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post Jun 22 2015, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 22 2015, 09:48 AM)
Inverter still need to run at 100% to cool down the room when the room is not cold enough or far from the desired temperature.

Tell me, when the room temperature is 28c, while the preset temperature tell the air-cond to achieve 18c,
what the compressor will do?

Run at partial load? your room will forever not cool enough, as at partial load, the coolness delivered also becoming partial.
The compressor need to run at 100% rpm to cool down the room in this situation.
Run at 100% rpm --> electricity consumption is as same as non-inverter.
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That is why an inverter is offer for R410a gas only
To help the faster & lower temperatures are maintenace on 24-25c only.

Just try install Daikin GA inverter you may feel different
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 22 2015, 09:52 AM)
Another wrong understanding.

Non-inverter shut down the compressor when the preset temperature is reached, this is where the power consumption being reduced, but this is poor compared to inverter mechanism of reduce the rpm of the compressor.

Inverter doesn't run partial load all the time, it depended on the situation.
When inverter sense big difference between the room temperature vs its pre-set desired temperature, it needs to run at 100%.
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Ok ok.. Nowadays still available for non inverter model..
Wait one more day is totally phase out then you would realize the inverter more accurate and works lower power consumption at all
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post Jun 22 2015, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jun 22 2015, 10:05 AM)
non inverter will exist forever la.
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Of coz now has R410a non inverter mah laugh.gif

Check here, my sister in law just installed it model.. Good for cooling, but not for quiet.

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post Jun 22 2015, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 22 2015, 10:11 AM)
The one doesn't realise the mechanism within youself, despite pages and pages and numerous of time other explaining.

Another wrong statement.

It is gas R-22 phase out, not non-inverter.
Non-inverter can work work in R410a gas as well, if manufacturer decided to design the non-inverter to work with the gas, air-cond just need a refrigerant to work with.

It is not inverter must use R410a, or non-inverter must use R-22, only they can work.
Refrigerant function is to "transport" the heat from the indoor to outdoor only.

Inverter and non-inverter is just about how compressor works.
Inverter use DC to control the compressor rpm, while non-inverter using AC, which cannot control the rpm. 

Non-inverter is not banned, it is R-22 will be banned in the future.

Inverter does save electricity and work at lower power consumption, but it depends on what is the condition of the room.

That's why no manufacturers give accurate number how much inverter can save (they can only advertise save as much as 30% or 50% with a * behind,
because the saving variable depended on the room condition itself, which vary from one and another.
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Just go back home n turn on your 2.5hp non inverter for full days at least done on at least 8 hrs.

After change to inverter 2.5hp also turn on 8 hrs like me now..

So for me is never worried about higher electricity bill at all.

But I would stay away from non inverter lah

Simple tell u from non inverter 2hp easily clock higher power consumption than 2.5hp inverter unit.

Don't ask me why

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post Jun 22 2015, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 22 2015, 10:24 AM)
It depends on the room size. Of course if your inverter air cond can reach the desired temp, you will save electricity.

For big rooms which will forever cannot achieve desired temperature, you won't save any electricity at all.

Seriously you need to understand the mechanism on the savings.
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lol big room go for bigger hose power lah..

Who said can't achieve?

Did you the inverter user?

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post Jun 22 2015, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 22 2015, 10:28 AM)
So tell me now, if you have limited budget, and you can only choose one. Which one will save you more electricity now?

1. Bigger horsepower without inverter (that can make your room achieve desired temp).
2. Small horsepower, with inverter.

Both same price.

(Sorry but bigger horsepower with inverter is not an option due to limited budget).

Now you know why inverter doesn't always save electricity like you wish.
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That is why the mainly is due to budget right
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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 22 2015, 10:29 AM)
I use both and I know the mechanism behind the savings. Unlike you.
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Using both is never get the acurrate power consumption
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post Jun 22 2015, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 22 2015, 10:31 AM)
I mean I use non-inverter before and changed to inverter now.
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Be coz you force the unit run in lower temperatures, when gas not enought please top up lah

In good condition Aircon of inverter you won't set lower to 24C, just gas not enough and feel warm then just keep like non inverter set to 23C at all

Different brands may different cooling, don't tell me your unit are Pana inverter, is the worst to compare even Daikin GA made in Malaysia brand

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 22 2015, 10:43 AM)
1. I don't run my unit at lower temperatures. Please do not assume thing.

2. I don't use Pana brand. Please do not assume thing.

3. I use Daikin. Please do not assume thing.

4. I did achieve savings. Because I know the mechanism behind the savings. Please do not assume thing.

Get your facts right.
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If mechanism behind power consumption clock more than Aircons than don't simple claim the inverter Aircon use much higher power

Still don't understand the inverter Aircon works from
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 22 2015, 10:44 AM)
I really give up now...  laugh.gif
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Simple life you still dunno Aircon need to check gas presure meh?

