Well if the gospel works, then it is not a myth. Our God does not leave us in the dark clueless in the sense that Christianity is just "talks and mere words".

1 Corinthians 4:20 (NIV) - For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.

What this means is that the power of God working through his believer is the testimony of the reality of God. And there are millions Christians around the world who can testify this as well as me.

Actually your interpretation was quite similar as how I interpreted when I first read the Bible, you don't have to challenge me to follow you because I've been there and I know it's wrong. Why I say it's wrong because God did not conform to his word, meaning to answer me when I understood it like that (wrong). lol. Funny.



Well if my special position is self imposed then it would be delusional. But as it is, it is God himself who set us apart as according to his word in the Bible. Any person who willingly follow Christ and accepts Him as Savior, belongs to God. Set apart to God means one who do not belong to the power or system of this world anymore.

Really? Many centuries ago, what is wrong and what is right is very clear cut. But today, it is the reverse. What is wrong has been diluted and sugar coated to make it look right. This is the standard of the world you live in now. Just look at your example above, even you can say heaven is bad. You don't even know you have become part of this world's system train of of thoughts that corrupts, pervert and reverse all that is right. Doesn't matter if Heaven is real to you or not. But look at the way you think. And you want to restore me back to that world? Don't think I'm interested. This world is a fallen world, there's no redemption, it will be destroyed.

And Jesus says no one can snatch his children out of his hands that would include you.



I see no reason for you to miss me or pick me. I'm nothing special as you have said it. I did not call you, but you came to me. I'm not the type who forces anyone to believe in my Faith. Heck I didn't even try to find you to preach the gospel. But as it is, you are the one who came in here, so I stand my ground.

Subconsciously perhaps you didn't know that you are empty inside, perhaps inside of you there is a deep void that's driving you to fill it. Perhaps, you've also done many things in your life and yet the empty void is still there.
Subconsciously perhaps you are just looking for God.

It is pointless for you to follow me, I can offer you nothing to fill in that void. Only Jesus can do that.

I don't think there's any questions that's unresolved, it's only you refuse to accept the answers given.


No, it's not an argument. That is the answer.

Look, your interpretation will never be correct because you cherry pick here and there, as it is, it's not consistent with the Bible as a whole.




No, the dying thief account is very clear, it is not ambiguous. God put it in there because He know there will be people like you trying to pervert the Gospel back the old covenant of self effort and works. How much can a dying thief do on the cross? Practically nothing, He is at the point of death.

It's in the book of Acts, when Paul preached to the Jailer's Family.

Yes Zacchaeus account was the exact contrast to the Young Rich Ruler Account. The young Rich ruler came to Jesus with the Law, asking what must he do, When Jesus gave him the Law back, He could hardly give up 1 cent.
whereas Zacchaeus asked nothing of that sort NO LAWS given but simply and gladly receive Jesus's invitation to be at his house. Jesus talked with Zacchaeus at his home. I believe Jesus imparted his Grace to Zacchaeus to believe in Him. How do I know this? Because Jesus declared Zacchaeus is a son of Abraham. Let Bible interpret Bible. What is the meaning "Son of Abraham"?

Galatians 3:7 (NIV) - Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham.

Notice that Jesus talked to Zacchaeus first because He gave up his possession and it is impartation of Grace not the Law. (John 1:17) Under God's Grace, Zacchaeus imparted almost all his wealth.




Ha, correct! Read it in context, What it means to being Dead to Sin and Alive in Christ. What does the condition mean.

Go back earlier before verse 11. In verse 11 , it says there "In the same way", count yourself dead to sin. So the question to ask is, count ourselves dead to sin in the same way of what? What does it mean?

Read Romans 6:1- (NIV)

1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,a that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.

8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

Look at verse 9 and 10. If you understand what it means, it will help understand the rest of the verse even from verse 1.

Keyword is, Christ was raised from the dead, He cannot die again. What does this means? It means that Father God accepts the suffering of Christ for the atonement of all our sins. If there are some sins left unpunished, God cannot raise Jesus from the dead.

Verse 10 says Christ died to Sin once and for all, means that Christ did a perfect work on the Cross of Calvary putting away all our sins. He now live for God. Again this is worth repeating. If there are some Sin left, Jesus cannot be resurrected because it wasn't a complete Work on the cross.

Then in verse 11, it says in the same way, count yourself dead to sin, meaning all the sin have been put away. It is dead in the body of Christ. But Alive to God because of Christ.

You must understand that Christ have no Sin, He was born sinless. Then how is it that Christ died to Sin in that case? The answer is, He took our Sins away and put it upon him. He died to our sins. He has no sin to die for of his own. Because of what Christ did, We are set Free. There is no more sin stain in the believer's life. That is why the Bible call us Saints. It is our new position. That is why God credit us via the righteousness of Faith and not deeds.

That is what God wants us to count in the same way as in verse 11.


Read it in context

Hebrews 12:14 (NIV) - Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

The keyword here is without Holiness, no man shall see God. What was it talking about?

Read the whole passage:

God Disciplines His Children

4 In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5 And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says,

“My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline,
and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
6 because the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”a
7 Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? 8If you are not disciplined—and everyone undergoes discipline—then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. 9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! 10 They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness. 11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

12 Therefore, strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees. 13“Make level paths for your feet,”b so that the lame may not be disabled, but rather healed.

