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joeblow
post Apr 22 2021, 04:09 PM

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Hi guys,

Now it seems Panasonic models sold out. And seems all new aircons now all using R32. Can I check why I see most halls and master bedroom using cassette type aircon. I don't know why as the build in pipes all conventional type ones. Any special benefits to cassette type?

Also anyone selling Mitsubishi Inverter GR and LN series in this thread. Can PM me price for 1 and 1.5 HP, please tell me installation how much too. Thanks.
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post Apr 22 2021, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(joeblow @ Apr 22 2021, 04:09 PM)
Hi guys,

Now it seems Panasonic models sold out. And seems all new aircons now all using R32. Can I check why I see most halls and master bedroom using cassette type aircon. I don't know why as the build in pipes all conventional type ones. Any special benefits to cassette type?

Also anyone selling Mitsubishi Inverter GR and LN series in this thread. Can PM me price for 1 and 1.5 HP, please tell me installation how much too. Thanks.
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For casette its mainly for maxing out cooling performance as you can see their IDU is bigger as compared to split AC IDU.
Positioning wise smack in the center of the room also allows it at least 4 way coverage (or 360 for some of the newer cassette models) whereas wallflowers like split IDU only cool to one direction..
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post Apr 22 2021, 06:49 PM

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Anyone using sharp non inverter 1hp, so far so good?

planning to buy one
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post Apr 22 2021, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(sl3ge @ Apr 22 2021, 06:49 PM)
Anyone using sharp non inverter 1hp, so far so good?

planning to buy one
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Technically should get an inverter if daily use..the ROI on energy bills can recover fast.
So far my partner's hse is like a sharp showroom laugh.gif using for many yrs edi.
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post Apr 23 2021, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(excaliburcombo @ Apr 21 2021, 02:26 AM)
Here is the panasonic inverter 1hp current usage from my HA. Can see the step up and down when room temp archieve .[attachmentid=10851449]
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Interesting. Would you mind to shed some light on how to get this reading?

I am using 1.5 and 2.5 XU units from Panasonic. The mobile app is pretty good but the only drawbacks are some times the app is down due to server issues and it can't store more than 6 different timers per day. Loved the WiFi remote control although I had to pay for one of it since it didn't came as complimentary gift anymore. My electricity bills reduced as well from using 1.0 x 2 units of non inverters. tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Apr 23 2021, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(iSean @ Apr 22 2021, 11:22 AM)
Hi there all, any alternatives to Hitachi and Sharp Inverter Models?

I was recommended 1hp inverter aircond with BTU >9700, with these 2 models Sharp AHX9VED2 and Hitachi RAS-X10CJ, however no stock.

Any other model numbers to recommend? My room is Bedroom 2 14 ft x 7 ft. Ceiling height 2-3m?

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https://www.senheng.com.my/sharp-air-condit...2-ahx9ved2.html should have it.. they also list 0-charge pickup from store.
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post Apr 23 2021, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(MystiqueLife @ Apr 23 2021, 12:04 AM)
Interesting. Would you mind to shed some light on how to get this reading?

I am using 1.5 and 2.5 XU units from Panasonic. The mobile app is pretty good but the only drawbacks are some times the app is down due to server issues and it can't store more than 6 different timers per day. Loved the WiFi remote control although I had to pay for one of it since it didn't came as complimentary gift anymore. My electricity bills reduced as well from using 1.0 x 2 units of non inverters.  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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im using tuya/smart life smart plug with energy monitoring. This smart plug integrate into home assistant using local tuya integration. You need to get device local_key to add into localtuya integration. If use normal tuya integration can only on/off the device. Actually im monitoring all my house electric consumption. Im setting home assistant to sent consumption summary on 11.59pm daily. You can head up to smart home discussion and get idea/ask how to monitor your electric consumption.

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Momo33
post Apr 24 2021, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(hendry91 @ Apr 19 2021, 12:34 AM)
Recently I've bought 2 penasonic 1.5 & 2.0 XU series AC from lazada by using save 2.0 voucher and 3 units Panasonic bayu 5 fan.
But I found that, a lot of shop are out of stock for Panasonic products, not sure what happened to Panasonic. What's wrong with Panasonic now?
I prefer to have same brands for whole house.
So still need to buy 4 fan, 2 wall AC, and 1 cassette. But suddenly feel x confident with Panasonic. lol
I asked few shop nearby my house, all Panasonic AC out of stock too.
So I scare the Panasonic spare part might difficult to find in the future, was thinking to continue buy Panasonic AC at lazada or change to other brands.
Any suggestions? Or any recommended brand & model for AC(1hp & 1.5hp wall and 2.5hp cassette?
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there is shortage of semicon chips i guess .. etc....
so some will face slower delivery .


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post Apr 24 2021, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(iSean @ Apr 22 2021, 12:22 PM)
Hi there all, any alternatives to Hitachi and Sharp Inverter Models?

I was recommended 1hp inverter aircond with BTU >9700, with these 2 models Sharp AHX9VED2 and Hitachi RAS-X10CJ, however no stock.

Any other model numbers to recommend? My room is Bedroom 2 14 ft x 7 ft. Ceiling height 2-3m?

BTU should not be the only criteria to select an invertor AC .

the only advantage is it will achieve your SET temp faster .
doing a rough calculation maybe about 1 minute difference.
after that ...during normal operation its of no advantage . nod.gif



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post Apr 24 2021, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(Momo33 @ Apr 24 2021, 09:21 AM)
BTU  should not be the  only criteria  to select an invertor  AC . 

the only advantage  is  it  will  achieve your  SET  temp  faster  . 
doing a rough calculation  maybe  about  1 minute  difference.
after that ...during normal operation  its of no advantage .    nod.gif
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Ahhhh okays. What else I can consider?
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post Apr 24 2021, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(iSean @ Apr 24 2021, 12:05 PM)
Ahhhh okays. What else I can consider?
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the Sharp you mention is OK to consider.

look at the Midea equivalent . has 2 year warranty , and better features.







