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post Aug 19 2015, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(tmc @ Aug 19 2015, 10:48 AM)
I have no experience using inverter air cond. Do you mean inverter model will have less trouble on the outdoor unit ?
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So far mine all Aircon was inverter even serving or changed parts, never did before.
Now has 5-6 yrs old... I just did water jet spray on condenser coil fins to be clean out my self for dirty dust only.

The rest is forget it
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post Aug 19 2015, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(tmc @ Aug 19 2015, 11:08 AM)
I think my mitsubish also did not have problem in the first few years. But maybe after first capacitor failed, the replacement capacitor was not reliable. So it seem to fail more after first failure.
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If wanna last then go for original parts may last longer.

After markets were keep it last for certain duration times only
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post Aug 19 2015, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(GamersFamilia @ Aug 19 2015, 03:18 PM)
take out the fan blower and clean it right ... ?
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What is ur model?
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post Aug 19 2015, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(GamersFamilia @ Aug 19 2015, 03:24 PM)
panasonic
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Ok Pana still able for remove the fan blower
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QUOTE(Vain @ Aug 20 2015, 12:22 AM)
Daikin FTE60KV1 2.5HP in living hall
Daikin FT50HV1 2.0HP in master room
Total is 920sqf 2 room type
i having these 2 aircon given and installed in my new soho by developer, i was thinking is it best to change to inverter series sinces soho is under commercial electrical rate. And which brand should i go daikin? panasonic? can give me some advice? Or should I just carry on wt it and get another daikon R22 for my 2nd room, as all the piping and wiring is done and concealed by developer......since now I doing my electrical works I already opened up my plaster ceiling, if need to change to inverter, I need to change piping right? But it would be costly to do so as my compressor is located at the end bout 30-40 feets piping length....sifu advice?
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Usually the cost of package for 2hp = Rm350 for 3m long piping and each 1m top up Rm15-30, but have to check with your Aircon guys.

Inverter gas pipe should be more thickning than non-inverter, due to higher pressure and prevent gas leaked.

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QUOTE(Vain @ Aug 20 2015, 10:53 AM)
So? It's better for me to change all the piping now for future.....or just keep the current piping and air con? Cause feel bit wasted if I redo all icon_question.gif
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You may check the copper pipe thickness and suitable size for the correct unit.

For example like old model.
18k btu = 2hp the both size like 6mm & 15mm dia. And New model just need 6mm & 12mm dia.

Also old wiring may change and later broken half way, then you wanna to remove out false ceiling again?

Please make sure to be used wires 4C40 and at least got 1 wire standby for next time.

Inverter unit gas is slighly higher pressure to be recommend on more thicken diameter size to avoid flare nut connection fail and leak.


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post Aug 20 2015, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(Vain @ Aug 20 2015, 11:07 AM)
So meaning if my old 2hp is 6mm & 15mm dia...it should be no problem for me to change to new inverter air Con? Since its thicker than the new model 6mm & 12mm...or inverter is bit more bigger size than above?
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Try to understand pipe size are including in the package for new installation, but once gas leaking the cost may charge you more and to be re-do meant to be re-runs all new copper pipe and lagi lugi lah.


[qoute=Today just realise my previous non-inverter copper pipe thickness for the most bigger size to compare as recent installed with G23 gauge = 0.61mm thickness

For the most bigger was 12mm diameter but the thickness very thin for less than 0.51mm for gauge 25 only.

So you guys/gals would prefer upgrade from non-inverter gas R22 to R410A even non-inverter.

They will be leaking gas not longer time or break off sometime later at the bending corner.

Gas R22 vs R410A = gas pressure double up from R22.

My photos just taken now.
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So now you guys/gals have a guide to check your condo/consealed wall copper pipe should not look like the bigger copper that thin and at least slightly thicken than the bigger size.

So you have chance to install with R410a or inverter unit anytime.[/qoute]

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QUOTE(Vain @ Aug 20 2015, 12:22 PM)
Really informative bro...thanks
So if my copper pipe size and thickness is bout the mid one..that's mean am save to install inverter or non-inverter R410 gas type?
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Actually R410a gas from non or inverter unit all the same pressure, make sure the old copper can take the load
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QUOTE(Vain @ Aug 20 2015, 06:01 PM)
Do u think its thick enough? Anyone have reliable air con guy for me to contact ? Location kepong kl
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Look like G25 = 0.57mm only.

But can try lah, just notice the copper pipe is too short, need to extend later
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QUOTE(Vain @ Aug 20 2015, 06:08 PM)
Can try mean can put in r410 gas air con?
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Sure can just needs in good workmanship and not the poor installer only
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QUOTE(Vain @ Aug 20 2015, 08:06 PM)
Ok, noted....many thanks.

