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post Feb 15 2019, 09:45 PM


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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Feb 15 2019, 09:22 PM)
Can anyone help confirm that the new inverter r32 gas type can now safely installed on old piping for non inverter? I went to shop and was told this is the case ....
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Need to know the thickness of the pipe wall.
Inverter or non inverter doesn’t matter.

Then again, if you don’t know, just install and do vacuum to check ability to keep vacuum.

I have seen gas pressure running on 300 psi on pipe thickness 0.53mm and operating fine. Just that the flare nut joint need to be careful not to over tighten.
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post Feb 19 2019, 04:50 PM


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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Feb 19 2019, 03:09 PM)
i need help from the experts here. Assuming i want to compare the inverter between different brands, what spec should i focus on to compare the power consumption or which one is better at energy saving?

example is Midea inverter vs Panasonic inverter, both 1.5hp, the power saving expected to be more or less the same? because the price differs a lot, so i would like to understand how to assess the power saving and compare vs the additional cost so i can make the best decision for myself.

thank you!
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R32 is a more efficient gas than r410a.

Beyond that, you will have to look at the number of kwh used on the energy star sticker.

Also, you should look into how insulated your room is. The gaps of the window and door, holes and cracks that can be sealed, changing the lights to a more efficient light like led that produce more light and less heat than incandescent or fluorescent.
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post Feb 20 2019, 01:33 PM


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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Feb 20 2019, 10:17 AM)
thanks. So the gas efficiency will also help in power saving aka lower electricity bill?

Also, i was told if you are using old air cond where the gas is different, you need to flush and clean the pipe before you use the new gas...

however, for r410a and 32, they are compatible, anyone can confirm this?
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Yes. Theoretically that’s the case.

I hardly see people flush the lines to be honest. Mostly just vacuum and that’s it.

I think it is more important to know what happen to the previous aircon that will affect the decision to reuse the pipes or not. If I know it is compressor fail with lots of dirty bits in the line I won’t reuse the pipes. It is impossible to fully flush the pipes especially long pipes.
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post Feb 20 2019, 07:19 PM


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QUOTE(DuitNow @ Feb 20 2019, 07:09 PM)
Mine problems all outside eg starter, capacitor, connectors etc. So if I buy new aircon, better to replace all pipes outside?

Inside room pipe also need change?
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starter and capacitor got nothing to do with condition of pipes. connection.......that can be easily fixed.

connector means what? the compression joint of the copper coil with the compressor? if that is the case, just cut the last section of the copper coil and solder on a good thick copper coil to ensure a good connection at the compression nut joint.

why looking at new aircon again?
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post Feb 20 2019, 08:59 PM


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QUOTE(DuitNow @ Feb 20 2019, 07:30 PM)
I dont know which connection, aircon repairman solved that problem 1 or 2 years ago.

Havent decide which model to buy. Aircon repairman do a full cleaning on the aircon, abit cooler but not that cool compare like 3 years ago.

Need wait until the sun damm hot, then decide. But nowadays quite alot of heavy rain so weather cool off abit but still hot if aircon not switch on, but not much sun.
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Lel.
Few minutes can determine the problem already.
Common culprit is : dirty evaporator and condenser coil.
Low/over refrigerant
Run capacitor for cross fan motor failing
Blocked inline refeigerant filter
Faulty room/coil temp sensor.


All the above are easy fix.
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post Feb 20 2019, 09:01 PM


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QUOTE(DuitNow @ Feb 20 2019, 08:11 PM)
Why didnt remove the aircon for full cleaning? Why cover like that then do cleaning? If the cover got hole, water would come out all over the place.
Quality that bad? blink.gif

Got daikin models name?
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No need remove whole aircon for cleaning.
The more you disturb the compression joint, the more the chance of leak.
Also there will always be refrigerant loss if you take down the whole unit. If plus, contaminants will enter the copper coil.
Rough handling of the indoor unit will result in bent fin, broken plastic, missing screws all of which will result in problem in future.
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post Feb 20 2019, 10:29 PM


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QUOTE(charlieyee9199 @ Feb 20 2019, 10:22 PM)
What is happening after change the new aircond R32 with existing R22
First detect leaking gas after couple of days then refilled gas again
same problem arise.

Anyone happened this before? What is your reaction?
The aircond guy suspect the gas could be leaking due to copper issue.
But why him didn't highlight at the very beginning.
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Just call back the person that installed it.
A couple of days usually means the connection at indoor leak or outdoor leak.

If he didn’t do a vacuum hole test when he install then boycott him after he fix this.
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post Feb 20 2019, 10:30 PM


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QUOTE(DuitNow @ Feb 20 2019, 09:46 PM)
But aircon repairman always take out aircon to clean, using cover I havent seen anyone doing it yet.
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They just learn from whoever their sifu is.

Hey. If leaks soon after that or leak gas more profit for him. And he can charge more for disassembling and reassembling onto the wall.
He win you lose
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post Feb 20 2019, 10:31 PM


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QUOTE(charlieyee9199 @ Feb 20 2019, 10:30 PM)
Is there any chance that copper might be rusting?
and worstly is copper conceal inside the wall.
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Very unlikely copper in wall.

When he cut the insulation to reach the connection you should go up the ladder to inspect. If the joint is oily means he suck at connecting the joint and hence leak.
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post Feb 20 2019, 10:35 PM


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QUOTE(charlieyee9199 @ Feb 20 2019, 10:33 PM)
This is my 3rd time contact the guy.
He accidentally burn my existing aircond electric board then i cold down and
replace a new unit from him.