Don't told me your Aircons is free for serving also self cleaning dust.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 22 2015, 11:09 AM)
Now, I only know inverter save a lot of power, then rest, throw into drain already, don't need to know, don't ask me why.  laugh.gif
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you ask the correct answer in b4 pass 6 yrs ago i am doing the way...

non inverter for 1hp i just dismantle on Rm100 to aircon man, even 2hp non inverter less than 2 yrs for Rm250 only..

cause i dont have contribute too much paid for TNB drool.gif

you guys talks so easy, if ask you do the same.. i don't think they will following.. hmm.gif

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jun 22 2015, 11:10 AM)
any hotel or hospital room use inverter ma? they can save more than us.
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In malacca hotels more into inverter now
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Jun 22 2015, 11:35 AM)
if you have 10 non inverter aircons dismantle for rm 100 each good condition. I will buy it from you liao.
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at that time still heaven't kena u. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(PowerGadget @ Jun 22 2015, 11:48 AM)
Roughly how much is the cost of repairing and is it worth to repair?
Can you recommend me a good replacement for it? I'm using the air cond for about 8-12 hours a day and the room is quite small,about 13x13
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Top up gas is around Rm80 and clogging pipe water dipping have to check wow.

cause i am not too sure in someway m'sia rclxms.gif

13x13 = 4x4m go for daikin ga 1hp inverter you wont get disappointed of the cooling and very accurate to keep you room cold down as fast.

price also cheap.

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 22 2015, 12:25 PM)
Actually, I just felt pitiful for those who just listened blindly to his misleading advices.
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You still dunno how to get save an used with inverter aircon and claims inverter didnt bring down your bills.

Bigger area do not used smaller size of hp at all, even smaller area can be used slightly bigger hp for keep the room quickly cold down as fast as possible to energy saving.


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QUOTE(Jason @ Jun 22 2015, 12:17 PM)
You're wasting your time trying to explain to him. He basically ignored the part you said about the undersirable scenario there would be no savings between inverter and non inverter. He just keeps spouting half truths.

To summarize, very simple. Look at Papparich, Old Town, those standalone shop lot ones. In their case there would be no savings from inverter air con as the doors are wide open. Cool air will just escape to the atmosphere. The air con would be working 100%. There will be no savings as the LOAD is 100%.

In a sealed environment, such as a room with doors and windows closed, inverter may give you savings.

Likewise if you turn on the air con for only 3 hours or so, it doesn't make a significant difference since inverter and non-inverters would be working 100% to quickly bring the room temperature down.
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Ya agree with you.. that is why they never consider an expansive aircons at all, just possible can cold down the place only.

otherwise they might installed air curtain at every single door opening area to be keep the air wont explore too much outside.
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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 22 2015, 01:00 PM)
Sorry but I know how to get savings using inverter because I understand the mechanism behind how inverter works. Unlike you who just blindly advised others "get an inverter, you are selfish and only think about yourself if you use non-inverter" bla bla bla...

Since when did I claim that inverter didn't bring down my bills? Don't assume thing.

You are just good at salesman talk. Improve your technical skill.
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You are the only one from what i saw now.. who ever after change from inverter may reduce they electricity bill and cut into half... but in your case may different...

just sharing your temperature setting and fan speed with room size will do..

never do the correct set-up you wont get the correct way.

i hope can helping you icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 22 2015, 01:19 PM)
I already achieved the savings that I needed. Thanks for your offer but I am afraid to listen to your advice now. Not sure whether your advice is correct or not.

Cheers  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Then worry u r set-up in wrong way right laugh.gif laugh.gif


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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 22 2015, 01:00 PM)
Sorry but I know how to get savings using inverter because I understand the mechanism behind how inverter works. Unlike you who just blindly advised others "get an inverter, you are selfish and only think about yourself if you use non-inverter" bla bla bla...

Since when did I claim that inverter didn't bring down my bills? Don't assume thing.

You are just good at salesman talk. Improve your technical skill.
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You may find out here as a guide
From 16c you call the compressor runs like optimum and no tomorrow to drink more electricity

26c will be a bit too warm but usually not suitable for adults, but good for children they likely to kick off comforter at night time, also more healthy for them.

25c if your Aircon can achieved your required should use as 25c for common set-up, also save the green environment too..
Outdoor compressor may not runs like overloaded or full load else, just keep normal speed for whole night.

24c might be outdoor more hotter then set to adjust the balance of the room temperature too.

23c - 22c your Aircon not longer in cold condition should check gas pressure or do regular service and maintenance will solved.

20-21c maybe they really can't feel cold at all... That's personal reason, even inverter they might claim the unit not energy saving at all..

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Jun 24 2015, 11:54 AM)
My sister bought a new condo unit. Cables for a/c were pre-installed.
Recently asked an air-con installer to go to have a look. He said the cabling is of 3-wire type, so can only install non-inverter a/c or Panasonic inverter a/c.
Also, he said we can only install 2.0hp a/c in the living room, not more, not less.

Are there such restrictions  hmm.gif
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