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Benefon
post Jan 18 2024, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(harunkamal @ Jan 18 2024, 12:09 PM)
Planing to buy 1.5 from Shopee to replace existing Aircon. Should I get the installation from Shopee too, is it good enough, any experience being install by Shopee stores compared to physical store?
Sorry if dumb question...
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If R22 gas pipes to R32, cannot reused.
If R410a to R32 still can reused, but make sure vacuum the existing liquid gas from R410a.
Otherwise compression issue , warranty void can be happen

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post Jan 19 2024, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(westlife @ Jan 19 2024, 09:20 PM)
non-inverter aircon is really not comfortable for sleeping. on and off constantly...
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Lowyat members suka, everyone recommended on & off system.
For those keep saying operates less than 8 hours must be use non-inverter.
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post Jan 20 2024, 07:43 AM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jan 20 2024, 06:16 AM)
lol cause don’t know how inverter works mah.
My room calculation only need 1.5hp

I buy 2hp inverter
Air con guy say “cold die you!”

Well I am still alive and very comfortable. If I listen to him I hot die already.

But yes Panasonic is rubbish don’t buy.
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Nobody said that Panasonic is a good aircon brand, except those saleman.
1hp Panasonic model, inverter or non, can skip it.
Go for daikin or Mitsubishi electric.

Inverter aircon can use in cold rains or hot weather.
Nothing to worried about on and off to make you feel uncomfortable.

Can easily search my posts in this thread, all the way I am recommended inverter unit. But nobody wanna try to install inverter, most of Malaysian go for cheaper model, got cold air good than enough.

That is why R32 non inverter model still alive in year 2024 Malaysia.
Singapore non inverter model, discontinued in 10 years ago 😂

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jan 20 2024, 06:16 AM)
lol cause don’t know how inverter works mah.
My room calculation only need 1.5hp

I buy 2hp inverter
Air con guy say “cold die you!”

Well I am still alive and very comfortable. If I listen to him I hot die already.

But yes Panasonic is rubbish don’t buy.
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Inverter work same as CVT gearbox, it’s variable compressor work on high and low speed due to weather.
When used at night the outdoor condenser unit cut of high load in jet machine sound , but during daytime yes.
Faster speed can do quickly reaching cooling to your room and cut down the electricity.

But non inverter no, it’s stable cooling till the temperature reached then stop work on compressor, once it’s hot , the compressor working again. But really not good in cold weather or rainy days

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QUOTE(YoungMan @ Jan 20 2024, 11:14 AM)
For those on small budget, Midea inverter is cheap compared to daikin or Mitsubishi.
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Ya about 1.1k vs 1.3k something there.
Some cheap ppl going for 700 non inverter 😂😂😂
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post Jan 20 2024, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(zuozi @ Jan 20 2024, 11:58 AM)
Depends the weather conditions and rooms size and temperature you set and how cold you can tolerate, also like some /k members mentioned room insulation play a important role too, example 2hp is like we often see those guy travel to colder season first time all show kuatx2 no need jacket later on all sneezing

example if your room set air conditioner 24c non inverter and inverter but your room not properly insulation rooms temperature left side 25.5c right side 26.5c basically 1.5hp air conditioner will keep compressor running full speed inverter or non inverter

But raining season room temperature very easy reaching desired temperature 24c for non inverter do create stop/start cycle can create noise pollution for inverter won't have this issues because is reduce the motor speed at specific speed and maintain the temperature i don't know how much power usage is reduce when the motor speed is half because mostly happened at night and i have no device to measure either

2hp indeed do faster cooling down the room with inverter at night you won't over cold or hearing start/stop cycle noise pollution, so still depends the location you install i mean each room have their own hotspot, height and depends the temperature you set but i often see people set 27c If you can only tolerate 27c might as well just install 1.5hp+ceiling fan I'm pretty sure you won't be able hear the compressor start stop cycle from 1.5hp non inverter , but if in Small room really 2hp can cold die you can constantly hearing start/stop cycle from non inverter

I can sleep under 24c without issues i also seen indeed have people can tolerate and sleep comfortably under 18c , 18c to me just too cold

I'm not certified air-conditioned guy , professor or anything I'm just a normal guy like diy stuff , i guess depends room size, proper insulation or not, how cold you can tolerate, do you kisah about the electricity saving by how much , some even ask me install solar panels 😂 😂
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Room size : 3x4m 9-10k btu
Room size : 4x5m 12-13k btu
Room size : 5x6m probably 18k btu
Room size : 6x7-8m 24k Btu
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post Jan 21 2024, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jan 21 2024, 02:45 AM)
That’s me. I’m cheap. Hisense basic 1hp non inverter. Cold AF.