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post Apr 25 2021, 09:29 PM

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Paging for sis ceo684, my neighbor was telling me... he did re-wiring of his airconds cause his installer told him its better to wire from 20A switch --> IDU --> ODU instead of the wiring developer gave which was 20A switch --> ODU --> IDU?

Would it make a differences? So far I got quotes from 2 shops which came to see... none of them commented on this wiring topic.
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Apr 25 2021, 09:29 PM)
Paging for sis ceo684, my neighbor was telling me... he did re-wiring of his airconds cause his installer told him its better to wire from 20A switch --> IDU --> ODU instead of the wiring developer gave which was 20A switch --> ODU --> IDU?

Would it make a differences? So far I got quotes from 2 shops which came to see... none of them commented on this wiring topic.
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Usually power goes to IDU nowadays but it depends on the specific aircon model tho, older ones tend to put the master at ODU. Usually the power supply goes to IDU as master controller (nowadays) and power fed to ODU by IDU by a connecting cord.
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post Apr 26 2021, 06:38 AM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Apr 25 2021, 10:45 PM)
Usually power goes to IDU nowadays but it depends on the specific aircon model tho, older ones tend to put the master at ODU. Usually the power supply goes to IDU as master controller (nowadays) and power fed to ODU by IDU by a connecting cord.
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sweat.gif my neighbor told me that from supply to IDU this way the aircond connection more reliable... then I checked with the electrical subcon, was informed the cassette mounts are supply to ODU while the wall mounts are supply to IDU instead.

Is it cassettes are usually supply to ODU? or maybe aircond units nowadays can do either configuration?
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post Apr 26 2021, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Apr 25 2021, 10:29 PM)
Paging for sis ceo684, my neighbor was telling me... he did re-wiring of his airconds cause his installer told him its better to wire from 20A switch --> IDU --> ODU instead of the wiring developer gave which was 20A switch --> ODU --> IDU?

Would it make a differences? So far I got quotes from 2 shops which came to see... none of them commented on this wiring topic.
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yes... there is a difference .

normal power goes to IDU thru a fuse on the control pcb . There is no fuse on the ODU
and there is a outdoor relay on the pcb to control /switch power to the ODU .

when ACond is off ,
this means no surge voltage /current can reach the ODU via the Live wire.

the ODU is protected from surge voltages by the IDU .

above design is the normal.
and the AC installation guide that comes with the AC normally specify how to connect the power .


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post Apr 26 2021, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Apr 26 2021, 07:38 AM)
sweat.gif my neighbor told me that from supply to IDU this way the aircond connection more reliable... then I checked with the electrical subcon, was informed the cassette mounts are supply to ODU while the wall mounts are supply to IDU instead.

Is it cassettes are usually supply to ODU? or maybe aircond units nowadays can do either configuration?
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No they cannot do either configuration .

either the IDU or ODU will be the power control depends on the design . electronics design.
best to check on the installation guide for the AC .

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post Apr 26 2021, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Apr 26 2021, 06:38 AM)
sweat.gif my neighbor told me that from supply to IDU this way the aircond connection more reliable... then I checked with the electrical subcon, was informed the cassette mounts are supply to ODU while the wall mounts are supply to IDU instead.

Is it cassettes are usually supply to ODU? or maybe aircond units nowadays can do either configuration?
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Depends on aircond power/hp. Some high hp aircond need 'direct' supply for ODU.
Most probably cassette is hi hp type, so need direct power supply for compressor.

Something like this.
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post Apr 26 2021, 01:15 PM

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For any A/C with 3.0 HP and above, usually power goes to ODU.
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post Apr 26 2021, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(Momo33 @ Apr 26 2021, 12:15 PM)
No they cannot  do either configuration  . 

either the IDU or ODU   will be the  power control  depends on the design . electronics design. 
best to check on the installation guide for the AC .
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QUOTE(Max @ Apr 26 2021, 12:38 PM)
Depends on aircond power/hp. Some high hp aircond need 'direct' supply for ODU.
Most probably cassette is hi hp type, so need direct power supply for compressor.

Something like this.
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QUOTE(MystiqueLife @ Apr 26 2021, 01:15 PM)
For any A/C with 3.0 HP and above, usually power goes to ODU.
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It all depends on the AC mfg, some Daikin cassette 2hp also power to ODU.
It is normally shown on the spec sheet or installation manual.

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QUOTE(Momo33 @ Apr 26 2021, 12:15 PM)
No they cannot  do either configuration  . 

either the IDU or ODU  will be the  power control  depends on the design . electronics design. 
best to check on the installation guide for the AC .
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QUOTE(Max @ Apr 26 2021, 12:38 PM)
Depends on aircond power/hp. Some high hp aircond need 'direct' supply for ODU.
Most probably cassette is hi hp type, so need direct power supply for compressor.

Something like this.
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QUOTE(MystiqueLife @ Apr 26 2021, 01:15 PM)
For any A/C with 3.0 HP and above, usually power goes to ODU.
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Apr 26 2021, 02:10 PM)
It all depends on the AC mfg, some Daikin cassette 2hp also power to ODU.
It is normally shown on the spec sheet or installation manual.
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Thank you all for the info notworthy.gif , my neighbor sounded like he re-wired his cassettes points to IDU instead of ODU... make me panic if my original wiring would work. The wiring are for 3HP, 2.5HP and 2HP cassettes... total 4 points.


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