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post Mar 19 2017, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(noien @ Mar 19 2017, 05:26 PM)
Ok thanks
How much urs was charge?
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It was all included in part of the renovation for removing 5 and installing 6 AC with some new pipes laid or relaid.

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QUOTE(donavan1986 @ Mar 20 2017, 07:42 AM)
Wow, this is nice. but is MHI aircon good? i know it's not cheap but can their aircon last long? i mean at least 10~20years or so.
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It's reliable brand. But perhaps 7-10 years or more should be expected if regularly cleaned and your area is free from lightning transients or voltage dip. (The last one is a sure killer of electric fans with PCB board. Areas prone to this better to rely on regulator.)

Also ensure your pipe is leak free. My old Daikin have active compressor protection that shuts off the AC....kena that once and that made me go for reliable AC piping brands. I would suggest to change the piping to be able to use the R410A gas that replaces the phased out R22.

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post Mar 21 2017, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(donavan1986 @ Mar 21 2017, 07:47 AM)
haha, okok, i get all of your point. of course i won't be wanting to waste money to do all the repair. if it comes too that extend sure i will change my aircon.

just that at this moment, my current house 2 units of national aircons and 2 units of york aircon still in good condition. just without the inverter only.
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AC compressor must install with proper clearance from wall or relative to one another. Too close to either shortens pcb lifespan. Kimchi ones more sensitive so a more generous clearance is required. That's what the experienced installers told me and they showed it in the installation manual. Most often is humidity, lightning transient and voltage dip that kills the pcb. Hence the newer generation ones for some make and models are equipped with a wider voltage operation range. I used to use those power factor regulators when staying in landed so most times my compressors are ok.

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QUOTE(kevinwawa @ Mar 22 2017, 02:26 PM)
do u know what is sleep mode?
what is that function?
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Gradual 1°C increase in temperature every preset interval until turned off or constant temp e.g. 28°C. Depends on make and model.

Sharp and Samsung turns off after n hours which you can set. Others have to see. Daikin introduced this in their R22-inverter.
Hitachi 2015 calls it Good sleep. Most 2010 models gradually includes it. Others like Toshiba could be earlier as 2005.

Even if don't have, it can be emulated like I describe some posts back.
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post Mar 24 2017, 08:24 AM

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QUOTE(Dum^Dum @ Mar 23 2017, 10:46 PM)
Hi all,

Can recommend me a 1.0 inverter model and any recommended seller + installer?

I'm looking at:

Sharp - AHXP10SHV1 / AUX10SHV1 
Mitsubishi - SRK10YN 
Pana - CS-S10SKH

Thanks.
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Unless you can explicitly get a response from Panasonic if their inverter has clean mode which cleans the blower after operation to prevent mould build-up, go for the other two brands.

For Mitsu Heavy Industries, if your room is neither square nor rectangular and placement of AC pipe can be such that you want to reach all parts of the room at the same time, go with SRK10YL-S which has 3 motors for independent left and right in addition to up down. The SRK10YN-S doesn't have this feature (auto 3D) that the YL-S model have.

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QUOTE(Dum^Dum @ Mar 24 2017, 03:21 PM)
Thanks for the reply, basically if they have the "auto-clean" then there's not much difference between them?

Any recommended seller + installer for KL/PJ?
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Jintex electronics.

There's a difference in price. I would prefer Sharp then MHI. MHI only if the type of room shape I mentioned above.

For indoor health purposes, auto clean is a must after air purifying. Mould is undesirable and they are the main culprit in residential sick building syndrome related to poor AC maintenance.

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QUOTE(cdspins @ Jul 7 2017, 09:01 AM)
Already completed, now considering renovation planning phase  biggrin.gif
Generally required 10 to 12HP to cover the whole house. Around 8 units. 
Let's say 1HP aircond is 1.5k, so should be about RM15k for all the aircond
Considering vrv because it will be great to install on the flat roof, so the house exterior can be nice laugh.gif
Research daikin have vrv system in this range
the problem is their indoor is customize, no idea how the process  of mix and match

Now is to find if the price is OK hmm.gif
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Multi unit compressors are also available from Daikin way back on their R22 units. Takes ceiling, floor, split but not sure about AHU. More popular in SG esp in space constrained AC ledges for locating the compressors. Can power 2 to 3-and possibly 4 depending on aggregate HP. One step down from VRV. I don't know about the power requirement though...could it be multiple power points converging or 3 phase, etc.