I have a mix of inverters and non inverters for different spaces and use cases. Guest room use few times a year no need inverter. Likewise for living room open space also I don’t need it.

Depending on how many total AC in the house. Buying basic AC and saving the funds and invest in solar is better long term. But for own bedroom sleeping I always advocate “overpowered” inverter for comfort. And buy a cheap Bluetooth logging thermometer with humidity level will help in understanding how to best set your own AC schedule. My AC always timer off at 4am when ambient temp drop to its lowest.
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I don’t have so many pattern. 15 years ago, already converted all non inverter R22 to inverter units R410a, bedroom or living room as well.
Even my wife kampung house, her one is the first York inverter model till now still working well.

The current R32 inverter will be install my new house.


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post Jan 22 2024, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(PowerGadget @ Jan 22 2024, 02:23 AM)
Anybody bought Panasonic Airconds recently?  I purchased four Airconds last year April when move into my house and all of them were very bad condition(noisy) after few months.

Claim once for motherboard 1.5hp inverter and now 1.0hp inverter error code.. then there is one 1.0 non inverter blower sound like old car engine damn noisy.

So disappointed with Panasonic brand…

Wondering whether noisy flap and motor entitled for warranty claim? Gonna ring them up soon
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Panasonic already did the lousy aircon condition in 12-13 years ago. Except their first R410a inverter available in Malaysia.
The rest like cutting cost already
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post Jan 30 2024, 11:07 PM

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Any did vacuum the pipe line before turn on gas?
Mine didn’t do it before
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2827648/+0&
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QUOTE(PowerGadget @ Feb 1 2024, 01:35 AM)
Was thinking Pana or Daikin are no brainer for airconds. Seemed like I was wrong....
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You guys miss out, Mitsubishi Electric deluxe model.
I am using starmex model in Singapore, super good condition
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Feb 3 2024, 07:55 AM)
Hi there. I see you're a huge advocate for inverter airconds. I've a double volume space that is 19 feet high and as open plans go, I have combined by living, dining, kitchen area into one stretch. It's 90 feet in length and 21 feet in width so bringing my total area to 1890 sqft or 35,910 cubic feet of space.

We also have a 12 foot fan that will be installed in the middle of the space for circulation of air between the spaces.

We're lowering the AC to be installed at the 10 feet height of course, not planning to bother with cooling up top.

We're planning 6-8 wall units for the space, as we enjoy keeping the house temperature to a max of 20c, 55% humidity. We're aware that we're living in the wrong country for this temperate needs, but otherwise Malaysia is such a great country.

Would an application like this still justify a inverter, seeing that it only starts to reduce its power consumption when it hits the set temperature? And I highly doubt I'll be able to get 20c in a space this large.

Ultimately this entire endeavour will be decided by my site engineers, but I'd like to understand your personal thoughts for the application of inverter units in a space like this.

Would you recommend it still?

Any responses would be much appreciated.
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What is your current used aircon brand?
If the Mitsubishi electric Mr slim 24k BTU set on 25c really super cooling already for wide and bigger space area

Could you share your floor plan.
I can advise you install the right location and AC BTU

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QUOTE(westlife @ Feb 3 2024, 10:48 PM)
my landlord installed a r32 non-inverter aircon in the study room.  sad.gif
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Non inverter super cooling, feel like very uncomfortable
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QUOTE(Jason @ Feb 4 2024, 02:08 AM)
Nope

1.5hp “needed”
I install 2hp inverter

One key difference is the 2hp will reach my desired temp faster.

A 200hp car and a 100hp car, both can do 100km/h speed. The 200hp car will get to 100km/h first. Unless it’s a Panasonic. Then it’ll get there last.

And with inverter, the compressor can slow down to maintain the temperature I want. so no such thing as overpower.

I truly, genuinely hate my Panasonic. I set I-autoX mode at 16C,my temperature sensor reads temp as 26.4C for the last 20 minutes. Basically Panasonic just take my command as a suggestion and it think I want to save electricity. Sadly I paid too much for this Panasonic inverter and I don’t have desire to spend money to change it.
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Good inverter like daikin or Mitsubishi electric set on 25C for 18k BTU really feel that colder than other brands.
Wanna save electricity, make sure you’re going for any deluxe or premium model. The outdoor compressor totally different than standard inverter or non inverter.
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Feb 4 2024, 10:05 AM)
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Sure. The yellow line is the area that is internal that needs to be cooled. The ceiling is 11 feet in that area

The green area is 22 feet ceiling.