You are right, i shall boycott him after fix this

thank you for your advise
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Oops. It’s vacuum hold test. Type too fast.
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post Feb 21 2019, 01:02 PM


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QUOTE(DuitNow @ Feb 21 2019, 12:44 PM)
How much cost for the device and the cover if want to DIY without taking down the aircon?
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Erm....
a custom made stainless steel rectangular pan with hooks for you to tie strings and a snout to attach a hose to drain water would cost around rm 60 depending on the size you want. You will have to measure the size of aircon bottom and add a few inches especially at the front. That will be the size of the pan.

Then you will need some garden hose and garden spray thingy which can be bought at mr diy cheaply.....around rm 30 depending on the length of the hose.
A screwdriver. Few bucks.
A hose that will fit into the snout of the stainless steel pan around 6 - 8 feet depending on the height of the aircon. Maybe around 10 bucks depending on the quality of the hose.
An empty 18 liter paint bucket. Free.
And depending on the height of the aircon a chair you have around or a small ladder which would cost around rm50.
Some strings or rope you have lying around. Either free or a few bucks.

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post Feb 21 2019, 06:51 PM


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QUOTE(DuitNow @ Feb 21 2019, 06:33 PM)


How much cost and where did you made the customise cover for the aircon as seen in the hydro cleaning video?

Got premade version?

And where did you buy the hydro cleaning device and how much it cost?

What about gas refill? Did you do it yourself?
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1, is the aircon cold?
2. is there ice forming on the indoor coil?
3. is there ice forming on the discharge pipe(smaller diameter) on the compressor side?

if the answer is yes, no and no, there is no deficiency of refrigerant.
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post Feb 21 2019, 10:30 PM


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QUOTE(DuitNow @ Feb 21 2019, 06:58 PM)
1) Will let you know next month since major aircon cleaning done.

2) Didnt see any ice.

3) Dont know, cant see. Doubt got ice. Here weather so hot and direct sunlight, if got ice will be a micracle.
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lel............

low refrigerant can have ice forming........

remember the universal gas law? pressure low = low temp? yes......ice can form.......refrigerant colder than normal, but since refrigerant quantity is lower than usual, not enough of refrigerant to carry away heat........hence the paradox of colder than normal refrigerant but a hot room laugh.gif
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post Feb 21 2019, 11:15 PM


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QUOTE(DuitNow @ Feb 21 2019, 10:46 PM)
Not sure what you mean.

Anyway, aircon sometimes feel cold or cool sometimes not, iregardless day or night. So let it run until next month, if really not cold or cool, I'll start hunting for a new aircon.
10 years? blink.gif

Daily usage how long?
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universal gas law
user posted image

user posted image
refrigerant gas pressure temp chart

and think for a while......what would happen if r22 gas pressure is lower than 60 when aircon is running?
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post Feb 26 2019, 06:12 PM


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QUOTE(cyberkoh88 @ Feb 26 2019, 06:04 PM)
my master room 13ft (Length) x 12 ft (Width) x 10ft (Height), 1HP aircon sufficient or need 1.5HP?
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1hp enough.
Unless bad insulation or many heat generating person or equipment.
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post Feb 26 2019, 10:41 PM


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QUOTE(ArthurHew @ Feb 26 2019, 10:05 PM)
My room 13X11.5X10, need 2 hours from 30.7C to 26.2C for 1.5HP.
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Lol. Cannot be.

Something is wrong with your aircon
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post Mar 2 2019, 07:28 PM


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QUOTE(lemonboyz @ Mar 2 2019, 05:44 PM)
I just installed Mitsubishi MS-HN24VF.
This aircon compressor is huge & bulky , require large copper piping. The compressor noise is quite ok, is even more quiet than my neighbor old 1.5hp Panasonic.
The wind flow is strong with 4 speeds, i'm sitting 6 meter away from aircon, im still able to feel the air flew on low speed.  Slightly noisy on 3rd speed but is acceptable, 4th speed is noisy with super blow airflow. Quite fast on cooling speed, drop 2'c in 15 min, drop 4'c in 30min on 380 sqft.
5 stars rating on non inverter aircon, im gonna monitor the electric usage.

Cons, i cant control the left/right swing airflow, have to adjust manually.
Overall i quite satisfy.
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3hp for 380sqft..........

and that cooling speed..........meh.........not impressive
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post Mar 3 2019, 05:16 PM


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QUOTE(DuitNow @ Mar 3 2019, 03:13 PM)
Question, aircon fan blower stuck at one speed setting, can it be fix?
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Err.

Remote problem?
Infra red receiver problem?
Motor problem?
Capacitor failing?
Faulty pcb?

These are the possible causes..... everything can be fix.... price varies of course.
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post Mar 3 2019, 06:31 PM


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QUOTE(DuitNow @ Mar 3 2019, 05:43 PM)
Motor problem? Is it expensive? The aircon blower speed is the same iregardless what setting on remote control use.

Cant be remote control and infra red receiver since can on/off aircon using remote control.

As for capacitor failing and faulty pcb, that I dont know.
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when you press the fan speed up or down on the remote, does the aircon beep acknowledging the command? if yes then remote and receiver ok........

if motor got rough bearing sound then motor kong soon.
if you set fan speed to the lowest and then off for some time and start with that lowest speed and fan don't spin then it is likely capacitor failing.
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post Mar 4 2019, 08:39 AM


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QUOTE(zizheng @ Mar 4 2019, 08:24 AM)
dear sifus, my house York aircond's compressor doesnt stop running after I self cleaned the compressor as it was clogged and air is not cold anymore. electric bill went up by rm30. did i mess up the thermostat? >.> please help @_@
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What model?

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