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QUOTE(krayzie @ Jul 7 2017, 05:02 PM)
I'm looking to buy a new aircon and i thought daikin is good brand. But some how went to a few shops they kept commenting that Daikin aircon is very noisy.
Asked them what noise is that, they said the inside unit wind blowing sound and compressor also very noisy.

Is that true Daikin AC very noisy?

By the way, a few shops kept pushing for Electrolux. I hardly heard of Electrolux famous for aircon. Any opinion about their AC?
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Pushing a brand sometimes motivated by commission or favor. Not wrong. Ask friends, relatives, neighbours (good way to know them and strike conversation), colleagues opinion and ask for model they use. Sometimes noise level are published as part of technical spec.

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QUOTE(krayzie @ Jul 7 2017, 06:04 PM)
no problem with that.
I'm more curious if daikin was really that bad? As in really that loud and that many strange noise as they'd mentioned from user experience?
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These referring to York's model equivalent? Even those are ok.
If they refer to high fan mode noisy, all are like that. Use only set temp and compare.

In my old condo, bedroom no fan point. Relied on then Thai made Daikin R22 inverter. Set to 26°C. Very quiet at set temperature which it maintained. I hear traffic from outside my window than my AC (rated 26dB). That AC has sleep mode and compressor quiet mode. Slept right under AC.

That AC has five fan levels and fan only (air circulation) mode. Only thing is not equipped is anti mould cleaning after use which the newer R410 gas inverters have.

Btw, all AC compressors are noisy outdoors. None below 44dB as far as I've surveyed. That's quieter than many washing machine if putting things in perspective.

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QUOTE(weng-aircon @ Jul 7 2017, 09:17 PM)
Your R22 unit is one of the best production. Keep it up to maintain. Pretty sure is more than 5 years
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Yes, eleven years ago but sold with the condo but used its 2.0HP Thai R22 F???50GVM, a newer generation sibling in another place after that. Sold that place and moved to a condo now using Samsung Triangle inverter and Sharp Inverter. Both have clean mode with ionizer.

QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jul 7 2017, 11:20 PM)
The implementation of anti mould cleaning is straight forward, where the fan rotate at the very slow speed after you switch OFF for 1-2 hours until the condenser fin dried up. You can simply switch to fan only mode (air circulation) after used at slow speed for 1-2 hours will do the same thing.
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Wow, good to know and thanks for sharing that tip.

QUOTE(krayzie @ Jul 7 2017 @ 06:04 PM)
no problem with that.
I'm more curious if daikin was really that bad? As in really that loud and that many strange noise as they'd mentioned from user experience?
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And lastly, sometimes noisy could be attributed to vibration. Vibration dampening pads could help also. If possible if you've not installed or laid pipes, use Inaba Denko's Paircoil. These are individual insulation sleeved copper pipes that are very durable as long as installed rightly. High quality copper. That very likely will eliminate vibration due to pipes knocking about in their embedded space inside the wall. Individual sleeve combining both gas and liquid pipe will experience knocking against each other in addition to mixing hot and cold refrigerants. This can cause the compressor to work harder in coolong and damage the cooling fins in the indoor unit where you see ice forming and causing the fins tip bend with tak tak sound. Individually sleeved jacket causes the AC to run at its rated power.

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QUOTE(Jase @ Jul 8 2017, 11:40 PM)
Is Inaba Denko pair coil easily available here in Malaysia? Any contacts?
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They are found in many AC / refrigeration specialist (not the regular electrical appliance) at least from PJ. Usually Superlon is widely available but that's roll on or slip in which is still very loose fit. Try Allco Parts in Kelana Jaya. There's a Korean one same trade name made by Smartco. Get the one meant for inverter or R410a.