Any recommended air con vendor in kl? Or pj?
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If you ask me for S'pore installer, I got some biggrin.gif
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post Aug 21 2015, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(tmc @ Aug 21 2015, 09:43 AM)
Thank you for the insight. I am trying to find the justification to go for the Hisense. RM500 is a lot of difference compared to RM1000. Apparently RM500 might be just 1 promotional unit, additional units could be higher price.
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You want pay higher TNB bill and more troubleshoot in future also up to you biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Aug 21 2015, 10:02 AM)
ozak, cheaper a/c no good? we need to keep budget low when we rent out out condos, of coz the a/c must be reliable as well. i think most a/c can last 5-10yrs without issue.
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Actually own a Aircon is never consider cheap at all.
Maintenaces & monthly bills.

So why go for budget too low.
As a good basic Aircon should have thier selling point and value.

Lower price meant doesn't consider too good, cause of needs consider for usage everyday an over 8 hrs should consider for at least Rm1k >

The breakdown and cost of maintenace with input watts and cooling wise will be better than the lower budget models.

Such as Rm800 < or lower ppls they will planing for using when in hot day only or seldon open for more than 5 hrs a daily usage.

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QUOTE(tmc @ Aug 21 2015, 10:03 AM)
There is some truth in what you say. But as far as aircond is concerned, I tend to believe usage is another BIG factor. If the place is a very dusty area, it tends to break down faster due to lack of scheduled cleaning and maintenance. And it happens that the breakdown is on a cheaper brand, people tend to think say "you see, it's cheap brand, so it breaks down!". Breakdown on the more expensive brand, people will say "yeah, I only got the breakdown now, if cheaper brand if would have breakdown earlier!"

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Like S'pore rental, from the owner have to pay for Aircon maintenace cost, unsure for M'sia markets.

If you need to pay for it, so better go for slighly higher budget biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Aug 21 2015, 11:14 AM)
so far i havent encounter a/c faulty or maintainance issue, i think only the internal unit need more care than outdoor due to dust clogging. i seen a/c  filter nvr wash for more than 1 yr. esp rent to girls. some of AC i have used and still in service till now and all these never service outdoor, only clean indoor units for rentals. So now days i just do visual checks on my units together with checking a/c every 3-6 month.

Panasonic with ion rm* 2006 4 units
sharp with plasmacluster rm900 @ 2008 2 units
fujiaire 1hp with ionizer rm600 @ 2012 4 units
sharp 1hp basic rm700 @ 2012/2013 4 units
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Hmm seens like your is very common brand such made in M'sia

Midea, hisense, Gree & Haier all from China leh



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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Aug 21 2015, 11:29 AM)
usually i take common brand as they are cheap as well, i only have basic haier 1hp before, also i have used more than 5 yrs w/o issue. the rest of china brand never used before such as midea and hisense nvr used before and i think midea used to give 3 full yrs warranty.
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You are not wrong with that.

Basic model at least still from Japan design, just a fujiare from malacca.
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QUOTE(tmc @ Aug 21 2015, 01:05 PM)
Warranty will vary according to where you purchase things from.

I spoke to a shop keeper he said the Hisense and Midea have 2 year warranty for indoor unit and 5 years warranty for outdoor unit.

And online order, being cheaper, I think they just offer 1 year warranty, even for the common jap design brands.
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Since you have decided hisense brand, then just consider for thier premium specs of inverter unit HAC-10TGI dunno how cool is it
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QUOTE(tmc @ Aug 21 2015, 03:07 PM)
I think that way too. But since kimsim asked about inverter aircond, I just "entertain" him a bit.  blush.gif
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Ya I knew that... Cause you won't install too :Lol

But you might consider for Daikin cooling King as well.
Can last longer n durable too.

http://www.lazada.com.my/daikin-cooling-ki...al-3004545.html

In around the corner just said cooling King, no others won't knew that is from York or Daikin.

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QUOTE(tmc @ Aug 21 2015, 03:27 PM)
Still prefer you get Daikin.

For those ppl who ever saw your Aircon is Daikin from your rental house per monthly can charge at bit higher too

Otherwise you might pm him.
He is the super reseller for used Aircon
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1332341/+1620#bottom

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QUOTE(Vain @ Aug 21 2015, 11:01 PM)
Kimsim bro, that du u said atleast 0.60mm thickness can stand r410a gas? Or 0.8mm? R32? Any idea?
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From 0.61mm = G23 was the standard size of any R410A minimum requirement for non or inverter models.

In the standard concealed walls to be gauge G22 = 0.71mm at least, but M'sia is never bother what's the thickness for make sure is concealed wall.

From 0.56mm G24 & 0.51mm G25 as a m'sian prefer cause they pay lesser for installation fee of R22 non-inverter all models.

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