Amen

Yeah I heard about that. Few Europeans tourists got kidnapped few years back.

I hired a local guide so I'm ok I guess. hehe..

Is there something wrong with the forum? Keep on getting "board error message"?

Lowyat guys doing maint stuff

"The forum will be down intermittently today for database maintenance."

too many sins perhaps ? ... jangan marah ya Tina

Gue ngak marah karena Tuhan sudah ampuni dosa.

someone who is always thinking about happiness is a fool.
a wise person thinks about death.

Ecclesiastes 5.4

This post has been edited by darkdevilrey: Aug 13 2015, 10:32 PM

My life has been useless, but in it i have seen everything.
some good people may die while others live on,
even though they are evil.

Ecclesiastes 7.15

Getting involved in an arguement that is none of your business is like going down the street and grabbing a dog by the ears.

Proverbs 26.17

What translation you're using? The first one doesn't sounds like it.

Ecclesiastes 5:4
New International Version
When you make a vow to God, do not delay to fulfill it. He has no pleasure in fools; fulfill your vow.

New Living Translation
When you make a promise to God, don't delay in following through, for God takes no pleasure in fools. Keep all the promises you make to him.

English Standard Version
When you vow a vow to God, do not delay paying it, for he has no pleasure in fools. Pay what you vow.

New American Standard Bible
When you make a vow to God, do not be late in paying it; for He takes no delight in fools. Pay what you vow!

King James Bible
When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed.



Ecclesiastes 7:15
New International Version
In this meaningless life of mine I have seen both of these: the righteous perishing in their righteousness, and the wicked living long in their wickedness.

New Living Translation
I have seen everything in this meaningless life, including the death of good young people and the long life of wicked people.

English Standard Version
In my vain life I have seen everything. There is a righteous man who perishes in his righteousness, and there is a wicked man who prolongs his life in his evildoing.

New American Standard Bible
I have seen everything during my lifetime of futility; there is a righteous man who perishes in his righteousness and there is a wicked man who prolongs his life in his wickedness.

King James Bible
All things have I seen in the days of my vanity: there is a just man that perisheth in his righteousness, and there is a wicked man that prolongeth his life in his wickedness.


Proverbs 26:17
New International Version
Like one who grabs a stray dog by the ears is someone who rushes into a quarrel not their own.

New Living Translation
Interfering in someone else's argument is as foolish as yanking a dog's ears.

English Standard Version
Whoever meddles in a quarrel not his own is like one who takes a passing dog by the ears.

New American Standard Bible
Like one who takes a dog by the ears Is he who passes by and meddles with strife not belonging to him.

King James Bible
He that passeth by, and meddleth with strife belonging not to him, is like one that taketh a dog by the ears.

wow, this is interesting.

mine is Good News Bible - Today's English Version, got it since year 2000 keep until now.

so from your point of view, does it make any different ?

i felt the meaning somehow deviate a little bit, from version to version.

or because mine is Today's English Version, so the words is more easier to understand ?

likewise in malay, isi tersurat, instead of isi tersirat.

Actually no worry, when in doubt check the original Hebrew.

Ecclesiastes 5:4
כַּאֲשֶׁר֩ תִּדֹּ֨ר נֶ֜דֶר לֵֽאלֹהִ֗ים אַל־תְּאַחֵר֙ לְשַׁלְּמֹ֔ו כִּ֛י אֵ֥ין חֵ֖פֶץ בַּכְּסִילִ֑ים אֵ֥ת אֲשֶׁר־תִּדֹּ֖ר שַׁלֵּֽם׃


Text Analysis
Str Translit Hebrew English Morph
834 [e] ka-’ă-šer כַּאֲשֶׁר֩ When Prt
5087 [e] tid-dōr תִּדֹּ֨ר you vow Verb
5088 [e] ne-ḏer נֶ֜דֶר a vow Noun
430 [e] lê-lō-hîm, לֵֽאלֹהִ֗ים to God Noun
408 [e] ’al- אַל־ not Adv
309 [e] tə-’a-ḥêr תְּאַחֵר֙ do defer Verb
7999 [e] lə-šal-lə-mōw, לְשַׁלְּמ֔וֹ in paying Verb
3588 [e] kî כִּ֛י for Conj
369 [e] ’ên אֵ֥ין not Prt
2656 [e] ḥê-p̄eṣ חֵ֖פֶץ [he hath] pleasure Noun
3684 [e] bak-kə-sî-lîm; בַּכְּסִילִ֑ים in fools Noun
853 [e] ’êṯ אֵ֥ת - Acc
834 [e] ’ă-šer- אֲשֶׁר־ that which Prt
5087 [e] tid-dōr תִּדֹּ֖ר you have vowed Verb
7999 [e] šal-lêm. שַׁלֵּֽם׃ pay Verb

Well, the original intent of that Bible is to cater to er ... poorer English speaker.

My humble opinion is to also get a more literal translation.

One example where it is kinda scary for first read:

Romans 8:3 What the Law could not do, because human nature was weak, God did. He condemned sin in human nature by sending his own Son, who came with a nature like our sinful nature, to do away with sin.

Versus

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

At first read, you will think the Son has sinful nature like us. That will be terrible

Yup. +1

Any female Christian here. I hardly fellowship in my church and hope to know single Christian female here and become friend.

The only ones active in this thread are Sophiera and Tinarhian

They both are in a relationship but still single I guess.

Renewal Lutheran Church

Dear All,

I have been informed that renewal lutheran church is preaching grace messages, similar to new creation church. Both church related somehow to Joseph Prince.

The church website is below,
http://www.oasisofcare.org/

address in Petaling Jaya near templar street. If you know Naza car dealer in Lebuhraya persekutuan, then it's there.

If me and my bf live nearer (read: not Netherlands) we would be engaged de.

Alas paperwork, money and distance making that difficult.

Also today is also one of those days that I manage to go church. Started with motion sickness OTL

Each time I do arrive I syukur.jpg because most of the time I always ada masalah with something.