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QUOTE(wuoi @ Jul 12 2017, 01:37 PM)
for me, daikin quite silent, from the first day install i barely notice my aircond sound during wake up at night, if compare with panasonic or national which you can easily hear sound from aircond unit...
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Hitachi also except when put to silence mode. Even at auto, it's just as noisy even when reached set temperature.
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QUOTE(r_ninja99 @ Jul 12 2017, 05:32 PM)
Dear All,

Headache now.

How to hide all those drainage piping if the current is not allowed to be hacked?

Any solution? Do not want those piping expose outside. My contractor told me aircond drainage pipe must below the aircond position due to water flow reason, thus it cannot be hidden at above and inside plaster ceiling.

Even now plaster ceiling also cannot resolve this. Anyone staying in condominium have faced this issue before? How uou guys resolve it?

Appreciated for your suggestion. Thanks.
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AC pipe will sweat (condensation of moisture in the air) and naturally the drain is there to conduct the condensate away otherwise the room will flood. Hence drain always positioned lower than pipe due to gravity affecting where condensate flows: downwards.

Why cannot hack? If AC pipe too low vs drain, solution is to hack where the drain pipe is and position it lower than AC pipes. What's the constraint?
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QUOTE(GamersFamilia @ Jul 12 2017, 08:32 PM)
go for panasonic , currently im using daikin , need to full service every 5-6 month compared to others once a year
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Servicing proportional to usage...if your model has no clean mode, simulate it and set timer to auto off after certain time if yours is 24hr clock.
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QUOTE(Eithanius @ Jul 20 2017, 04:09 PM)
Hi guys,

I've got an installer quoting me 2.2k for hacking and piping works (copper and drainage) for 3 units of inverter AC of the following:

Living Hall 3.0HP
Master Bedroom 1 (MB1) 1.5HP
Master Bedroom 2 (MB2) 1.0HP

Attached is a diagram flow of my house.

Is 2.2k reasonable...? Price excludes AC installations and patching up.

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Are you in Klang valley? You may look for the aircon installation thread to compare. See this,this and this.

There's a ledge above the porch area....suggest using that to place all 3 compressors for ease of maintenance. Vertical height limit for 1.0/1.5hp no greater than 5-10m depending on model. That way there's no need to use L bracket but they have to use ground mounting blocks (proper term is risers) with dampening pads to prevent excessive vibration and prevent it from sitting directly on porch roof.

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QUOTE(alan8311 @ Jul 19 2017, 02:45 PM)
Hi all, just want to ask it is fine if i hide my aircond gas pipe on top of plaster ceiling?
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So long as the pipes are insulated as it sweats (cold condensation).
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QUOTE(Eithanius @ Jul 20 2017, 11:26 PM)
It is MB2 room... Behind the 2 outdoor unit is the MB2 toilet..., in between them there's no window, and both units won't be turned on at the same time so I'm not too worried about noise... If all 3 outdoor units throw up the rooftop then they may need pumps to work...?
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All compressors have pumps. Question is how much are their vertical limit spec and the pipe run length which in turn depends on the model. This was discussed before in an older AC thread in this post.

The main thing is how much work is required for maintenance. If it's all the way up there, ensure there is a tap which you can close from inside for rinsing. The other associated remote risk is exposure to lighting strike.

Where I initially suggested is ideal albeit the obvious eye sore for ease of reach during maintenance.

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QUOTE(asiatrader98 @ Jul 24 2017, 11:08 AM)
thinking to install celling cassette type air-con on my living room (condo)

anyone have install this before? good or ?
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11' height minimum with clearance for pipes and drain if there's plaster ceiling.
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QUOTE(scarlion @ Jul 24 2017, 11:27 PM)
hi guys, i am looking for 1 hp aircond...any recommendation?

prefer those reliable , save tnb bill biggrin.gif
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Any inverter will do. Sharp plasmacluster have 30% discount in Aeon Jusco for their 2015 model.
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QUOTE(blackkeng @ Jul 26 2017, 12:21 AM)
China? I thought it's Malaysia product
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It's Malaysian. Like Acson and then York before Daikin bought her over.

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