Our engineers submitted their proposal which involves a mix of inverter and non-inverter AC but I'm keen to see other thoughts & justifications

Their suggestion is to stick with the Daikins as they have a good relationship with them after having transacted millions of dollars with them.
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Don’t forget , cold air are blowing downwards.
Previously I have 1 bedroom with 5.5m high, able to build attic floor. But I just installed 1hp inverter can cold down the whole room.

The plan for my suggested



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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Feb 4 2024, 04:19 PM)
Hey thank you for that.
That's a very different layout and suggestion from our engineers.

Do you have any justification for this?

And I'm assuming this is the BTU suggestion yes?
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Basically your layout is longer type.
If the floor layout are square type, you may need higher btu to cooling everywhere.
To me, 24k Btu Mitsubishi electric Mr slim deluxe inverter model able to cooling down your living plus dry and wet kitchen as well.
I don’t know about daikin or Panasonic.
Because of the Mitsubishi electric 24k btu outdoor has bigger condenser size and wider fins, it’s is quickly to reaching the temperature you’re set on.

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Mitsubishi in between 24-28k btu
https://www.mitsubishielectricmalaysia.com/...ners/gr-series/

Panasonic are the most lower btu in 24k.
https://www.panasonic.com/my/air-solutions/...u-series-xkh-1/

Daikin need 28k btu = 3hp equal to 24k = 2.5hp Mitsubishi
https://www.daikin.com.my/product/ftkm-series-r32/


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QUOTE(Jason @ Feb 4 2024, 05:25 PM)
Cool mode is even slower than I auto X to cool down.
There’s no power mode on Panasonic air con, unlike the old Panas.

Basically there’s no mode on Panasonic to give me what I want - max cooling. You’re saying the temp is set by manufacturer, then why bother giving a remote and temp setting. Give on and off enough lah.

I don’t know about you. If I buy an air con, I want it to function at the settings I determine.
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I auto X cool down = powerful mode?
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QUOTE(kazekage_09 @ Feb 5 2024, 06:17 PM)
Hi i want to ask for opinion.

I have a Mitsubishi 1.5HP inverter that has been serving me 10 years problem free. Yesterday it broke down not cooling anymore.

And i asked 2 technicians and they both said my pcb board is broken already and advise to just buy a new unit.

The reason given is that the parts is hard to find, expensive and take times on delivery.

What you guys say?

But honestly it a money  well spent
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What is the model?
Daikin pcb can last 5 years
Panasonic after warranty or 3 years only

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QUOTE(voscar @ Feb 5 2024, 06:29 PM)
Malaysia don't have this StarMax model.. I'm using the standard JS inverter model, very bulky I don't know why still call as Mr. Slim
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Previously, the first GE model was coming from Singapore , still under starmex. I managed to buy in JB. But already 12-13 years ago.
Now all new Mitsubishi electric under Mr Slim same as Thailand model.
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QUOTE(toottut89 @ Feb 6 2024, 01:53 AM)
hi guys, i've recently gotten keys to my condo and i've tried calculating the correct BTU needed for my unit, a little lost with the calculation and would appreciate some help from the sifus here.

my entire unit is about 1k sqft. ceiling height is at about 9.7ft.

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here's the layout, really hope some of you guys might be able to chip in your ideas on the required BTU or aircond unit to get.

planning to get a 2.0hp to cool the the living + dining area

1.0hp for the rest of the rooms except master will be inverter.
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Here you go, because your living room and dining very long space.
Either go for 24k (check the space for outside condenser)
Or install 18+12k btu included dining area, otherwise single 18k really underpowered for all time.
For your case , fully window close, try to install Mitsubishi electric deluxe inverter or daikin inverter for whole unit.
This is cold and comfortable all time.

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9k = 1hp
12k=1.5hp
18K=2hp
24k=2.5hp

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QUOTE(voscar @ Feb 5 2024, 06:29 PM)
Malaysia don't have this StarMax model.. I'm using the standard JS inverter model, very bulky I don't know why still call as Mr. Slim
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look like Malaysia GR Series much advance, the remote control got light for night time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc_7qV2AZ3s



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