so few ppl in that particular department
n they pressure us on crazy deadlines.. pay peanuts ask for gold
n they mostly dont give chances to freshie, coz they wanna have minimal employee with max output.. so chances for freshie to learn with these kind of employer is small.

but thanx to latest technologies n younger generation in high rank positions, these kind of problem may lessen by time..
btw, n working in IT isnt juz about install n troubleshooting PC's. so no matter how good u are at uni, u'll still have lots to learn


This post has been edited by e-jump: Nov 1 2006, 12:22 PM

yeah i agree with all the comments here, i myself also underpaid eventhough im a degree holder in IT. Yes i do agree institution like college and university should provide the pratical thingy oso. but for college like mine only provide the theory, idea, and preparing student on working environment. The other thing is that as a student need to improve themselves in future, so they need to do self studies, self learning. No more spoon fed already...whahaa... even in the market right now, only prestige or loaded company will provide training only, for the other small, budget or so call "kedekut" company... its kinda hard to get training courses from them... mostly they will provide you the course and bind the employee on contract basis... which u gonna work like a dog...whahaha....

As an e-jump comments, u cant blame the old folks there.... u know each person came out to work will need 2 create career, so we as freshie dont think so will work 10 years as help desk only... so these old folks maybe... maybe only arr... good in management skills.... so we freshies need 2 be hardworking n learn all around skill like PR, management oso...

hey e-jump, i apologize if i offended u.....

ok i repeat again, that is just an example that i've mention. as i hv said earlier, even a 15 year old can troubleshoot pc,means he can work as IT person liao?
just like how tnsai said, some dont even know how to declare a variable in java.

nah, im juz pointing out that apart from freshies lack of experience, employer is also a major factor for lots of unemployed fresh grad these days.

Now where are you working e-jump?

it's not about currency, ability n so on.
i feel it's just plain passion vs laziness.
many think that a paper will land them a job, many went into IT coz "my frends are there". The situation I come across is, most of the time, ppl r just lack of the enthusiasm in IT.
IT is one of the fastest growing industries where generally u'll hv new stuffs everyday. hv to find and define a starting point to learn and continue to keep up with it whenever u can. this include deciding on ur path; system, network, software. but most of the time companies wouldn't invest on employee's skill trainings.

one of the other reason i find IT job sux is bcoz the market is overwhelmed by half tank full graduates that request for low pay n keep quiet when thrown into bad situations/bad benefits. i m not blaming these freshies. in fact i used to b one of them. i guess it quite depends on individual during the education stage.

This post has been edited by xenothrix: Nov 1 2006, 12:31 PM

im jobless.. LOL
nah, i juz graduated month ago (sept)..
im from EE background btw.
n still undecided to persue career under EE or IT
(been applying EE related jobs so far)

why u asked?

nothing.. just asking

"i feel it's just plain passion vs laziness."

Quite true... No stupid people but lazy people...

This post has been edited by hpteh: Nov 1 2006, 12:43 PM

Actually one thing. Working is different than studying.
I do agree that when i was in college the lecture really mean nothing. Only let us know the concept and don't have much pratical for it. We need to have more hands on of it in order to know more. Cause i think like programming...when u work on it then u will be able to learn more.

Another things is the employer. Most of them don't give chance to freshie. If no freshie then how to have senior. Everyone also start from zero. But now i think many small IT company not doing so well also.

Even if they have enough to spend on IT, they will buy
1) iPod
2) latest graphic card
3) latest sound card
4) 20" flat monitor

All of them do not add value to their resume. Result... still unemployable.

Hmm ... I suggest you do market/prospect research before choosing a job. In every field, there are areas where they pay high salary.
For IT, those areas are SAP and the likes.