The answer is in verse 10.

10 They (meaning earthly father) disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness.

It's talking about God "training" us or you can say preparing us to Live in Heaven's lifestyle. It is not easy because all the while we lived by the corrupted system of the world. lol.
Does it mean we're still trying to qualify to enter Heaven? The answer is no. And God even remind us this in verse 5; "Don't forget that you are already Children of God".

Nothing to do with "self Effort" in training in order to be free from the Law.


No, Read 1 Corinthians 11:28-32 carefully. What is the context of eating the Holy Communion unworthily?

The Answer is here.

1 Corinthians 11:29 (NIV) - For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.

Without discerning the body of Christ means when one eat the Holy Communion without recognizing the work of Christ at the cross, why he died.

See the context again. Those people came in eating and drinking as if it's a lunch/dinner party.

Read here.


20 So then, when you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat, 21 for when you are eating, some of you go ahead with your own private suppers. As a result, one person remains hungry and another gets drunk. 22 Don’t you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God by humiliating those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you? Certainly not in this matter!

They took the food and eat just like that.


Question 1 - Because God only revealed the righteousness of Faith under the New Covenant in the New Testament? If you're asking then how did the Old Patriarch all got saved? What I've been telling you all long?

GRACE?










Er Duh? If they come back to Christ, they will be saved also? lol? What's wrong with you?

Did you read or not? This apostasy means when one understand that Christ is the only way and yet rejects Him, then there is no more other Sacrifice. That is what it means.

From my experience people usually leave Christianity because of they never really understood the Bible. And really, the way you interpreted, I will also leave ler, don't say other people.
You know why? You're not saying what God is saying. I know without a shadow of doubt, God want us to have full assurance of the Salvation that He gives. The Law cannot give us that assurance. Why? Because it depends on our performance. As I told you before, Jesus won't come if the Law is able to save us.



Yes the key is to understand but not through Man's understanding. It has to come as imparted from God's Spirit because the words in the Bible originated from Him.

And yet I need to know what you mean by dishonoring the ones with weaker Faith, you talking about people from other religion or from within Christian community? Lets be clear now. Don't quote I heard this from so and so.
Have you seen it? You don't even go Church consistently and know the whole story, am I not right?


That would make it even easier to debunk.
There's no denomination in my book. Only Christian.


Yes please do.

Yes also in one of my devotion.

It has to do with Law vs Grace. Just understand from that POV.

I can believe, You'll swing whatever just to win argument.

No, you were asking how come good works wasn't embedded in them? It has nothing to do with Salvation. Don't confuse yourself.

John 15:5 (NIV) - "I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.

Without Christ, sinner's tendency toward destructive behavior is binding.

Well the problem is that this scientific scrutiny at most is just Arguing on the internet on your part. In case you didn't catch the meaning, google keyboard Warrior.


Don't think so.

The underline is to explain to you; that you want to but the flesh (corrupted nature) is holding you back. And the Bible also underline the solution to this is still a "who".


That is what you say but not what the Bible says.

This is what the Bible says:

James 2:10 (NIV) - For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Why? All of the sudden, feeling the heat of the law yourself?


Don't think so.


Hebrews 13:8 (NIV) - Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.



Despite of their disobedience, God still hold out his hands to them.
Their status as God's Chosen people was granted because of God's Will. Not because they qualify. They never did.
Your point is still moot.



For the hundredth time; there's no probably and there are no other different versions.
Grace and Faith are the main constitute. Don't change the Bible, thank you.


So what have you learn by this? Isn't this what I've been teaching?
The OT Law was given to cause Man to come to the end of themselves. Don't you understand this despite me repeating this so many time?

The Law was given So that Man understand that He cannot. God wanted to go by the basis of Faith and his Grace all the while. So why Did He give the Law then?
The answer is: to show us that we have sin. Otherwise Man in their vanity and pride will say there's no sin. You know why? because Man is just stubborn, they think they can. Even today many does, Like you for example.

Even though the OT patriarch was not given the full revelation of God's Grace but yet they were still saved via their Faith shows that we indeed have a good and loving God who is more than wiling than people are save rather than be trap by the devil into eternal damnation.



Try it on your enemies. All I know is, talk is easy. Making any claims is easy. When you actually want to do it, that's something only God knows.
Even the very notion of you coming in here.



Because Love is matter expressing who we are as Christian while Faith is the pre-requite of Salvation?
Please understand this in the context of believers? Not trying lump it to yourself as unbeliever?





The effort in self reliance has nothing much to do with God.

So when you say it take self effort to increase Faith in God does not make sense.

But when the dependency and trust is fully and wholly on the word of Christ, And when God responds, Faith in God comes and increases as time goes by.

You probably did not know that Faith is also a gift of the spirit. I'm not making this any easier for you isn't it?


Depends on who is reading it. Earlier I have made this statement. If you're an unbeliever, the words of the Bible will be offensive to you in every way and looks like I'm right.
If you don't believe in the Bible and God, it does not matter to me. I find it even weirder that you try so hard to use scripture at all, the irony. Do you even know what you're doing when you come in here?
The Trinity is the central core doctrine of Christianity! For without it, it is not Christianity.

Well it's always the case, when all your attacking point are addressed, you'll just turn to the usual "Bible discrepancies", "science scrutiny' and what not.